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Oxyclean posted:it's always projection. Like no one in conservative circles does this. Maybe you are latching on to the odd bot or loony that spews nonsense on social media and that distorts your view. Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). The vast majority of conservative voters hate taxes and fees, want cops to maintain law and order, and want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion every time a sensitive issue overlaps in some way with policy objectives. Specifically, the use of race-based politics to wedge minority/PoC voters away from the Harper coalition (when the ethnic support was in the 40% mark) remains a sore point and it doesn't help that nutjobs continually derail the attempt.
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Jan 26, 2024 05:06
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MikeC posted:Like no one in conservative circles does this. Yes they do. It's not even debatable.
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Jan 26, 2024 05:14
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The only thing Harper courted in minority voters was the ability to say "ladder pull" in eleven different languages. quote:hate taxes and fees More correctly, they hate the taxes and fees that don't benefit them directly, especially if they pay for ways for people who need equity to get it. Anything that doesn't directly promote the promise of lifelong free poo poo paid for with the suffering of a permanent underclass, they oppose, because their priorities do not extend beyond themselves. quote:don't care about white power quote:want cops to maintain law and order Which is it? quote:want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion Pictured: The initiation of the use of identity politics to drown out discussion:  If being internally consistent and being consistent with the facts are hard to do at the same time, maybe try doing only one at a time. flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 05:21 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Jan 26, 2024 05:16
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Jordan7hm posted:There is an entire department focused on providing IT services to the government of Canada. Go read up on what the rest of the government thinks about them for an idea of how it would go. On top of that, the consolidation of IT into shared services was initially a Harper "efficiency" thing. So you can guess how well resourced it ended up. And, the fed Gov does so many different kinds of operations that it's not like a big company, or even a conglomerate. There is a lot of complexity in making sure the system would work for so many different purposes.
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Jan 26, 2024 05:17
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COPE 27 posted:Stephen Harper was the only PM in the closet. You forget MacKenzie King......
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Jan 26, 2024 05:21
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bunnyofdoom posted:You forget MacKenzie King...... Did he make his backbenchers defend him to the death also?
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Jan 26, 2024 05:47
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I will surely take your word for it instead of trusting my lying swarthy eyes and ears. gently caress you.
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Jan 26, 2024 05:58
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MikeC posted:Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). drat, my hearing must be more hosed up than I thought because every time I'm at dinner with my boomer mother and her boomer friends their humour sounds like it almost entirely comes from questioning heterosexuality and attacking pronouns and immigrants.
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Jan 26, 2024 08:07
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Congrats on all your dinners with racist homophobes
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Jan 26, 2024 08:25
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She also hates Danielle Smith so it's my slow war of attrition to sway a vote towards the ANDP Ż\_(ツ)_/Ż The one time some loudmouth blowhard showed up without my knowledge and immediately slapped down some small-town one-page newsletter alleging the liberals were controlling the weather was also sort of entertaining, I guess.
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Jan 26, 2024 08:50
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Wistful of Dollars posted:I'm pretty sure this is what hell looks like This post is giving me anxiety
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Jan 26, 2024 11:17
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MikeC posted:Like no one in conservative circles does this. Maybe you are latching on to the odd bot or loony that spews nonsense on social media and that distorts your view. Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). The vast majority of conservative voters hate taxes and fees, want cops to maintain law and order, and want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion every time a sensitive issue overlaps in some way with policy objectives. Specifically, the use of race-based politics to wedge minority/PoC voters away from the Harper coalition (when the ethnic support was in the 40% mark) remains a sore point and it doesn't help that nutjobs continually derail the attempt. gently caress back off to Reddit with all your other CHUD buddies, you gross freak. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 26, 2024 13:52
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MikeC posted:Regular, reliable conservative voters, The vast majority of conservative voters "you don't know them, they go to another school,"
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Jan 26, 2024 14:09
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MikeC posted:Like no one in conservative circles does this. Maybe you are latching on to the odd bot or loony that spews nonsense on social media and that distorts your view. Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). The vast majority of conservative voters hate taxes and fees, want cops to maintain law and order, and want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion every time a sensitive issue overlaps in some way with policy objectives. Specifically, the use of race-based politics to wedge minority/PoC voters away from the Harper coalition (when the ethnic support was in the 40% mark) remains a sore point and it doesn't help that nutjobs continually derail the attempt. Sometimes I wonder how you come up with your delusions. The people you describe exist, they are the same people we are describing. They use the same references to "identity politics" that you've just done to hide their beliefs. By the way, what's an "ethnic" Fidelitious fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Jan 26, 2024 14:45
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I think MikeC is roughly me, but a long time ago. And I mean, it's true that a lot of Conservative voters are as he describes. The issue is that they lack the capacity to influence any of the parties to do what they want, and the crazies are having much more success. All the Con voters in Calgary, most of whom disapproved of Kenney's nonsense and Smith's nonsense and so forth, were fed a line of bullshit that she wouldn't actually be a lunatic once in office, and of course they bought the bullshit and were dreadfully wrong. That makes them stupid and credulous, but it doesn't mean that they actually support what she's doing.
