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Arrath posted:The only thing I don't like is the underbite air dam. The rest is decent to good. Honestly, I think the front spoiler is ok, but the bumper is just so huge and terrible that it makes the spoiler look bad too. I don't know if it was new crash standards in '74 or what, but the bumpers are just horrendous.
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The real problem with the Mustang II, visually is that the wheel wells are too small and the wheelbase is too short.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:The RX3 has such a great looking face, the headlight and grille setup are top tier. The entire Mazda line of cars in that era looked pretty good. They did the best they could with the taller (but still "short" by American standards) sedans, starting from a more Italian than American perspective on the whole thing, and blending in more and more muscle car influence in as time went on. By the mid-70's, many of their cars looked very Chysler-Dodgey, with a bit of British mixed in. The coupes always looked better in whatever form Mazda chose, IMO. I don't know about the rest of the world, but the early export Mazdas disappeared very quickly in the US. BG Familia/323s seemed to stick around forever though, especially in 3-door form. Less said about the early 80s Mazdas, the better. Imma do it anyways. My parents had a beat-to-hell $500 BD that lasted far longer than it should have. Totaled after a parking lot fender-bender, due to rust, after three years and 20,000 miles of mostly trouble free duty. The heater never worked, the tail lights worked half the time, and it dropped fourth gear after one year. If you could stand the cold, the dark, and the noise, it worked perfectly fine. For $500. My dad figured that the previous owners so hated how it looked that the thing was a winter beater from new.
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Safety standards ruined so many chrome bumpers in the 70's
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The Door Frame posted:Safety standards ruined so many chrome bumpers in the 70's drat you Ralph Nader!!!!!
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Raluek posted:id rather have a V8 pinto, tbh Apparently, to at least one person out there, the Mustang II was just the epitome of mustang design language until the 5th gens came out. Gotta have those round headlights and a hood that scoops air into the gaping maw! 
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NoWake posted:Apparently, to at least one person out there, the Mustang II was just the epitome of mustang design language until the 5th gens came out. Gotta have those round headlights and a hood that scoops air into the gaping maw! To be fair if you wanted to show a Mustang design lineage that ends in the retro styled ones then leaving out the Fox/SN95 years would make it look more cohesive...
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I think they missed a few mustangs there
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christ, the 70 is the only attractive one there (the '15 looks like a V6). i guess the 65 is notable for being the first, even if it wasn't one of the cool ones why the 65 instead of a 67 or 68? why a 70 instead of a 69? skipped the fox body and new edge, which are handsome in their own ways. weird collection
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Any former animorphs dorks ITT? Anybody read The Andalite Chronicles as a kid and remember the part where the space centaur protag and his human girlfriend use the time matrix to escape a black hole and live on earth for a number of years (and become Tobias’ parents) and he drives a Mustang and drinks lots of Dr Pepper? And then Space Gandalf/Q/God? shows up and is like “you’re not a human, you’re not supposed to be here” and he turns him back into a centaur and sends him back to his home planet to fight the yeerks and then eventually end up back on earth dying and giving his long-lost son the power to morph and also accidentally become a bird forever? Anyway what model/generation Mustang do you think he drove?
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Nitrox posted:I think they missed a few mustangs there It’s like how VW talks about its history. They tend to skip around a bit at the beginning. For instance, their original logo 
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Raluek posted:i guess the 65 is notable for being the first, even if it wasn't one of the cool ones I'm not a Mustang guy in any way, shape or form but the 65 non-fastback is the poo poo. Great looking car.
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trilobite terror posted:Any former animorphs dorks ITT? Anybody read The Andalite Chronicles as a kid and remember the part where the space centaur protag and his human girlfriend use the time matrix to escape a black hole and live on earth for a number of years (and become Tobias’ parents) and he drives a Mustang and drinks lots of Dr Pepper? Oh my god I'm never going to be able to unthink this question
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I think the 1970 looks the best on that lineup tbh.
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That Works posted:I think the 1970 looks the best on that lineup tbh. easily
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more cybertrukkk fun terribleness from an inside source: containment hold for ~250 pre-delivery VINs to inspect the steering column control module harness for soft set/improperly seated connections. that's an especially fun cock-up when you remember this new turd is steer by wire. lol. lmao.
