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Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I met w a Brit management consultant today who was telling me about the time he was locked in a room at 101 and screamed at by a Major-General to sign a proposal to outsource all expeditionary logistics above Bde level as a cost-saving measure and to keep official deployed troops numbers lower for OOTW.

The reason they (Govt) bring consultants in is to monitor “efficiency”, and to make sure the big green machine is exercising fiduciary responsibility to Canadian shareholders taxpayers. I had heard a rumour this harebrained scheme had been proposed, but never made it to PWGSC so I believe him on this one. The rough details about the proposal to make PepsiCo an indispensable part of our fighting forces seem about right for the mid 2010’s.

The management consultants were the ones that pointed out that if we do this in OOTW, even if it works “well”, we’re in trouble in, well, W, because the civvie contractors will get the gently caress out of there. I can only guess that his firm wasn’t going to make short term profits on signing off on it, because I can’t see McKinsey telling the govt not to privatize the tail. The system is still stupid enough to give the suits auditing big army veto power, so the plan that probably would have made the MajGens career never went ahead. Not sure how I feel about that because it means a million other, stupid, plans the suits liked went ahead over uniformed objections.

But yeah, the guy says he was kept in this conference room, getting beasted by a red faced logistician, with the papers in front of him, until the time on his visitor pass expired and his escort came to walk him out.

Could be a Grover type embellishment, could be legit, but it was a good story.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 18:03 on Jan 30, 2024

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

SixteenShells posted:

Samwise shouldn't even know what potatoes are. The LotR cycle was intended to be a faux mythology for prehistoric Europe, while potatoes are a New World crop. He should be lauding turnips or something.

I mean, it's just Peter Jackson putting a little bit of levity in and giving the movies some real soul, but still.

Nah, the potatoes are in the books too

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

love to almost die escorting the Burger King

For king and country.

Bel Shazar
Sep 14, 2012

Kassad posted:

Nah, the potatoes are in the books too

no, I clearly remember Sam talking about more naked hoes

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

DancingShade posted:

For king and country-fried steak.

tatankatonk
Nov 4, 2011

Pitching is the art of instilling fear.

Cerebral Bore posted:

when you're wounded and left on afghanistan's plains
and the burger king convoy is all that remains
just roll to your whopper and blow out your veins
and go to your god like a soldier

hamas ftw
Nov 25, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s all been contacted out.

I was listening to an interview with an artilleryman from the 82nd whose battery was reroled to convoy escort in Iraq. After one of their gun trucks was hit by an IED they popped open one of the sea cans in the convoy to see what it was all for, and he said it was full of boxes for Taco Bell and Burger King destined for one of the major bases around Baghdad.

aaaaaAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s all been contacted out.

I was listening to an interview with an artilleryman from the 82nd whose battery was reroled to convoy escort in Iraq. After one of their gun trucks was hit by an IED they popped open one of the sea cans in the convoy to see what it was all for, and he said it was full of boxes for Taco Bell and Burger King destined for one of the major bases around Baghdad.

Achievement unlocked: Died for Burgertown

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Officer Sandvich
Feb 14, 2010
https://www.foreignaffairs.com/united-states/cia-spycraft-and-statecraft-william-burns

William Burns: Spycraft and Statecraft

quote:

For as long as countries have kept secrets from one another, they have tried to steal them from one another. Espionage has been and will remain an integral part of statecraft, even as its techniques continually evolve. America’s first spies spent the Revolutionary War using ciphers, clandestine courier networks, and invisible ink to correspond with each other and their foreign allies. In World War II, the emerging field of signals intelligence helped uncover Japanese war plans. During the early Cold War, the United States’ intelligence capabilities literally went into the stratosphere, with the advent of the U-2 and other high-altitude spy planes that could photograph Soviet military installations with impressive clarity.