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Jan 26, 2024 15:08
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No, it makes them support what she was doing at the time, which was still blatantly stupid and evil. Anyone who votes for any Conservative party for any reason is blatantly stupid and evil, because at this point they've all gone mask-off (hah!) and shown the voting public what they are, which is petty, evil, vindictive, and cruel. There is no such thing as a good or principled conservative voter and if someone tries to tell you that they are, then they are lying to you and probably themselves.
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Jan 26, 2024 15:15
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On a completely unrelated note, Kenneth Law is being charged with first-degree murder: https://www.thestar.com/news/ontari...c7f3178941.html this could be an interesting case in terms of civil? criminal? human? rights these days. is it morally different in canada now to provide the instruments of suicide instead of doing it through MAID now that depression is gonna be grounds for euthanasia? I can see this case getting real sticky, real quick.
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Jan 26, 2024 15:34
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The two Conservatives at my work both grew up in Warsaw Pact countries and came as refugees to Canada, so for them the "no communism ever" line from the Conservatives absolutely wins out over any of the other policies the party espouses. While I don't agree at all with that way of thinking, I can at least understand it. What I can't understand is how people born in Canada who don't have their brains addled by religious hatred can see the Conservatives and think "Yeah, these are the people I want running the country."
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Jan 26, 2024 15:38
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They're generally either moneyed assholes who directly benefit from the exploitation of others, or are lissancephalic dipshits too stupid to realize they fall under that second column.
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Jan 26, 2024 15:44
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don't discount direct lengthy bouts of lead poisoning or being parented by lead poison brained people
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Jan 26, 2024 15:50
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Arivia posted:On a completely unrelated note, Kenneth Law is being charged with first-degree murder: https://www.thestar.com/news/ontari...c7f3178941.html Considering you can buy bags of Sodium Nitrite at Bass Pro Shop (or at least you could recently - maybe they've pulled it off the shelf now) and lots of other retailers, so once the criminal case is done, it'll be interesting to see what'll happen for the civil suits. There's no restrictions on selling it in the states, so the US based companies never stop it up here from getting stocked especially if it gets relabeled as "curing salt". Edit: $25/kg on amazon, same day delivery. Edit2: Lol, holy poo poo, the guy was selling 100% pure Nitrite - curing salts are generally ~6.5% (obv you can still die, just need more) unknown fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jan 26, 2024 |
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Jan 26, 2024 15:57
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MikeC posted:Like no one in conservative circles does this. Maybe you are latching on to the odd bot or loony that spews nonsense on social media and that distorts your view. Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). The vast majority of conservative voters hate taxes and fees, want cops to maintain law and order, and want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion every time a sensitive issue overlaps in some way with policy objectives. Specifically, the use of race-based politics to wedge minority/PoC voters away from the Harper coalition (when the ethnic support was in the 40% mark) remains a sore point and it doesn't help that nutjobs continually derail the attempt. Adding my lol to the list of lols. Had to throw in nutjobs at the end huh. I don't know how you look at the last 25 years of the conservative landscape and type this paragraph with anything remotely resembling good faith.
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Jan 26, 2024 16:05
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The CPC and UCP are existential threats to human life and should be treated accordingly. You'd think the boomers would be furiously yelling about how back in their day they used to have a white Christmas and how dare these people steal IDK snowball fights and sledding from ARE GRANDCHILDREN but instead they look at the party that is actively worsening climate change, nod sagely to themselves, and mark their ballots for the worst regressives this country has ever seen because they want to make life unpleasant for queers / browns / the poor.
