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ummel posted:Not sure what they're referring to, but I was asking specifically about which organizations Nancy Pelosi has shown a pattern of identifying as “lovely faux-progressive organisations that believe in nothing but making chaos under the orders of foreign governments.”
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Killer robot posted:Would that pattern happen to be "calling out a protest organized by a group whose foreign funding is both well-demonstrated and which caused significant change in their directions of activism?" Since that's what it was that time. This is an ad hominem attack against the protestors. We should engage with the message they are spreading and examine it in good faith and accept or discard it on its own merits. Nancy Pelosi received hundreds of thousands of dollars from pro-Israel groups. This funding is both well demonstrated and happened to cause a significant change in her political directions. Should we call her an Israel-backed politician? her recent behavior and statements were done for Israel’s benefit while likely harming her political cause in her home country - Is she acting as a foreign agent for Israel? (USER WAS PERMABANNED FOR THIS POST) The Top G fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Code Pink doesn't seem to have been on the radar since Biden won and Trump lost, useful until they're not it seems with that particular sect of Democratic Party activism, all good signs for November.
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don't forget Black Hammer Every part of that insane organization was like it was designed to lure in the russians. zero percent chance they didn't end up taking marching orders for a few payments to gazi kodzo
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The Artificial Kid posted:It's resurfacing because somebody thinks deliberately refloating it will cause disruption and strife for Pelosi and the Democrats. I guess it’s too bad that the clip is an actual clip of her actually saying that. Pleasant Friend posted:Code Pink is a poo poo organisation and Pelosi was loving right in that case. Interesting, do you have any sources to support this assertion? Nucleic Acids fucked around with this message at 15:17 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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The Top G posted:This an A and B conversation, so C your way out before D and E come and knock you the F out. Is this a bit based on your username? I'm honestly not sure.
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Nucleic Acids posted:I guess it’s too bad that the clip is an actual clip of her actually saying that. It was posted right after the OP about two pages ago. The group she was arguing with in that clip literally are funded by China (the new President is also married to the head of a Shanghai TV show funded by the city's propaganda department) and she was referencing a New York Times investigation published last year. quote:In fact, a New York Times investigation found, it is part of a lavishly funded influence campaign that defends China and pushes its propaganda. What is less known, and is hidden amid a tangle of nonprofit groups and shell companies, is that Mr. Singham works closely with the Chinese government media machine and is financing its propaganda worldwide. quote:Code Pink once criticized China’s rights record but now defends its internment of the predominantly Muslim Uyghurs, which human rights experts have labeled a crime against humanity. quote:Ms. Evans has organized around progressive causes like climate change, gender and racism. Until a few years ago, she readily criticized China’s authoritarian government. quote:Since 2017, about a quarter of Code Pink’s donations — more than $1.4 million — have come from two groups linked to Mr. Singham, nonprofit records show. The first was one of the UPS store nonprofits. The second was a charity that Goldman Sachs offers as a conduit for clients’ giving, and that Mr. Singham has used in the past. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It was posted right after the OP about two pages ago. The group she was arguing with in that clip literally are funded by China (the new President is also married to the head of a Shanghai TV show funded by the city's propaganda department) and she was referencing a New York Times investigation published last year. Okay. She still clearly foreign actors are behind most, if not all, anti genocide protests.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Okay. She still clearly foreign actors are behind most, if not all, anti genocide protests. Do you have a source for that assertion?
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Xiahou Dun posted:Do you have a source for that assertion? Her calling on the FBI to investigate anti war groups.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Her calling on the FBI to investigate anti war groups. When did she call on the FBI to investigate anti-war groups in general? Or even just when did she call on the FBI? Stating a vague desire for them to look at something is different.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Okay. She still clearly foreign actors are behind most, if not all, anti genocide protests. Lol this is an excellent reaction to someone showing you that you were wrong about something
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Xiahou Dun posted:When did she call on the FBI to investigate anti-war groups in general? A “vague” desire is still a desire, and she did not in any way attempt to clarify which ones should be. It’s just McCarthyism being wielded against groups that are making her party look bad.
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Nucleic Acids posted:A “vague” desire is still a desire, and she did not in any way attempt to clarify which ones should be. It’s just McCarthyism being wielded against groups that are making her party look bad. Yes, but that's not calling on the FBI which is what you said. Words mean things. Also have you just abandoned trying to to turn "some" into "most"?
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Bwee posted:Lol this is an excellent reaction to someone showing you that you were wrong about something She did actually Russia for some anti genocide protests.
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yes, but that's not calling on the FBI which is what you said. She expressed a clear desire for an investigation using McCarthyite tactics.
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Nucleic Acids posted:She expressed a clear desire for an investigation using McCarthyite tactics. Yes, but that's not what you said she did. Do you have a source for that?
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Nucleic Acids posted:She did actually Russia for some anti genocide protests. What?