The simple stars etched on the memorial wall at the CIA’s headquarters in Langley, Virginia, honor the 140 agency officers who gave their lives serving their country. The memorial offers an enduring reminder of countless acts of courage. Yet those instances of heroism and the CIA’s many quiet successes remain far less well known to the American public than the mistakes that have sometimes marred the agency’s history. The defining test for intelligence has always been to anticipate and help policymakers navigate profound shifts in the international landscape—the plastic moments that come along only a few times each century.

As President Joe Biden has reiterated, the United States faces one of those rare moments today, as consequential as the dawn of the Cold War or the post-9/11 period. China’s rise and Russia’s revanchism pose daunting geopolitical challenges in a world of intense strategic competition in which the United States no longer enjoys uncontested primacy and in which existential climate threats are mounting. Complicating matters further is a revolution in technology even more sweeping than the Industrial Revolution or the beginning of the nuclear age. From microchips to artificial intelligence to quantum computing, emerging technologies are transforming the world, including the profession of intelligence. In many ways, these developments make the CIA’s job harder than ever, giving adversaries powerful new tools to confuse us, evade us, and spy on us.

And yet as much as the world is changing, espionage remains an interplay between humans and technology. There will continue to be secrets that only humans can collect and clandestine operations that only humans can conduct. Technological advances, particularly in signals intelligence, have not made such human operations irrelevant, as some have predicted, but have instead revolutionized their practice. To be an effective twenty-first-century intelligence service, the CIA must blend a mastery of emerging technologies with the people-to-people skills and individual daring that have always been at the heart of our profession. That means equipping operations officers with the tools and tradecraft to conduct espionage in a world of constant technological surveillance—and equipping analysts with sophisticated artificial intelligence models that can digest mammoth amounts of open-source and clandestinely acquired information so that they can make their best human judgments.

At the same time, what the CIA does with the intelligence it gathers is also changing. “Strategic declassification,” the intentional public disclosure of certain secrets to undercut rivals and rally allies, has become an even more powerful tool for policymakers. Using it doesn’t mean recklessly jeopardizing the sources or methods used to collect the intelligence, but it does mean judiciously resisting the reflexive urge to keep everything classified. The U.S. intelligence community is also learning the increasing value of intelligence diplomacy, gaining a new understanding of how its efforts to bolster allies and counter foes can support policymakers.

This is a time of historic challenges for the CIA and the entire intelligence profession, with geopolitical and technological shifts posing as big a test as we’ve ever faced. Success will depend on blending traditional human intelligence with emerging technologies in creative ways. It will require, in other words, adapting to a world where the only safe prediction about change is that it will accelerate.

quote:

PUTIN UNBOUND

The post–Cold War era came to a definitive end the moment Russia invaded Ukraine in February 2022. I have spent much of the past two decades trying to understand the combustible combination of grievance, ambition, and insecurity that Russian President Vladimir Putin embodies. One thing I have learned is that it is always a mistake to underestimate his fixation on controlling Ukraine and its choices. Without that control, he believes it is impossible for Russia to be a great power or for him to be a great Russian leader. That tragic and brutish fixation has already brought shame to Russia and exposed its weaknesses, from its one-dimensional economy to its inflated military prowess to its corrupt political system. Putin’s invasion has also prompted breathtaking determination and resolve from the Ukrainian people. I have seen their courage firsthand on frequent wartime trips to Ukraine, punctuated by Russian air raids and vivid images of Ukrainian battlefield tenacity and ingenuity.

Putin’s war has already been a failure for Russia on many levels. His original goal of seizing Kyiv and subjugating Ukraine proved foolish and illusory. His military has suffered immense damage. At least 315,000 Russian soldiers have been killed or wounded, two-thirds of Russia’s prewar tank inventory has been destroyed, and Putin’s vaunted decades-long military modernization program has been hollowed out. All this is a direct result of Ukrainian soldiers’ valor and skill, backed up by Western support. Meanwhile, Russia’s economy is suffering long-term setbacks, and the country is sealing its fate as China’s economic vassal. Putin’s overblown ambitions have backfired in another way, too: they have prompted NATO to grow larger and stronger.