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Jan 26, 2024 16:17
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Chair In A Basket posted:This post is giving me anxiety Don’t go to hell and you’ll be fine
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Jan 26, 2024 16:32
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Conservatives say facts don't care about your feelings and routinely deride "emotional" liberalism over "rational" conservatism, but the important alchemy in conservative thought is that their feelings ARE facts as far as they are concerned. "1+1=2" is a fact (for the purposes of this argument, ignoring other base-number systems like binary) "Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister in history" is an opinion. You can use facts to back up an opinion. "Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister in history because: he invoked the Emergencies Act; he broke ethics rules; he did blackface in the past." There are factual things about Justin Trudeau that you could use as evidence for your opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion a fact. However, in contemporary conservative thought, it is a fact. "Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister in history" is a fact to them. It's elementary. It's 1+1=2. There's no debating it. It's true because they believe it and they believe it because it's true. That's part of the reason they hate the mainstream media so much. The media never says "Justin Trudeau is the worst prime minister in history" like a fact because it's not a fact, it's an opinion. It's not reportable as a fact, but since conservatives believe it's a fact, they see the failure to repeat their beliefs back to them as facts through the trusted, fact-based news media as a sign that something is wrong. Not with them, obviously, conservatives are never wrong, but with the entire media establishment. Fortunately, enterprising businessmen have established entire media ecosystems to coddle the fact-afflicted mind with comforting words and the appropriate cruelty towards the Others who are ruining the world. Now, on "law and order." The COVID-19 pandemic can provide interesting insight on what "law and order" means in contemporary conservative thought. Remember that conservatism is the philosophy that some people are inherently better than others. This is borne out through the application of legal force. Police exist to protect the betters and oppress the lessers. That is the social order. However, when COVID-19 came about, and governments passed laws to protect vulnerable people — particularly the elderly, the immunocompromised, and the poor — it upset the social order. These were laws. Surely the law-abiding should have obeyed them. But suddenly, the betters were being asked to obey laws that inconvenienced them and were being punished for failing to obey. That is not how it should be. The Freedom Convoy was the culmination of that national temper tantrum against the upending of the proper social order. The pandemic was the first time in many participants' lives that they'd ever been told by authorities that they were wrong. They couldn't handle it. Fortunately for them, and unfortunately for the rest of us (and this may be an unpopular opinion), they won. Public health mandates are gone. The virus is still spreading and killing, but we've all just accepted it. No government with memory of this will ever enact public health measures to that scale ever again, lest they awaken similar protestation. Should another deadly virus begin spreading within modern memory, we will just have to let it kill us so as not to upset the social order. After all, isn't is "survival of the fittest"?
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Jan 26, 2024 18:04
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MikeC posted:Like no one in conservative circles does this. Maybe you are latching on to the odd bot or loony that spews nonsense on social media and that distorts your view. Regular, reliable conservative voters don't care about half the poo poo that you think they care about (LGBTQ rights, 'manliness', white power, etc). The vast majority of conservative voters hate taxes and fees, want cops to maintain law and order, and want an end to the constant use of identity politics to drown out discussion every time a sensitive issue overlaps in some way with policy objectives. Specifically, the use of race-based politics to wedge minority/PoC voters away from the Harper coalition (when the ethnic support was in the 40% mark) remains a sore point and it doesn't help that nutjobs continually derail the attempt. You'll have to explain the popularity of big name conservatives like Tucker Carlson and Ben Shaprio then, because among many others they LOVE to sling insults of how democrats/wokeness are eroding the notion masculinity. Like this is literally coming off of Tucker Carlson implying Trudeau is gay/effeminate. Their base love this poo poo. These aren't "odd bots" or "occasional loonies" - identity politics poo poo is absolutely a factor, it might not be a #1 priority for the average con voter, but it sure as hell feels like there's plenty eating up the "wokeness has gone too far" BS. I also think there's a fair amount of con voters who say they don't care about identity politics, but really just have enough sense to not say the quiet part out loud (but kind of wish they did.)
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Jan 26, 2024 19:07
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Getting into some real my silent majority is more the majority than your silent majority
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Jan 26, 2024 19:51
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My wife who still follows my friends brothers ex-wife for some morbid reason posts all the insane Conservative poo poo along with her relatives. Just the other day some business owner got bottled and died and their cousin posted, "its only gonna get worse with socialist NDP in charge of manitoba!" These people are too far gone and hosed up. Wab has barely been in power and he was supposed to snap his fingers to make crime poof? Covid broke Conservative brains along with Trump - gently caress em all.
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Jan 26, 2024 19:55
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MikeC posted:Nonsense Y'all keep quoting their post as if its worth rereading. Hey mike, try being visibly queer and/or masking up in public if you want to hear some conservative opinions.
