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Yeah I get the sense Zoss sees the stagnant period ending with “entire cosmos dies” and considers that worth spinning the wheel and laughing at God. Jagganoth is just a reliable way it ends, increasingly powerful as a result of his place as an increasingly constant constant. “Metatron sets up a no-win scenario” seems extremely plausible.
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:19 |
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# ? Jun 13, 2024 05:47 |
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1) The heir goes to see Metatron 2) Metatron offers them the throne 3) ????? 4) Zoss resets the universe
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:26 |
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the holy poopacy posted:I suspect it's something like this, where Zoss technically is the one with his finger on the button and Metatron is devoted to setting up no-win scenarios for Zoss. Yeah, that's an interesting twist. For the first few (dozen? Hundred? Million?) cycles, Gog-Agog won. Jagganoth was (maybe) a response to stop Gog-Agog. Or maybe Gog-Agog lets herself be "beaten" because she knows the reset is coming regardless of who "wins"? Regardless, the important part is that she says "the very beginning is lost to me". I think the key to all of this is there.
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:31 |
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Come to think of it Gog's monologue might help make sense of the various versions we've heard. If the loop doesn't always go the same way then everyone's conflicting stories might be true--they're all just remembering different cycles and assuming that the rest of it all looks the same.
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:35 |
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Yeah, that's an interesting twist. For the first few (dozen? Hundred? Million?) cycles, Gog-Agog won. Jagganoth was (maybe) a response to stop Gog-Agog. Or maybe Gog-Agog lets herself be "beaten" because she knows the reset is coming regardless of who "wins"? I think that if Gog-Agog were truly resigned to the situation never changing, to the reset being inevitable, she wouldn't be devoting her entire existence to keeping a record of the cycles? Like there's a tiny kernel of hope inside that deeply cynical clown. It's important to her that the beginning is lost to her, like, she cares about that missing piece of the puzzle. She's just been burned over and over and over.
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FuturePastNow posted:I think that if Gog-Agog were truly resigned to the situation never changing, to the reset being inevitable, she wouldn't be devoting her entire existence to keeping a record of the cycles? Like there's a tiny kernel of hope inside that deeply cynical clown. It's important to her that the beginning is lost to her, like, she cares about that missing piece of the puzzle. She's just been burned over and over and over. That's entirely possible, and her interactions with Allison seem to indicate that. Would she be telling Allison all this without a reason? She fuckin' got SERIOUS. That's a big drat deal, and she has to have a reason for it, an earnest one. As an aside, I noticed some similarities between Gog-Agog's design and the Devil's Machine that holds Giygas at the end of Earthbound. Probably doesn't mean anything, and it's likely just similar influences (H.R. Gieger, namely), but I thought it was cool.
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:39 |
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I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out Gog a geigue
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:41 |
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Ignorance is bliss, and Gog has very consciously chosen the hell of knowing what's happening to the universe. So did Jadis, but Jadis can never return to ignorance, while Gog could if she wished by not preserving her memory through a reset. I think there's something going on there.
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# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:52 |
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If Gog really had no hope she wouldn't be so mad.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:06 |
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FuturePastNow posted:Ignorance is bliss, and Gog has very consciously chosen the hell of knowing what's happening to the universe. So did Jadis, but Jadis can never return to ignorance, while Gog could if she wished by not preserving her memory through a reset. I think there's something going on there. If Gog forgot, she'd have to let go of her grudge (because she'd necessarily forget why she was mad). She's too pure of a spite elemental to ever do that.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:12 |
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I think she WANTS to remember. If she forgot, she wouldn't have the information she needs to survive.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:34 |
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Joe Slowboat posted:Allison saw the Shape (briefly, not fully) and it was just a big sign that said “she’s right, you know” all this time I thought it was supposed to say "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE".
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 01:18 |
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RocketMermaid posted:all this time I thought it was supposed to say "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE". All these cycles have been Zoss going through every sapient creature in the universe and giving them the Master Key. But, and he's a stickler for this, he's been doing it in Alphabetic order. He has made it to the AL's.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 01:37 |
Horace Kinch posted:But did she see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch? NOTHING ...time for breakfast I guess
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Mr. Lobe posted:I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out its coming in on the horizon, from all directions!
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:12 |
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Bilirubin posted:its coming in on the horizon, from all directions! Like Dolby surround sound but infinite nut shots.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:16 |
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I really hope the core stagnation of Gog is that she can't be the Original Gog anymore because she's so loaded down with her memory of having been that cool. Like she's not that person anymore, she wants to be treated like that person but... she's a worm-beast who consumes people and offers nothing but cynical japery. If she could let go of her memories she could potentially be that Gog again, but she'd have to give up the certainty of her resentment.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:22 |
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Mr. Lobe posted:I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out Googer geiger??
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:29 |
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Leave Pom Pom alone, they already have anxiety and they’re trying their best.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:41 |
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One More Fat Nerd posted:All these cycles have been Zoss going through every sapient creature in the universe and giving them the Master Key. But, and he's a stickler for this, he's been doing it in Alphabetic order. He has made it to the AL's. Good think AL comes before AM.
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 08:27 |
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If Allison really was a mistake he's made it all the way to the Zs, he's nearly up to Zoss and just doing it himself
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 12:59 |
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darthbob88 posted:Here's the link from the alt-text, BTW. Solomon: Stop that fish!
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# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:11 |
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Solomon is backseat gaming and desperately trying to tell White Chain that she can in fact parry the giant fish. Will he succeed, or will White Chain continue to be a C-rank scrub?
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# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:52 |
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Doktor, turn off my dumbass inhibitors!
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# ? Jan 28, 2024 11:30 |
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It's time for White Chain... to let er rip!
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:01 |
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Whirling posted:Solomon is backseat gaming and desperately trying to tell White Chain that she can in fact parry the giant fish. Will he succeed, or will White Chain continue to be a C-rank scrub? "DOOOOOODGE!"
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:33 |
If you can dodge a fish you can dodge a ball.
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:49 |
Which reminds me how much money I'd pay for an official 20 page Slam 6 Billion Dunks AU.
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:49 |
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the question meti asks that utterly breaks maya's will: "hey, you, what you gonna do?"
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 01:03 |
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Quad-City DJs vs The Jaggahog
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 02:27 |
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I've been too busy to keep up with the thread but I really miss the bball edits
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 10:09 |
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Shoehead posted:I've been too busy to keep up with the thread but I really miss the bball edits sorry, it's all about fishing now
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 10:12 |
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I believe angels are like dogs and they just sort of do things arbitrarily
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 12:56 |
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Catgirl Al Capone posted:I believe angels are like dogs and they just sort of do things arbitrarily and like dogs, there's nothing in the rules to say they can't play basketball
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 15:15 |
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Do you want a Chaos Dunk? That’s how you get a Chaos Dunk.
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# ? Jan 29, 2024 16:14 |
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Of course we want a Chaos Dunk! .... what's the fishing version of a Chaos Dunk? Thyrork fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Thyrork posted:.... what's the fishing version of a Chaos Dunk? dynamite, but it's a nuke
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# ? Jan 30, 2024 12:34 |
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Thyrork posted:Of course we want a Chaos Dunk! Jecht perks up.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:sorry, it's all about fishing now Well if you want something done right
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