[....]

The key to success lies in preserving Western aid for Ukraine. At less than five percent of the U.S. defense budget, it is a relatively modest investment with significant geopolitical returns for the United States and notable returns for American industry. Keeping the arms flowing will put Ukraine in a stronger position if an opportunity for serious negotiations emerges. It offers a chance to ensure a long-term win for Ukraine and a strategic loss for Russia; Ukraine could safeguard its sovereignty and rebuild, while Russia would be left to deal with the enduring costs of Putin’s folly. For the United States to walk away from the conflict at this crucial moment and cut off support to Ukraine would be an own goal of historic proportions.

quote:

XI'S POWER PLAY

No one is watching U.S. support for Ukraine more closely than Chinese leaders. China remains the only U.S. rival with both the intent to reshape the international order and the economic, diplomatic, military, and technological power to do so. The country’s economic transformation over the past five decades has been extraordinary. It is one for which the Chinese people deserve great credit and one that the rest of the world has broadly supported in the belief that a prosperous China is a global good. The issue is not China’s rise in itself but the threatening actions that increasingly accompany it. China’s leader, Xi Jinping, has begun his third presidential term with more power than any of his predecessors since Mao Zedong. Rather than use that power to reinforce and revitalize the international system that enabled China’s transformation, Xi is seeking to rewrite it. In the intelligence profession, we study carefully what leaders say. But we pay even more attention to what they do. Xi’s growing repression at home and his aggressiveness abroad, from his “no limits” partnership with Putin to his threats to peace and stability in the Taiwan Strait, are impossible to ignore.

So, too, however, is the impact of Western solidarity on Xi’s calculus about the risks of using force against Taiwan, which elected a new president, Lai Ching-te, in January. For Xi, a man inclined to see the United States as a fading power, American leadership on Ukraine has surely come as a surprise. The United States’ willingness to inflict and absorb economic pain to counter Putin’s aggression—and its ability to rally its allies to do the same—powerfully contradicted Beijing’s belief that America was in terminal decline. Closer to Chinese shores, the resilience of the American network of allies and partners across the Indo-Pacific has had a sobering effect on Beijing’s thinking. One of the surest ways to rekindle Chinese perceptions of American fecklessness and stoke Chinese aggressiveness would be to abandon support for Ukraine. Continued material backing for Ukraine doesn’t come at the expense of Taiwan; it sends an important message of U.S. resolve that helps Taiwan.

[....]

In this volatile, divided world, the weight of the “hedging middle” is growing. Democracies and autocracies, developed economies and developing ones, and countries across the global South are increasingly intent on diversifying their relationships to maximize their options. They see little benefit and plenty of risk in sticking to monogamous geopolitical relationships with either the United States or China. More countries are likely to be attracted to an “open” geopolitical relationship status (or at least an “it’s complicated” one), following the United States’ lead on some issues while cultivating relations with China. And if past is precedent, Washington ought to be attentive to rivalries between the growing number of middle powers, which have historically helped spark collisions between major ones.

quote:

A FAMILIAR ENTANGLEMENT

The crisis precipitated by Hamas’s butchery in Israel on October 7, 2023, is a painful reminder of the complexity of the choices that the Middle East continues to pose for the United States. Competition with China will remain Washington’s highest priority, but that doesn’t mean it can evade other challenges. It means only that the United States has to navigate with care and discipline, avoid overreach, and use its influence wisely.

I have spent much of the last four decades working in and on the Middle East, and I have rarely seen it more tangled or explosive. Winding down the intense Israeli ground operation in the Gaza Strip, meeting the deep humanitarian needs of suffering Palestinian civilians, freeing hostages, preventing the spread of conflict to other fronts in the region, and shaping a workable approach for the “day after” in Gaza are all incredibly difficult problems. So is resurrecting hope for a durable peace that ensures Israel’s security as well as Palestinian statehood and takes advantage of historic opportunities for normalization with Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries. Hard as it may be to imagine those possibilities amid the current crisis, it is even harder to imagine getting out of the crisis without pursuing them seriously.