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Xiahou Dun posted:Yes, but that's not what you said she did. Do you have a source for that? My source is her saying it on CNN, which has been posted in this thread.
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Bwee posted:What? I mean she did say she thinks anti war groups should be investigated.
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quote="Nucleic Acids" post="537498606"] My source is her saying it on CNN, which has been posted in this thread. [/quote] Even given her stupid comments it's pretty obvious she doesn't believe everyone or even most of who are attending the protests are paid or anything: https://www.npr.org/2024/01/28/1227487571/pelosi-gaza-fbi-ceasefire-protesters-russia posted:
Even calling for an investigation of funding in this manner is a stupid and bad move for both civil rights and optics though.
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Apropos of recent “9/11 was inside job” discussion, it seems a certain beloved congressman believed there was more to it than the official story: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ny-rep-jamaal-bowman-promoted-911-conspiracy-theories-on-blog quote:Squad member Rep. Jamaal Bowman promoted wild conspiracy theories about 9/11 on his personal blog during his previous career as a middle school principal, The Daily Beast has discovered.
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That's a terrible poem.
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The only thing worse than 9/11 trutherism is free verse poetry 9/11 trutherism. Possibly an even worse sign of mental stability is a 35-year old man writing in 2014 how he still has anxiety about Y2k.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The only thing worse than 9/11 trutherism is free verse poetry 9/11 trutherism. If it was 2038 Anxiety though that'd at least be understandable
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Nucleic Acids posted:Okay. She still clearly foreign actors are behind most, if not all, anti genocide protests. Nucleic Acids posted:She did actually Russia for some anti genocide protests. Accidentally a word, but more importantly there's a meandering shift from "most, if not all" to "some"
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The details about the subpoena starting to leak out. https://x.com/bresreports/status/1752355402606399836?s=46&t=bfbUdXZ7wtKr5Ce8r1pCkQ Not nearly as fun as the alternatives!
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A new study about U.S. real estate prices shows a lot of previous trends continuing. Nothing too surprising, but a couple of noticable trends: - Florida continues its transformation from one of the cheapest places to live in 2000 to one of the most expensive places to live in 2024. Every single one of the most expensive zip codes in the country (with a single exception of downtown Seattle) is now in California or Florida. - The most expensive areas in the country are rapidly getting even more expensive. However, there are still significant tracts of cheap housing in the rust belt and south. The most expensive neighborhoods are now roughly 200x more expensive than the cheapest neighborhoods in the U.S. All of the ten cheapest areas are in the rust belt or non-urban areas in the south. The full list of the top 10 most and least expensive neighborhoods in the country is posted after the article text. https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1752134535083417765 quote:House hunters frequently consider price per square foot when they're shopping for real estate because the figure can provide value comparisons with other properties in the same area. quote:Least Expensive:
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Star Island is lower on that list than I would have guessed
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Assuming there's exactly one expensive house for sale in Placer County Edit: I was thinking of Alpine County CPColin fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A new study about U.S. real estate prices shows a lot of previous trends continuing. Nothing too surprising, but a couple of noticable trends: Hmm, I wonder how much those cheapest places are increasing in price, if at all. I feel like the baseline ("In the best case scenarios, are things getting better or worse, and by how much?") seems super important for the conversation but I've not had much luck figuring it out.
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GlyphGryph posted:Hmm, I wonder how much those cheapest places are increasing in price, if at all. I feel like the baseline ("In the best case scenarios, are things getting better or worse, and by how much?") seems super important for the conversation but I've not had much luck figuring it out. On a per square foot basis, the cheapest one (Homewood, in PA) only increased 1.4% last year - lower than inflation. However, when you google the name of the town one of the first things that comes up is how it was "destroyed by disinvestment when industry shut down in the 1970's and then the war on drugs," so there might be a specific reason for that extremely low median home value (~$30k). Edit: It looks like almost all of them on the cheapest list have barely increased in price at all or even decreased when adjusted for inflation, but almost all of them are towns that started dying in the 1970's and 1980's because they were reliant on one specific industry that shrank or left and they never recovered - including the ironically named "Industry" in Indiana. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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I want to live near where I grew up, is that so hard to ask?!
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Mooseontheloose posted:I want to live near where I grew up, is that so hard to ask?! Maybe, but you have to go back in time and make sure that you don't grow up in California, Florida, Seattle, Manhattan, Washington D.C., Boston or Hawaii.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Maybe, but you have to go back in time and make sure that you don't grow up in California, Florida, Seattle, Manhattan, Washington D.C., Boston or Hawaii. Alternatively, I can cause an environmental crisis near one of these places.
