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Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

Thoguh has issued a correction as of 22:16 on Jan 27, 2024

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Vox Nihili posted:

They're owned by the same family of German billionaires

yeah it says that in the quote I posted above

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:16

BrotherJayne: Nov 28, 2019

anime was right posted:

economies of scale

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:19

In Training: Jun 28, 2008

webcams for christ posted:

this FT article made the rounds on CSPAM when it was published in December, rightly so:

showing China fully ascendant as the largest economy in the world, if one were to account to currencies, asset prices, and everything else accounted for in the IMF's measure of purchasing power. the difference is even starker if one were to look at kilowatt hours as a raw measure of human and economic activity

in a similar vein, Dylan Sullivan, Michail Moatsos & Jason Hickel published a new paper, "Capitalist reforms and extreme poverty in China: unprecedented progress or income deflation?" comparing nominal (though PPP-adjusted) World Bank measure of poverty versus a more specific measure, the OECD-approved "Basic Needs Poverty Line":

IMF "Dollar a Day" ($1.90 at 2011 PPP) Poverty vs.OECD subsistence basket measures of poverty in China:

and here is an international comparison of the substinance basket from '81 to '08:

the paper goes into detail to show that the substinance basket better correlates with other QoL indicators such as infant mortality, maternal mortality, and educational attainment, leading to these highlights from the discussion and conclusion:

obviously I don't agree with their final assessment, but it's fair to look at the very real human cost of Dengism. a painful tradeoff that seems to have been worth it

It seems like post 2016 ish theyve returned to the average standards of the pre-Reform era with the added benefit of being the most productive nation on the planet. drat. Deng ftw.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:24

Scarabrae: Oct 7, 2002

Thoguh posted:

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

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Mandel Brotset: Jan 1, 2024

Nonsense posted:

The economy is expanding, and you must expand with it

the goonilogical constant, dark calories

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:26

Heck Yes! Loam!: Nov 15, 2004; a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

Thoguh posted:

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

Healthcare!

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:26

SKULL.GIF: Jan 20, 2017

Thoguh posted:

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:27

Thoguh: Nov 8, 2002; College Slice

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

Healthcare!

Also means if it does turn out to cause your body to turn in to a giant cancer cell or something they won�t be able to sue the drug company because they aren�t actually taking the drug that was tested and approved and manufactured by the official source they are taking grey market versions of the active ingredient.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:31

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

webcams for christ posted:

this is honestly the only part of Obesity Discourse that gets me fired up lmao.

people seem to take it personally when you point out that their behavioral advice fails 95% of the time, even if the underlying thermodynamics and are factually "true"

we live in a society, folks

As an aside, years ago people got really salty when I pointed out that goons were able to accept that their poverty was due to to systemic factors, yet when it came to obesity they were full blown "personal responsibility" about it. You can apply the logic to both things - money in money out, calories in calories out. But they were more comfortable being judgmental about weight than poverty.

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webcams for christ: Nov 2, 2005

this will fall on deaf ears unfortunately (or deservedly, depending on your mood)

https://x.com/isabellamweber/status/1751238699780567375

Panfilo posted:

As qan aside, years ago people got really salty when I pointed out that goons were able to accept that their poverty was due to to systemic factors, yet when it came to obesity they were full blown "personal responsibility" about it. You can apply the logic to both things - money in money out, calories in calories out. But they were more comfortable being judgmental about weight than poverty.

it feels trite to point that out but some posters are impressively obtuse

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:52

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webcams for christ posted:

this will fall on deaf ears unfortunately (or deservedly, depending on your mood)

https://x.com/isabellamweber/status/1751238699780567375

it feels trite to point that out but some posters are impressively obtuse

Has anything bad ever happened when Germany's economy was being crushed by austerity and international debts causing furious, frustrated Germans begin to blame an outgroup for their troubles?

# ? Jan 27, 2024 22:56

bonelessdongs: Jul 17, 2019

Thoguh posted:

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

That's more respectable than getting it from a doctor, major broscience W
Bring back DNP

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:01

the milk machine: Jul 23, 2002; lick my keys

Thoguh posted:

I just got on Wegovy after a decade of being really good at losing weight and really bad at keeping it off and I figure if it works then the risk of long term side effects is very likely going to be outweighed by the reduction in my risk of a bunch of obesity related issues so world of contrasts really.