Key to Israel’s—and the region’s—security is dealing with Iran. The Iranian regime has been emboldened by the crisis and seems ready to fight to its last regional proxy, all while expanding its nuclear program and enabling Russian aggression. In the months after October 7, the Houthis, the Yemeni rebel group allied with Iran, began attacking commercial ships in the Red Sea, and the risks of escalation on other fronts persist.

The United States is not exclusively responsible for resolving any of the Middle East’s vexing problems. But none of them can be managed, let alone solved, without active U.S. leadership.

quote:

SPIES LIKE US

Geopolitical competition and uncertainty—not to mention shared challenges such as climate change and unprecedented technological advances such as artificial intelligence—make for a fiendishly complicated international landscape. The imperative for the CIA is to transform its approach to intelligence to keep pace with this rapidly transforming world. The CIA and the rest of the U.S. intelligence community—led by Avril Haines, the director of national intelligence—are working hard to meet this moment with the urgency and creativity it requires.

This new landscape presents particular challenges for an organization focused on human intelligence. In a world in which the United States’ principal rivals—China and Russia—are led by personalistic autocrats operating within small and insular circles of advisers, gaining insight into leaders’ intentions is both more important and more difficult than ever.

Just as 9/11 ushered in a new era for the CIA, so did Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. I’m deeply proud of the work that the CIA and our intelligence partners have done to assist the president and senior U.S. policymakers—and especially the Ukrainians themselves—to thwart Putin. Together, we provided early and accurate warning of the coming invasion. That knowledge also enabled the president to decide to send me to Moscow to warn Putin and his advisers in November 2021 about the consequences of the attack we knew they were planning. Convinced that their window for dominating Ukraine was closing and that the upcoming winter offered a favorable opportunity, they were unmoved and unapologetic—badly overestimating their own position and underestimating Ukrainian resistance and Western resolve.

Good intelligence has since helped the president mobilize and sustain a strong coalition of countries in support of Ukraine. It has also helped Ukraine defend itself with remarkable bravery and perseverance. The president has also made creative use of strategic declassification. Before the invasion, the administration, along with the British government, exposed Russian plans for “false flag” operations that were designed to pin blame on Ukrainians and provide a pretext for Russian military action. These and subsequent disclosures have denied Putin the false narratives that I have watched him so often weaponize in the past. They have put him in the uncomfortable and unaccustomed position of being on the back foot. And they have bolstered both Ukraine and the coalition supporting it.

Meanwhile, disaffection with the war is continuing to gnaw away at the Russian leadership and the Russian people, beneath the thick surface of state propaganda and repression. That undercurrent of disaffection is creating a once-in-a-generation recruiting opportunity for the CIA. We’re not letting it go to waste.

While Russia may pose the most immediate challenge, China is the bigger long-term threat, and over the past two years, the CIA has been reorganizing itself to reflect that priority. We have started by acknowledging an organizational fact I learned long ago: priorities aren’t real unless budgets reflect them. Accordingly, the CIA has committed substantially more resources toward China-related intelligence collection, operations, and analysis around the world—more than doubling the percentage of our overall budget focused on China over just the last two years. We’re hiring and training more Mandarin speakers while stepping up efforts across the world to compete with China, from Latin America to Africa to the Indo-Pacific.

The CIA has a dozen or so “mission centers,” issue-specific groups that bring together officers from across the agencies’ various directorates. In 2021, we set up a new mission center focused exclusively on China. The only single-country mission center, it provides a central mechanism for coordinating work on China, a job that extends today to every corner of the CIA. And we’re also quietly strengthening intelligence channels to our counterparts in Beijing, an important means of helping policymakers avoid unnecessary misunderstandings and inadvertent collisions between the United States and China.

