KILL SIX BILLION DEMONS: hell yeah, punch that fuckin fish

What is YISUN?
	Mother
	A lie we tell ourselves to have a purpose
	Bliss
	A paradox with no solution
	Father
	A strong female protagonist
	The weakest thing there is and the smallest crawling thing
	Creator
	Everything in this miserable and hellish existence
	A solution with no paradoxes

Joe Slowboat: Nov 9, 2016; Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements

Yeah I get the sense Zoss sees the stagnant period ending with �entire cosmos dies� and considers that worth spinning the wheel and laughing at God. Jagganoth is just a reliable way it ends, increasingly powerful as a result of his place as an increasingly constant constant.

�Metatron sets up a no-win scenario� seems extremely plausible.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:19

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# ? May 27, 2024 14:20

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

1) The heir goes to see Metatron

2) Metatron offers them the throne

3) ?????

4) Zoss resets the universe

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:26

Rotten Red Rod: Mar 5, 2002

the holy poopacy posted:

I suspect it's something like this, where Zoss technically is the one with his finger on the button and Metatron is devoted to setting up no-win scenarios for Zoss.

The exact shape of the failure state that prompts Zoss to reset is still indeterminate--Gog implied that it's not always Jagganoth ending everything.

Yeah, that's an interesting twist. For the first few (dozen? Hundred? Million?) cycles, Gog-Agog won. Jagganoth was (maybe) a response to stop Gog-Agog. Or maybe Gog-Agog lets herself be "beaten" because she knows the reset is coming regardless of who "wins"?

Regardless, the important part is that she says "the very beginning is lost to me". I think the key to all of this is there.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:31

the holy poopacy: May 16, 2009; hey! check this out; Fun Shoe

Come to think of it Gog's monologue might help make sense of the various versions we've heard. If the loop doesn't always go the same way then everyone's conflicting stories might be true--they're all just remembering different cycles and assuming that the rest of it all looks the same.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:35

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Yeah, that's an interesting twist. For the first few (dozen? Hundred? Million?) cycles, Gog-Agog won. Jagganoth was (maybe) a response to stop Gog-Agog. Or maybe Gog-Agog lets herself be "beaten" because she knows the reset is coming regardless of who "wins"?

Regardless, the important part is that she says "the very beginning is lost to me". I think the key to all of this is there.

I think that if Gog-Agog were truly resigned to the situation never changing, to the reset being inevitable, she wouldn't be devoting her entire existence to keeping a record of the cycles? Like there's a tiny kernel of hope inside that deeply cynical clown. It's important to her that the beginning is lost to her, like, she cares about that missing piece of the puzzle. She's just been burned over and over and over.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:35

Rotten Red Rod: Mar 5, 2002

FuturePastNow posted:

I think that if Gog-Agog were truly resigned to the situation never changing, to the reset being inevitable, she wouldn't be devoting her entire existence to keeping a record of the cycles? Like there's a tiny kernel of hope inside that deeply cynical clown. It's important to her that the beginning is lost to her, like, she cares about that missing piece of the puzzle. She's just been burned over and over and over.

That's entirely possible, and her interactions with Allison seem to indicate that. Would she be telling Allison all this without a reason? She fuckin' got SERIOUS. That's a big drat deal, and she has to have a reason for it, an earnest one.

As an aside, I noticed some similarities between Gog-Agog's design and the Devil's Machine that holds Giygas at the end of Earthbound. Probably doesn't mean anything, and it's likely just similar influences (H.R. Gieger, namely), but I thought it was cool.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:39

Mr. Lobe: Feb 23, 2007; ... Dry bones...

I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out

Gog a geigue

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:41

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

Ignorance is bliss, and Gog has very consciously chosen the hell of knowing what's happening to the universe. So did Jadis, but Jadis can never return to ignorance, while Gog could if she wished by not preserving her memory through a reset. I think there's something going on there.

# ? Jan 26, 2024 23:52

Gravitas Shortfall: Jul 17, 2007; Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.