However what I have learned as I was researching the drug is that 99% of people that say they are on Ozempic are really just taking the active ingredient of the drug (semaglutide) via sourcing it from sketchy online compounding pharmacies with no quality control, and then shooting themselves up with self prescribed and managed doses using vials and syringes they buy off Amazon.

bodybuilding mindset is consuming the west and we all love to see it

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:05

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ibm-offers-employees-new-retirement-account-that-looks-a-lot-like-a-pension-140048840.html

god i loving hate this poo poo man

yeah its almost just like a pension sort of perhaps!!

except for the only way that actually matters, which is a guaranteed yearly payout amount when you need it

this is just a loving 401k you cant get high yield investments in ffs, theyre doing it because its cheaper for them to offer

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:08

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Panfilo posted:

As an aside, years ago people got really salty when I pointed out that goons were able to accept that their poverty was due to to systemic factors, yet when it came to obesity they were full blown "personal responsibility" about it. You can apply the logic to both things - money in money out, calories in calories out. But they were more comfortable being judgmental about weight than poverty.

The relationship between poverty and obesity is about to become so tightly coupled that this is going to become a particularly bad look (that no one will care about).

It's already a kind of a class signifier, but within five years you're going to be able to pick out any random overweight person and have a pretty good idea that they're actually really, really poor.

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:14

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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

The study is pretty clear: sustainable weight loss requires lifestyle changes.

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stop trying to make me like mods

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:29

Panfilo: Aug 27, 2011; EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Paradoxish posted:

The relationship between poverty and obesity is about to become so tightly coupled that this is going to become a particularly bad look (that no one will care about).

It's already a kind of a class signifier, but within five years you're going to be able to pick out any random overweight person and have a pretty good idea that they're actually really, really poor.

I think this correlation is poorly understood by normies in the face of the fact that poor people are less able to afford food period (one in seven in the US has food insecurity) and more likely to work longer hours in jobs that burn more calories. Of course the reality is more complicated with things like food deserts, poor access to proper healthcare or education, stress, poorer sleep hygiene, trauma, etc. It gets so easy for people to over simplify the problem by telling people "stop eating McDonald's nonstop".

# ? Jan 27, 2024 23:37

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Paradoxish posted:

The relationship between poverty and obesity is about to become so tightly coupled that this is going to become a particularly bad look (that no one will care about).

It's already a kind of a class signifier, but within five years you're going to be able to pick out any random overweight person and have a pretty good idea that they're actually really, really poor.

pancreatitis and life long injections that make you feel gross, for all! mazel tov!

we did it everybody

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:26

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# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:40

speng31b: May 8, 2010

PoundSand posted:

I dunno willa, I've just seen you post on covid in other topics such as education concerns that align awfully closely/identically to some of the worst takes on gov covid response it's hard to look at you weighing some measures that may have admittedly done some amount of harm vs the far larger harm that came from general nonresponse/lifting measures early as some sort of serious non-political perspective.

Measuring the harm of less vs more government action on covid pretty clearly weights towards "we didn't do enough" so trying to grind an axe on perceived "we did too much" aspects is always gonna come across badly. It's why in my initial response to your post I mentioned an issue with enabling the bad narrative, cause that's what it's doing. The reality is we needed a stronger gov for controlling the pandemic but people have been so brainwashed on it that even the minimal measures we did take are going to be political suicide and there's never going to be a meaningful gov response to a widespread health crisis ever again.

What we did was inadequate as is and that's already been retconned to being too much. It does not bode well for future issues.

Willa Rogers posted:

yeah, this is why we're at a standstill: I'm talking about individual instances of government overreach instead of "narratives" about "government" doing "nothing."

I've explained my pov on this to the best of my ability & if my posting about covid over the last four years leads you to take it as some sort of oevre that puts me in whatever basket of deplorables you decide I belong in then nothing I say will convince you otherwise.

eta: "admittedly done some harm" is what you were initially labeling as a "narrative" that shouldn't be propagated (even as it was the reality!).