Even as China and Russia consume much of the CIA’s attention, the agency can’t afford to neglect other challenges, from counterterrorism to regional instability. The successful U.S. strike in Afghanistan in July 2022 against Ayman al-Zawahiri, the co-founder and former leader of al Qaeda, demonstrated that the CIA remains sharply focused on—and retains significant capabilities to combat—terrorist threats. The CIA is also devoting substantial resources to help fight the invasion of fentanyl, the synthetic opioid that kills tens of thousands of Americans every year. And familiar regional challenges loom, not just in places long considered strategically important, such as North Korea and the South China Sea, but also in parts of the world whose geopolitical significance will only grow in the years ahead, such as Latin America and Africa.

quote:

SMARTER SPIES

Meanwhile, we’re transforming our approach to emerging technology. The CIA has been working to blend high-tech tools with age-old techniques for collecting intelligence from individuals—human intelligence, or HUMINT. Technology is, of course, making many aspects of spycraft harder than ever. In an era of smart cities, with video cameras on every street and facial recognition technology increasingly ubiquitous, spying has become much harder. For a CIA officer working overseas in a hostile country, meeting sources who are risking their own safety to offer valuable information, constant surveillance poses an acute threat. But the same technology that sometimes works against the CIA—whether it’s the mining of big data to expose patterns in the agency’s activities or massive camera networks that can track an operative’s every move—can also be made to work for it and against others. The CIA is racing against its rivals to put emerging technologies to use. The agency has appointed its first chief technology officer. And it has established another new mission center focused on building better partnerships with the private sector, where American innovation offers a significant competitive advantage.

The CIA’s in-house scientific and technological talent remains superb. The agency has developed warehouses’ worth of spy gadgetry over the years, my favorite being the Cold War camera designed to look and hover like a dragonfly. The revolution in artificial intelligence, and the avalanche of open-source information alongside what we collect clandestinely, creates historic new opportunities for the CIA’s analysts. We’re developing new AI tools to help digest all that material faster and more efficiently, freeing officers to focus on what they do best: providing reasoned judgments and insights on what matters most to policymakers and what means most for American interests. AI won’t replace human analysts, but it is already empowering them.

[....]

quote:

IN THE SHADOWS

Every day, as I read through cables from stations around the world, travel to foreign capitals, or speak with colleagues at headquarters, I’m reminded of the skill and courage of CIA officers, as well as the unrelenting challenges they face. They are doing hard jobs in hard places. Especially since 9/11, they have been operating at an incredibly fast tempo. Indeed, taking care of the CIA’s mission in this new and daunting era depends on taking care of our people. That’s why the CIA has strengthened its medical resources at headquarters and in the field; improved programs for families, remote workers, and two-career couples; and explored more flexible career paths, especially for technologists, so that officers can move into the private sector and later return to the agency.

We’ve streamlined our recruiting process for new officers. It now takes a quarter of the time it took two years ago to move from application to final offer and security clearance. These improvements have contributed to a surge of interest in the CIA. In 2023, we had more applicants than in any year since the immediate aftermath of 9/11. We’re also working hard to diversify our workforce, reaching historic highs in 2023 in terms of the number of women and minority officers hired, as well as the number promoted into the agency’s most senior ranks.

By necessity, CIA officers operate in the shadows, usually out of sight and out of mind; the risks they take and the sacrifices they make are rarely well understood. At a moment when trust in the United States’ public institutions is often in short supply, the CIA remains a resolutely apolitical institution, bound by the oath I and everyone else at the agency have taken to defend the Constitution and by our obligations under the law.

CIA officers are also bound together by a sense of community, and by a deep, shared commitment to public service at this crucial moment in American history. They know the truth in the advice I got many years ago from my father, who had a distinguished military career. As I was wrestling with what to do with my professional life, he sent me a handwritten note: “Nothing can make you prouder than to serve your country with honor.” That helped launch me into a long and fortunate career in government, first in the Foreign Service and now at the CIA. I’ve never regretted the choice I made. I take enormous pride in serving with thousands of other CIA officers who feel the same about theirs—and are rising to the challenge of a new era.

