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Morrow posted:You still need money to organize or get out the vote. A lukewarm Trump supporter who doesn't make it to the booth could have with the right push. A place where Trump is guaranteed not to win, or where he isn't on the ballot, could decimate the down ticket. Also a lot of the money isn't just being redirected to Trump's campaign for use to get him elected. It's being diverted to his legal bills and being embezzled both through legal and illegal means. Add on top of that that nitty gritty and small ball political expenditures like getting out the vote and registering voters aren't what Trump's campaign focus on. There's a limited pool of money that Republicans as a whole can use for their campaigns. Small donors are limited by how much they're financially able to give, and most of them are mainlining the koolaid for the cult. Medium donors are limited by legal limits, and ol' Donny has found a way to hoover up as much of their money too by insisting that all fundraiser events he shows up to are the financial equivalent of his Legal Fund Banquet for Giulliani. Large donors can still spend like firehoses, but the very few limitations on Super PACs makes them wildly inefficient and untargeted.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eric Trump in a bad Halloween costume. This is common misunderstanding; he just looks like that.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Right, my point is that even that is just what he claims he's doing. Just because you've caught one layer of lies doesn't mean there isn't another further layer of additional lies under that. For example, here, it is absolutely possible that the people running the PAC are just outright stealing money from the PAC and putting it somewhere else where Trump can access it personally. He's done it before, that's why he's not allowed to run a charity in New York state any more. There's no reason for them to steal money from the PAC, though. It's completely legal for Trump to use Save America PAC money for his own personal benefit. There's no need for him to hide it, and no particular indication that he's trying to hide it. Also, hiding it would be a huge mistake given the massive amount of legal scrutiny he's already under - Save America PAC has already been subpoenaed twice as part of the various investigations against Trump, though one of the subpoenas was later withdrawn. The Trump Foundation wasn't shut down for lying about where he sent money. That Trump Foundation money really was going to charities and nonprofits. The problem is that he arranged things so that he would personally benefit from the legitimate charity donations, such as:
As far as I know, he hasn't really been accused of lying about where the donations were going. Lots of blatant corruption, but the corruption was right there in the paperwork and pretty easy to dig out once people bothered to investigate. This isn't to say that he wasn't lying about things, of course. But he largely wasn't lying about where the money was going, at least not on any important legal filings or disclosures. Rather, what he lied about was the nature of the Trump Foundation's Board of Directors. The board was supposed to exercise fiduciary oversight over the Foundation and prevent this sort of self-dealing stuff, among other things, but by 2000 it only really existed on paper and wasn't carrying out any of its legal duties.
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Buying an expensive art piece using charity funds and then using it for you personal pleasure is stealing and is lying about where the funds were going.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Agreed, Eh, sign me up. I had a wildly abusive childhood and didn't get billions out of it. Actually had to fight my way out of a ton of debt my dad stacked up by using my SSN for years before I was even 18. If I'm going to get abused, I'd rather take the option that also leaves me insanely wealthy.
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Prosecutor in Trump Georgia case settles divorce ahead of testimonyquote:The lead prosecutor in the Georgia election interference case against former president Donald Trump and his allies settled a contentious divorce dispute on Tuesday, canceling a hearing scheduled for Wednesday morning that could have included testimony about allegations of an improper relationship between him and Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis. Well that's that, then. Lol.
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Deteriorata posted:Prosecutor in Trump Georgia case settles divorce ahead of testimony Oh, you can rest assured that that won't be that. Clearly Corrupt Joe Biden through Hunter's crime/Russia contacts pressured/paid off the ex-wife to settle just to avoid having to testify. The secrets are there but they just have to keep digging.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:
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The Bible posted:Eh, sign me up. I had a wildly abusive childhood and didn't get billions out of it. Actually had to fight my way out of a ton of debt my dad stacked up by using my SSN for years before I was even 18.