If Gog really had no hope she wouldn't be so mad.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:06

Thundarr: Dec 24, 2002

FuturePastNow posted:

Ignorance is bliss, and Gog has very consciously chosen the hell of knowing what's happening to the universe. So did Jadis, but Jadis can never return to ignorance, while Gog could if she wished by not preserving her memory through a reset. I think there's something going on there.

If Gog forgot, she'd have to let go of her grudge (because she'd necessarily forget why she was mad). She's too pure of a spite elemental to ever do that.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:12

Rotten Red Rod: Mar 5, 2002

I think she WANTS to remember. If she forgot, she wouldn't have the information she needs to survive.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 00:34

RocketMermaid: Mar 30, 2004; My pronouns are She/Heir.

Joe Slowboat posted:

Allison saw the Shape (briefly, not fully) and it was just a big sign that said �she�s right, you know�

all this time I thought it was supposed to say "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE".

# ? Jan 27, 2024 01:18

One More Fat Nerd: Apr 13, 2007; Mama’s Lil’ Louie; Nap Ghost

RocketMermaid posted:

all this time I thought it was supposed to say "WE APOLOGIZE FOR THE INCONVENIENCE".

All these cycles have been Zoss going through every sapient creature in the universe and giving them the Master Key. But, and he's a stickler for this, he's been doing it in Alphabetic order. He has made it to the AL's.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 01:37

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Horace Kinch posted:

But did she see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

NOTHING

...time for breakfast I guess :yum:

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:02

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Mr. Lobe posted:

I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out

Gog a geigue

its coming in on the horizon, from all directions!

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:12

Elissimpark: May 20, 2010; Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

Bilirubin posted:

its coming in on the horizon, from all directions!

Like Dolby surround sound but infinite nut shots.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:16

Joe Slowboat: Nov 9, 2016; Higgledy-Piggledy Whale Statements

I really hope the core stagnation of Gog is that she can't be the Original Gog anymore because she's so loaded down with her memory of having been that cool.

Like she's not that person anymore, she wants to be treated like that person but... she's a worm-beast who consumes people and offers nothing but cynical japery.

If she could let go of her memories she could potentially be that Gog again, but she'd have to give up the certainty of her resentment.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:22

Phy: Jun 27, 2008; Fun Shoe

Mr. Lobe posted:

I bet it really is hard to grasp the true form of Gog Agog's attacks when she goes all out

Gog a geigue

Googer geiger??

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:29

Bussamove: Feb 25, 2006

Leave Pom Pom alone, they already have anxiety and they�re trying their best.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 02:41

pseudorandom name: May 6, 2007

One More Fat Nerd posted:

All these cycles have been Zoss going through every sapient creature in the universe and giving them the Master Key. But, and he's a stickler for this, he's been doing it in Alphabetic order. He has made it to the AL's.

Good think AL comes before AM.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 08:27

Magnus Manfist: Mar 10, 2013

If Allison really was a mistake he's made it all the way to the Zs, he's nearly up to Zoss and just doing it himself

# ? Jan 27, 2024 12:59

TwoPair: Mar 28, 2010; Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta; Grimey Drawer

darthbob88 posted:

Here's the link from the alt-text, BTW.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3472Q6kvg0

Solomon: Stop that fish!

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:11

Whirling: Feb 23, 2023

Solomon is backseat gaming and desperately trying to tell White Chain that she can in fact parry the giant fish. Will he succeed, or will White Chain continue to be a C-rank scrub?

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:52

Bussamove: Feb 25, 2006

Doktor, turn off my dumbass inhibitors!

# ? Jan 28, 2024 11:30

TwoPair: Mar 28, 2010; Pandamn It Feels Good To Be A Gangsta; Grimey Drawer

It's time for White Chain... to let er rip!

# ? Jan 28, 2024 23:44

Gravitas Shortfall: Jul 17, 2007; Utility is seven-eighths Proximity.

# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:01

paranoid randroid: Mar 4, 2007

Whirling posted:

Solomon is backseat gaming and desperately trying to tell White Chain that she can in fact parry the giant fish. Will he succeed, or will White Chain continue to be a C-rank scrub?

"DOOOOOODGE!"

# ? Jan 29, 2024 00:33