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Frosted Flake posted:

It’s all been contacted out.

I was listening to an interview with an artilleryman from the 82nd whose battery was reroled to convoy escort in Iraq. After one of their gun trucks was hit by an IED they popped open one of the sea cans in the convoy to see what it was all for, and he said it was full of boxes for Taco Bell and Burger King destined for one of the major bases around Baghdad.

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

love to almost die escorting the Burger King

Owlbear Camus posted:

It is the 19th century. I am getting killed by mountain tribesmen in Afghanistan in service of The King.

It is the 21st century. I am getting killed by mountain tribesmen in Afghanistan in service of The King.

Cerebral Bore posted:

when you're wounded and left on afghanistan's plains
and the burger king convoy is all that remains
just roll to your whopper and blow out your veins
and go to your god like a soldier

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

That's a lot of words to say "its not our fault, don't blame us, this is really hard and the dog ate my homework".

Also: future AI will fix everything. Just like it will fix everything else! AI!

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012


Didn't read

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.
In former CIA agent Doug Laux's Left of Boom, he said that in 2009 the agency didn't even have any Pashtun speakers in Afghanistan, and he found out about some Pakistani general dying before the agency did simply because he could read local newspapers.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




i think china is just gonna sit there and make a paradise while we go more completely insane.

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
given how hollowed out most institutions have become, hard to imagine its any different at the letter agencies

Morbus
May 18, 2004

Cerebral Bore posted:

when you're wounded and left on afghanistan's plains
and the burger king convoy is all that remains
just roll to your whopper and blow out your veins
and go to your god like a soldier

lmao

Danann
Aug 4, 2013


What I'm getting is that a bunch of people are going to fall out of windows in Russia, and it'll out that they're all CIA spies who used the exact same app on their iPhones that got compromised by some MSS trap.

Also good to know that the CIA is so ideologically poisoned that they'll just ignore Russia strengthening its means of production right in front of them.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

BULBASAUR posted:

given how hollowed out most institutions have become, hard to imagine its any different at the letter agencies

CSIS and CSE are also increasingly turning to contractors for nearly everything because Intelligence Officers are public servants with defined benefits and compensation. I can't imagine the American agencies are much different.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Danann posted:

What I'm getting is that a bunch of people are going to fall out of windows in Russia, and it'll out that they're all CIA spies who used the exact same app on their iPhones that got compromised by some MSS trap.

Also good to know that the CIA is so ideologically poisoned that they'll just ignore Russia strengthening its means of production right in front of them.

Trump already leaked the NOC list :chaostrump:

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Danann posted:

What I'm getting is that a bunch of people are going to fall out of windows in Russia, and it'll out that they're all CIA spies who used the exact same app on their iPhones that got compromised by some MSS trap.

Also good to know that the CIA is so ideologically poisoned that they'll just ignore Russia strengthening its means of production right in front of them.

quote:

That tragic and brutish fixation has already brought shame to Russia and exposed its weaknesses, from its one-dimensional economy to its inflated military prowess to its corrupt political system.

the entire west tried to economically obliterate russia using every weapon available and it simply shrugged it off as the slap of a paper tiger it was

anyway it's russias economy thats one dimensional

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Real hurthling! posted:

i think china is just gonna sit there and make a paradise while we go more completely insane.

Doesn't need to be paradise just better than what we're offering. I.e. nothing but declining living standards, high inflation, no home ownership, no future, cyberpunk without the cool cybernetics.

Not a high bar to cross lets be honest.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

skooma512 posted:

Trump already leaked the NOC list :chaostrump:

It's called declassifying when head honchos do it. It's only a leak when you or I do it.