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Deteriorata posted:Prosecutor in Trump Georgia case settles divorce ahead of testimony Judge McAfee still has a hearing scheduled to go over the matter. Will he be precluded from asking questions of wade that aren’t supported by the record? I assume he can ask what he wants. I guess my question is more would that be proper? Roman made claims that can’t be supported and it should be on him to make a real claim. I don’t think it’s on McAfee to participate in a fishing expedition but obviously I’m just talking out my rear end.
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Deteriorata posted:Prosecutor in Trump Georgia case settles divorce ahead of testimony Oh they're going to go completely apeshit over this lmao
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(someone posted this in the Trump Legal Issues thread) UH-OH, DERNALD! Prosecutor in Trump Georgia case settles divorce ahead of testimony quote:The lead prosecutor in the Georgia election interference case against former president Donald Trump and his allies settled a contentious divorce dispute on Tuesday, canceling a hearing scheduled for Wednesday morning that could have included testimony about allegations of an improper relationship between him and Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis.
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The Islamic Shock posted:How much or how little did your creditors care that you were very clearly and provably a minor at the time of the debts? About as much as they cared at the time they issued credit cards to a 12 year-old. Banks in the 80s and 90s were pretty cavalier about a lot of things, imagine that. I did manage to dismiss the debts eventually, but it still did significant damage to my credit score. It wasn't my fault at all, but it was still a risk that someone had taken out debt in my name, so tough poo poo, kid. But at least I won't have to inherit billions of dollars and enjoy the rest of my life doing whatever the gently caress I want. The Bible fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Do we think that the fishing expedition worked to get their client better terms for that settlement?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Do we think that the fishing expedition worked to get their client better terms for that settlement? I think so. Wade probably offered some more terms to the ex to get this closed. If he was all aboard, sucks for him but I appreciate trying to get this resolved for public interest in seeing Trump tried.
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MrMojok posted:(someone posted this in the Trump Legal Issues thread) Trump Legal Troubles: (someone posted this in the Trump Legal Issues thread) H.R. Hufflepuff fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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Biggerboat, could we get this calendar link that Tesseraction (and iirc one other goon) provided added to the OP? https://www.justsecurity.org/88039/trumps-legal-and-political-calendar-all-the-dates-you-need-to-know/
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H.R. Hufflepuff posted:Trump Legal Troubles: (someone posted this in the Trump Legal Issues thread) Why is there a whole trump legal issue thread about trump legal troubles
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Trump: my issues have troubles and my troubles have issues.
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My legal troubles will have legal troubles with me! Edit: Main Paineframe posted:There's no reason for them to steal money from the PAC, though. Trump would steal it for the same reason a dog licks their balls: because they can. Agents are GO! fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jan 31, 2024 |
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The Bible posted:About as much as they cared at the time they issued credit cards to a 12 year-old. Banks in the 80s and 90s were pretty cavalier about a lot of things, imagine that.
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Madkal posted:Trump: my issues have troubles and my troubles have issues. when your legal troubles grow so big they have legal issues of their own, it takes so long to prosecute you that you can become president again. outstanding move
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Discendo Vox posted:Biggerboat, could we get this calendar link that Tesseraction (and iirc one other goon) provided added to the OP? According to this the judge will be filing his decision in the NY civil fraud trial today. Does that mean we get to see it too?
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I don’t think it’s a real deadline. More like a “hope to have a verdict by the end of the month” thing that got put on a calendar.
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The Bible posted:About as much as they cared at the time they issued credit cards to a 12 year-old. Banks in the 80s and 90s were pretty cavalier about a lot of things, imagine that. The Islamic Shock posted:So you are a credit risk because the illegal thing that happened is now something nobody can do to you on account of not being a minor but get hosed anyway, that's amazing To be fair to the banks, a good amount of parents get credit cards for their kids so their kids can buy things and the parents ultimately will fund the purchases. Depending on the time period, the parents might have applied for a lot of those cards in person and just filled out the kid's name. The controls for ID theft were not great back then. They also could theoretically have been listed as guarantors on the kid's line of credit with no intent of ever making anything right as a guarantor is supposed to do. Fixing all of that, to the extent you could, would require having a ton of time to hammer things out with the various credit bureaus. You're not supposed to be able to open lines of credit before you're 18. However, you might even have to go through civil litigation or even filing a police report to get all the evidentiary steps taken care of. The more time passes, the harder it gets. I feel bad for The Bible because that's a pretty hosed up situation.