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GlyphGryph posted:Hmm, I wonder how much those cheapest places are increasing in price, if at all. I feel like the baseline ("In the best case scenarios, are things getting better or worse, and by how much?") seems super important for the conversation but I've not had much luck figuring it out. The places with the cheapest prices are places where the walls are full of asbestos and every house on offer is going to require a full teardown to be livable - or at the least, Gary Indiana definitely fits that bill and I'd imagine the same is mostly true for the rest That isn't to say that the overall trend of housing being cheaper in the rust belt and non-urban south isn't true, but there is a certain minimum standard of "4 walls, a ceiling, and a foundation" and "won't kill me just from living here for 5 years" Flint, MI is almost certainly not a unique case, btw, and some of these communities are probably infrastructure nightmares that will not be resolved at any point in the next 30 years Edit: I literally grew up in Delaware County, Indiana and I have never heard of the town of "Industry", so I'm guessing that's, like, 5 houses on a country road that technically have their own name for historical reasons? I guess technically they are talking about "neighborhoods", and this must be the "official" name for the spooky ghost town on the far side of Muncie? https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/611-E-6th-St_Muncie_IN_47302_M46296-38020 https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/824-S-Penn-St_Muncie_IN_47302_M42112-29469 https://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/1205-E-6th-St_Muncie_IN_47302_M35480-21797 The median is $33 because the lowest value one is a literal empty lawn, the next lowest is a deathtrap, and the median one is probably technically livable but has lead, mold, or both and would need substantial refurbishment. There are 5 listings for the neighborhood, so that's the list of relevant entries I actually lived across the tracks from this neighborhood back when I was in elementary school, I double-checked and it doesn't actually contain the public housing communities (those were on my side of the tracks), but according to the census data it is 98th percentile for persons with disability and has elevated rates of diabetes, heart disease, asthma, and poor mental health according to the EJI map (which is just contextualized census data), so you can imagine why people aren't going to pay a premium to get in there. There's room to debate whether the lived environment causes the health conditions or the health conditions make it so you can't afford to live anywhere else, but I feel pretty comfortable saying that the median home for sale in that neighborhood is a health hazard in one way or another and a lot of them are going to have a history of foreclosures. BougieBitch fucked around with this message at 19:58 on Jan 30, 2024 |
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GlyphGryph posted:Hmm, I wonder how much those cheapest places are increasing in price, if at all. I feel like the baseline ("In the best case scenarios, are things getting better or worse, and by how much?") seems super important for the conversation but I've not had much luck figuring it out. They're basically not increasing at all, but it's not really right to talk about a single national baseline. A big part of the overall home pricing problem is that there's only really a handful of areas that most people actually want to live in. There's still vast chunks of America that are relatively cheap overall, but they're cheap because not all that many people really wants to live there. Even in California and Florida, there's huge shifts in prices depending on what part of the state you're looking. Here's a national summary of home prices from the National Association of Realtors that clearly illustrates the problem: While this map is purchase prices only, rents follow a fairly similar pattern. As you can see, there's still plenty of cheap homes available - as long as you're willing to live well away from a major urban area, and especially if you're willing to live in flyover country, the Midwest, or the deep South. Even in Florida, California, and New York, you can find fairly affordable places if you're willing to look well away from any of the major urban cores. Even though those states' housing prices are skyrocketing, it's driven almost entirely by the intense desirability of the major coastal cities. The rural areas and the ex-industrial areas are a lot cheaper. But that brings us back to the real problem - those places are a lot cheaper because people don't want to live there, and for the most part there's good reasons why people don't want to live there. A lot of the businesses that had a good reason to not be near cities have either automated away most of their manpower demands or transitioned to using cheap-and-disposable migrant labor instead, leaving behind blighted dying neighborhoods full of toxic waste and cranky retirees. And if they don't have any reason to not be near cities, it's attractive to locate near cities, where they have access to a large labor pool and extensive infrastructure.
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Anecdotal, but some of my acquaintances and former work buddies seem to have caught on to the cheaper housing in the midwest/south and have been vocal about moving there. These are people who live in the seattle metropolitan areas. Only one of them made good on their move. I get the desire to own a home, but I don't believe they are thinking this all the way through.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I want to live near where I grew up, is that so hard to ask?! I fell into that trap. I grew up in a neighborhood that was run down and cheap when I was a kid, but that attracted cool young artist people that made it cool which in turn attracted investors and yuppies so now the houses we rented for $300 a month in the 90s are pushing $1 million. Bought way more house than I need but drat it if I don't love it here.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:On a per square foot basis, the cheapest one (Homewood, in PA) only increased 1.4% last year - lower than inflation. This is apparently Homewood, PA: Although it doesn't seem to be completely run down, not sure what I'd do there other than commute to... Beaver Falls? Main Paineframe posted:They're basically not increasing at all, but it's not really right to talk about a single national baseline. A big part of the overall home pricing problem is that there's only really a handful of areas that most people actually want to live in. There's still vast chunks of America that are relatively cheap overall, but they're cheap because not all that many people really wants to live there. Even in California and Florida, there's huge shifts in prices depending on what part of the state you're looking.
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