FirstnameLastname
Jul 10, 2022

Danann posted:

What I'm getting is that a bunch of people are going to fall out of windows in Russia, and it'll out that they're all CIA spies who used the exact same app on their iPhones that got compromised by some MSS trap.

Also good to know that the CIA is so ideologically poisoned that they'll just ignore Russia strengthening its means of production right in front of them.

they have been paranoid hunting leakers since their formation thinking they're being Outspied and need to crank up the paranoia when it's just them doing coke and never noticing how Not Subtle they are

thechosenone
Mar 21, 2009

quote:

That tragic and brutish fixation has already brought shame to America and exposed its weaknesses, from its one-dimensional economy to its inflated military prowess to its corrupt political system.

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
Effeminate upper class British voice: Those brutish Russians!

Pomeroy
Apr 20, 2020

Frosted Flake posted:

It's funny that Warhammer Fantasy is more committed to the parallel and so has the not-Americas populated by lizardmen. LotR was content to say that the Columbian Exchange had already taken place or never been required.

always appreciated that they wrote not-North America to be ruled by the most gratuitously vile, arrogant, vicious slavedrivers in the setting, who broke away from the previous world empire, and now despoil every place with a coastline from massive warships that resemble floating cities.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




yeah the warhammer guys get props for admitting brits are not human

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

FirstnameLastname posted:

they have been paranoid hunting leakers since their formation thinking they're being Outspied and need to crank up the paranoia when it's just them doing coke and never noticing how Not Subtle they are

trump getting intelligence briefings out in the open at mar a lago was the funniest poo poo and i can't wait for it to happen again

PawParole
Nov 16, 2019

NeoCons wanting to invade Iran

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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7s5pT3Rris

Z the IVth
Jan 28, 2009

The trouble with your "expendable machines"
Fun Shoe

Pomeroy posted:

always appreciated that they wrote not-North America to be ruled by the most gratuitously vile, arrogant, vicious slavedrivers in the setting, who broke away from the previous world empire, and now despoil every place with a coastline from massive warships that resemble floating cities.

Strictly speaking isn't Naggaroth not-Canada?

ro5s
Dec 27, 2012

A happy little mouse!

Z the IVth posted:

Strictly speaking isn't Naggaroth not-Canada?

in terms of description it’s all frozen wastes but on the maps it’s all of not north america

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Question for the thread, what's America's most MICbrain war in recent history? What is the war that make the lease sense even if you win it, that has the lowest potential return to actual cost ratio?

If I just simple compare the geopolitical importance of Korean peninsula/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan regions, Vietnam's geopolitical important is just way lower than Afghan and Korea. Even if you win the war, you only hold the lower plain area of Indochina peninsula. You cold war opponent can still easier attack you from the Laos mountains and easily cut it off from the narrow middle. And you win it to defend what? Thailand? The whole domino theory is just a dumb pitch to keep the MIC money rolling. And to top it off, that was before American switched from gold standard to a debt-based monetary policy, the US dollar was real money back in the 60s and 70s. If you tell me the US government in the 60s was controlled by "Sons of Patriots" secret society, I'd believe it.

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

Real hurthling! posted:

yeah the warhammer guys get props for admitting brits are not human

The humans suck in warhammer

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

stephenthinkpad posted:

Question for the thread, what's America's most MICbrain war in recent history? What is the war that make the lease sense even if you win it, that has the lowest potential return to actual cost ratio?

If I just simple compare the geopolitical importance of Korean peninsula/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan regions, Vietnam's geopolitical important is just way lower than Afghan and Korea. Even if you win the war, you only hold the lower plain area of Indochina peninsula. You cold war opponent can still easier attack you from the Laos mountains and easily cut it off from the narrow middle. And you win it to defend what? Thailand? The whole domino theory is just a dumb pitch to keep the MIC money rolling. And to top it off, that was before American switched from gold standard to a debt-based monetary policy, the US dollar was real money back in the 60s and 70s. If you tell me the US government in the 60s was controlled by "Sons of Patriots" secret society, I'd believe it.