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:40

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

FacelessVoid posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIsWhmMmHQs

I ate japanese school lunches for a year

they were always nothing but "real" food. vegetables, fish, rice, etc., all in a wide variety. rarely anything was fried. no cheese, no processed meat, no weird sauces or candies. i was blown away. and i lived in a pretty poor area by japanese standards.

the food we give children in america is poison. poo poo, the food most people eat is poison.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:43

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

Scarabrae posted:

anyways here�s fun article

https://www.okdoomer.io/what-happens-when-you/

this writer needs to be shot

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:44

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

I ate japanese school lunches for a year

they were always nothing but "real" food. vegetables, fish, rice, etc., all in a wide variety. rarely anything was fried. no cheese, no processed meat, no weird sauces or candies. i was blown away. and i lived in a pretty poor area by japanese standards.

the food we give children in america is poison. poo poo, the food most people eat is poison.

school lunch in america isnt a school lunch program its an agwaste disposal subsidy

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:46

titty_baby_: Nov 11, 2015

we got chocolate milk in plastic sacks

# ? Jan 28, 2024 00:47

Cheesus: Oct 17, 2002; Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.; Yam Slacker

19 o'clock posted:

I’m at the econ thread
I’m at the weight loss thread
I’m at the combination econ weight loss thread

It's the economy of scales, my friend.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 01:00

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Thread just reminded me I have brownies :hellyeah:

# ? Jan 28, 2024 01:03

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

titty_baby_ posted:

we got chocolate milk in plastic sacks

reminded me that in elementary school water literally wasnt an option. had to choose some kind of milk and frequently we got like hosed up mis-stamped date milk which resulted in me getting chunky milk and turned me off milk for pretty much the rest of my life. I just ate a dry lunch and went to the water fountain after lunch.

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HAIL eSATA-n: Apr 7, 2007

The Oldest Man posted:

Thread just reminded me I have brownies

i�d eat a brownie

# ? Jan 28, 2024 01:35

The Oldest Man: Jul 28, 2003

Update the brownie wasn't very good

# ? Jan 28, 2024 01:40

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

The Oldest Man posted:

school lunch in america isnt a school lunch program its an agwaste disposal subsidy

i literally never had school lunches

they at least existed in elementary school but it was far too expensive a program for my family (i had to work serving it sometimes though!), by jr high it wasn't even an option the cafeteria was solely for eating food you brought in and by high school everybody just ate from the vending machines that had recently been installed or snuck off campus to fast food

# ? Jan 28, 2024 01:51

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

Panfilo posted:

I think this correlation is poorly understood by normies in the face of the fact that poor people are less able to afford food period (one in seven in the US has food insecurity) and more likely to work longer hours in jobs that burn more calories. Of course the reality is more complicated with things like food deserts, poor access to proper healthcare or education, stress, poorer sleep hygiene, trauma, etc. It gets so easy for people to over simplify the problem by telling people "stop eating McDonald's nonstop".

McDonald's isn't bad on the scale of American garbage food. A 550 calorie burger pales in comparison to a 1800 calorie hamburger at the brewpub or a 1200 calorie "coffee" at Starbuck's

The issue is not McDonald's or other convenience foods for time poor working people, any more than automats were killing people in the 1940s. It's the indulgent poo poo that the middle class is told is their birthright.

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:10

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud: Apr 7, 2003

I went to McDonald's today and had two (2) hamburgers. That's 500 calories. The Red Robin Whiskey River BBQ burger is 1200 calories before you even touch your Bottomless Fries (R).

Even their veggie poo poo is straight up worse than eating at McD's

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:12

err: Apr 11, 2005; I carry my own weight no matter how heavy this shit gets...

Anyone else think that AI Taylor Swift porn thing is a false flag, potentially by some anti-AI group/individual or rival country, to accelerate AI legislation?

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1751132539912143331

err has issued a correction as of 02:47 on Jan 28, 2024

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:44

silentsnack: Mar 19, 2009; Donald John Trump (born June 14, 1946) is the 45th and current President of the United States. Before entering politics, he was a businessman and television personality.

nah it's rutibex

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:52

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silentsnack posted:

nah it's rutibex

yep. easily. case closed

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:53

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

occams rutibex says: the simplest answer is one involving horny goonling nerds

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:54

mycomancy: Oct 16, 2016

err posted:

Anyone else think that AI Taylor Swift porn thing is a false flag, potentially by some anti-AI group/individual or rival country, to accelerate AI legislation?

https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1751132539912143331

Does anyone think it to be not surrptious?

# ? Jan 28, 2024 02:54

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Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

Panfilo posted:

As an aside, years ago people got really salty when I pointed out that goons were able to accept that their poverty was due to to systemic factors, yet when it came to obesity they were full blown "personal responsibility" about it. You can apply the logic to both things - money in money out, calories in calories out. But they were more comfortable being judgmental about weight than poverty.

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