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Scratch Monkey posted:According to this the judge will be filing his decision in the NY civil fraud trial today. Does that mean we get to see it too? Unless it's under seal, which would be unusual enough to be interesting, yes it would be publicly readable. But as it's not going to be in open court he could drop it at like 23:55 EST.
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Eric Cantonese posted:To be fair to the banks, a good amount of parents get credit cards for their kids so their kids can buy things and the parents ultimately will fund the purchases. Depending on the time period, the parents might have applied for a lot of those cards in person and just filled out the kid's name. The controls for ID theft were not great back then. They also could theoretically have been listed as guarantors on the kid's line of credit with no intent of ever making anything right as a guarantor is supposed to do. Yeah, the counterside to this is that I have absurdly good credit because my aunt put me as a secondary name on her credit cards back in the early 80's. So I somehow have her credit history now, so I show as religiously paying down my credit balance every month for decades.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, the counterside to this is that I have absurdly good credit because my aunt put me as a secondary name on her credit cards back in the early 80's. So I somehow have her credit history now, so I show as religiously paying down my credit balance every month for decades. Yeah, my parents did this for me too when I was young. And later got me to apply for a low credit ceiling card and had me use it for everything and immediately pay it off to generate a good credit history. I mean, as long as you pay off all your purchases every month, it's nothing but upsides to the user anyway. You pay the same (unless some retailers charge more for the use of credit, like some gas stations do) but you can get the cashback, travel miles, whatever on top for "free".
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Eric Cantonese posted:To be fair to the banks, To be really fair to the banks, start making Molotovs
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According to this we'll find out about his overall PAC spending on legal fees after he files his FEC filings today https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-50-million-donor-money-legal-bills-2023-1234956948/ Citing the NYT: quote:According to the Times, 10 cents of every dollar donated to Trump’s campaign is being directed towards Save America, which in the last year has operated virtually exclusively as a legal slush fund for the former president. This doesn't cover his MAGA PAC's payouts, though.
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Agents are GO! posted:My legal troubles will have legal troubles with me! I'd never leave the house
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Nitrousoxide posted:Yeah, my parents did this for me too when I was young. And later got me to apply for a low credit ceiling card and had me use it for everything and immediately pay it off to generate a good credit history. My dad did this to me too, without telling me. It was great for awhile and then I found out I had a debt for a quarter of a million. Since my dad was retired and had bought his home outright, he decided to play chicken with his creditors and work on a reduced payoff to save some cash. It didn't matter to him if his credit was dumpstered due to it. Just so happened to be the card I was also on! We got it cleared up but I thought my identity was stolen for a few days. Amusingly it's been 7 years ago as of November, so it dropped off his credit report and he has good credit again.
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PainterofCrap posted:I'd never leave the house Please. Let's not pretend. How much house leaving is really happening for any of us around here?
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I have to leave my pigsty to go to a place where people make more money than me five days a week.
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Donkringel posted:My dad did this to me too, without telling me. That's absolute poo poo that you ended up getting caught in the crossfire, but I like the cut of your dad's jib wrt negotiation style.
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Trump posted that he is interviewing for a new law team for the E Jean Carrol appeal. "Any lawyer who takes a TRUMP CASE is either "CRAZY", or a TRUE AMERICAN PATRIOT." https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/1752716289238548537
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OgNar posted:Trump posted that he is interviewing for a new law team for the E Jean Carrol appeal. He gave you two trial while denying you due process? 
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Xiahou Dun posted:He gave you two trial while denying you due process? Obvious double jeopardy violation
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