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Jan 26, 2024 19:55
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HackensackBackpack posted:Conservatives say facts don't care about your feelings and routinely deride "emotional" liberalism over "rational" conservatism, but the important alchemy in conservative thought is that their feelings ARE facts as far as they are concerned. This is like the second level on the galaxy brain chart. Level one: Facts are not feelings [90s Conservative] Level two: My feelings are facts [Trump/PP voter] Level three: OTHER PEOPLE'S FEELINGS are facts [progressive]
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Jan 26, 2024 19:56
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I guess just to show how broken brained some of these people can be, BMO terminated 6 junior bankers last week (fired 4 and allowed 2 others to resign). They were harassing a gay coworker both in person and over email, text messages, and Microsoft Teams chat. This was all done using corporate devices. The harassed employee reported it to HR within a few days of it starting and HR terminated all of them within a week. Talking to some people I know at BMO the employees that were terminated were all big Ontario/Canada Strong/Proud guys who were always emailing around "watch Trudeau get owned by Ben Shapiro" type memes. Most people just rolled their eyes at them but didn't think they'd be dumb enough to do what they did. Also, a couple of them tried to use "free speech" as a defence when they were fired.
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Jan 26, 2024 20:06
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HackensackBackpack posted:The COVID-19 pandemic can provide interesting insight on what "law and order" means in contemporary conservative thought. I think this touches on one of the major things that makes me so angry at the pushback over vaccine mandates. An interesting phenomenon has been observed that there was a minority of people whose mental health actually improved during the pandemic, largely people with things like certain anxiety disorders, who are socially withdrawn or are otherwise already inclined to the type of lifestyles that were necessitated by lockdown. I know I was one of those people: I've long struggled with anxiety, OCD, being incredibly introverted and being generally germaphobic and the lockdown measures actually made me feel much better about my struggles with mental health because it no longer felt like asking for accommodation would get me stigmatized by other people to the same degree: I wouldn't have to worry about seeming rude if I didn't want to have someone right up in my personal space, systems were being put in place so working from home was not only possible but the norm, everything slowed down a bit and I could catch my breath. Obviously this couldn't be a permanent state of affairs, but it was comforting to see society make actual changes that would accommodate my particular mental health struggles that could theoretically continue in some form past the pandemic. And then the pushback and the convoy protests started. For some people these acts of accommodation were too far, they howled and gnashed their teeth over the unbelievable inconvenience imposed by their default mode of being not being the unspoken norm to which all others must conform not being represented in all of our social systems. And all I could think was "You fuckers couldn't handle two years of this? Try having that be your entire life!".
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Jan 26, 2024 20:12
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There was also the complete dehumanization of retail workers during masking mandates. Hearing countless stories of "Put on your mask" "But there is no one else here" No small part of the outrage was probably due to their "lessers" telling them what to do.
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Jan 26, 2024 21:06
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apatheticman posted:There was also the complete dehumanization of retail workers during masking mandates. I keep saying public-facing workers should be legally allowed ro punch 3 customers a day. Feel like being an rear end in a top hat to some poor cashier or clerk, roll the dice on if they want to use one of their three punches on you.
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Jan 26, 2024 21:13
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The health measures were going away before the protests happened It's like if I took credit for the sun coming up tomorrow after doing my special prayer at night
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Jan 26, 2024 22:14
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(also it wasnt a federal responsibility to enact those measures beyond border crossings and interprovincial travel)
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Jan 26, 2024 22:21
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It’s weird being told that the whole category of annoying, obnoxious conservative people are made up in our heads when at least my lived experience has been when interacting with any self proclaimed conservatives they can literally never shut the gently caress up about how they’re transing the kids/how feminists are undermining the family unit/vaccine bullshit/ Trudeau is a tyrant etc. Like to the point that several of my friends actually can’t keep relationships with their boomer dads. They are literally unable to ask their kids what they’re up to these days or even catch up because they instantly veer off into these topics, even with the kids repeatedly requesting to not get political. In my experience the “silent majority” are in fact Liberal party voters who are just pro status-quo, think minority rights are ok as long as no one gets too uppity and that the most offensive thing about poverty is seeing people experience it. There is absolutely nothing “silent” about conservatives today. What world do you live in ???
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Jan 27, 2024 00:35
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"Them hippies is gonna trans all our kids" "Uncle Bob can you fuckin not?" "Hey now let's not get all political" Since when did the right of people to exist become a poli... t..... yeah ok i just heard it But you know what I mean, right? Like, gently caress.
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Jan 27, 2024 01:38
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apatheticman posted:(also it wasnt a federal responsibility to enact those measures beyond border crossings and interprovincial travel) (or on the other side of border crossings, which is what they were the angriest about)
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ARACHTION posted:It’s weird being told that the whole category of annoying, obnoxious conservative people are made up in our heads when at least my lived experience has been when interacting with any self proclaimed conservatives they can literally never shut the gently caress up about how they’re transing the kids/how feminists are undermining the family unit/vaccine bullshit/ Trudeau is a tyrant etc. If Red Tories still exist they call themselves Liberals now. The CPC has gone completely around the bend and if you're wearing that badge, you're wearing everything that comes with it.
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