The decades long support of the Khmer Rouge because we wanted to keep the Vietnam War going is high up on the list. Look up who the US supported to hold Cambodia's UN seat as late as 1993.

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

Real hurthling! posted:

yeah the warhammer guys get props for admitting brits are not human

isn’t Britain in warhammer a land of subhuman swampmen who have less lore than warhammer China did before the total war games

dk2m
May 6, 2009

stephenthinkpad posted:

Question for the thread, what's America's most MICbrain war in recent history? What is the war that make the lease sense even if you win it, that has the lowest potential return to actual cost ratio?

If I just simple compare the geopolitical importance of Korean peninsula/Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan regions, Vietnam's geopolitical important is just way lower than Afghan and Korea. Even if you win the war, you only hold the lower plain area of Indochina peninsula. You cold war opponent can still easier attack you from the Laos mountains and easily cut it off from the narrow middle. And you win it to defend what? Thailand? The whole domino theory is just a dumb pitch to keep the MIC money rolling. And to top it off, that was before American switched from gold standard to a debt-based monetary policy, the US dollar was real money back in the 60s and 70s. If you tell me the US government in the 60s was controlled by "Sons of Patriots" secret society, I'd believe it.

Just wanted to comment on the gold backed side of this.

Michael Hudson’s insight in Superimperialism is that spending US dollars overseas primarily was done through military spending, both direct in terms of actively fighting a war in the case of Korea onwards, and the American occupation of states like Japan and Germany.

Those dollars were “convertible”, meaning it could be traded for gold by foreign governments who received dollars. However, due to the U.S. essentially supplying raw material to the world post-WW2, governments needed dollars to pay for US goods - thus, it was useful to keep dollars on hand rather than gold, which would just go back to the U.S. anyway for raw materials. It’s a huge oversimplification, but that’s one of the early factors that led to a dollarized world economy, and led to the phrase of the “dollar being good as gold”.

By Vietnam, this situation became undone. As Hudson says, France recognized the hegemony that the U.S. had, and because fighting the Vietnam war was extremely costly, the dollars entering French Indochina banks were being regularly sent back to the U.S. to be converted to gold. By depleting the U.S. gold reserves, this put immense pressure on USD, driving it downwards. One of the more interesting dynamics of Vietnam was reaction of Wall Street - they locked hands with anti-war protestors to protest the erosion of sovereignty happening due to the immense cost of the war - opposed to that were the trade unions who were benefitting from the MIC ramp up

https://amp.theguardian.com/theguardian/2012/oct/16/wall-st-bankers-against-vietnam-war-1969-archive

quote:

Bankers join forces with hippies and folk singers against the Vietnam war

Wall Street stopped today, filled from end to end and bank to bank with thousands of protesters chanting "peace now" in a cavernous cry which echoed off the skyscrapers. In front of the barred doors of the US Treasury, the protesters heard business leaders, lawyers, and bankers join with hippies and folk singers to roar: "We shall overcome." They heard the Wall Street attorney, who organised it all, shout: "Wall Street is not afraid of peace."

It was not the biggest of the 600 or more demonstrations in the New York area (that prize went early in the evening to Bryant Park and a crowd of at least 100,000, blacking central rush-hour traffic for miles around). But it was the most dramatic and perhaps symbolic. There was one slight hint of chaos as super-patriots from the Steam Fitters Union barged through the throng waving the Star Spangled Banner, but there was good humour throughout.

Between the draft, immense unpopularity, unwinnable goals and then finally, the main impetus to remove the U.S. from the gold standard so the French would stop doing their run on us, it might be one of the stupidest wars. We also lost, so there’s that

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Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

PawParole posted:

NeoCons wanting to invade Iran



I'm generally a pro-dog guy, but the dog in this photo...it has bad vibes. A really hosed up dog.

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