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trilobite terror posted:Any former animorphs dorks ITT? Anybody read The Andalite Chronicles as a kid and remember the part where the space centaur protag and his human girlfriend use the time matrix to escape a black hole and live on earth for a number of years (and become Tobias’ parents) and he drives a Mustang and drinks lots of Dr Pepper? he drove one as a centaur on some alien planet didnt he? it'd been abducted from earth by some alien trinket collectors and he tore out the seats to be able to drive it as a centaur? probably the same as that one.
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trilobite terror posted:Any former animorphs dorks ITT? Anybody read The Andalite Chronicles as a kid and remember the part where the space centaur protag and his human girlfriend use the time matrix to escape a black hole and live on earth for a number of years (and become Tobias’ parents) and he drives a Mustang and drinks lots of Dr Pepper? I hard-quit Animorphs with the first mention of someone named 'Tobias'. Every Tobias in my childhood was the most weird rear end in a top hat ever. And he would bite you.
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Was the Mustang 2 actually worse than the other malaise era pony cars? The biggest flaw with the Mustang 2 is mistaking the auto trader listings for a fahv hunert horsepowah first gen mustang before realizing the disappointing net horsepower numbers.
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trilobite terror posted:Any former animorphs dorks ITT? Anybody read The Andalite Chronicles as a kid and remember the part where the space centaur protag and his human girlfriend use the time matrix to escape a black hole and live on earth for a number of years (and become Tobias’ parents) and he drives a Mustang and drinks lots of Dr Pepper? First gen for sure, since a Ford Falcon would have been too on the nose
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Not Wolverine posted:Was the Mustang 2 actually worse than the other malaise era pony cars? The biggest flaw with the Mustang 2 is mistaking the auto trader listings for a fahv hunert horsepowah first gen mustang before realizing the disappointing net horsepower numbers. no, it's mostly a people being pissed off that a malaise car got the mustang name and a bit of the "New Coke" thing too. the chassis and suspension were actually pretty good and the front suspension components frequently got stolen later in life and used in race cars. it's why you never saw them even fairly quickly after they were phased out
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coupedeville posted:more cybertrukkk fun terribleness from an inside source: containment hold for ~250 pre-delivery VINs to inspect the steering column control module harness for soft set/improperly seated connections. that's an especially fun cock-up when you remember this new turd is steer by wire. lol. lmao. I'm still waiting for NHTSA crash-test results for the Cyberfuck. All I've seen is the in-house crash test that was terrible.
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Darchangel posted:I'm still waiting for NHTSA crash-test results for the Cyberfuck. All I've seen is the in-house crash test that was terrible. dont you have to do those before you're allowed to sell a vehicle?
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Large Testicles posted:dont you have to do those before you're allowed to sell a vehicle? Nah, give it a slap and send it. EVs are the golden children right now with the current administration. They get quite a pass.
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Large Testicles posted:dont you have to do those before you're allowed to sell a vehicle? Isn't it a certain volume of cars sold for a full NHTSA test series? I've never seen a Pagani crash test, and I don't think they'd do super well, with them being so low and light
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Large Testicles posted:dont you have to do those before you're allowed to sell a vehicle? I thought so, but I guess not. edit: Hmmmm..... https://mgaresearch.com/news/fmvss-...r%20road%20use. quote:Side impact collisions and off-the-road crashes are some of the deadliest types of car accidents one can experience. In fact, according to the National Safety Council, angle collisions alone caused over 9,000 deaths in the U.S. in 2021. To address this issue, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) 214 mandates two crash test requirements that passenger cars and light trucks must satisfy to demonstrate their safety before being authorized for road use. edit again: https://www.consumerreports.org/car-safety/some-cars-will-never-be-crash-tested-crash-test-ratings/ quote:To be certified for sale, every new model sold in the U.S. must be crash-tested internally to ensure minimum federal safety standards are met. But a publicly available rating isn't required. Fascinating. They have to be tested... but they can test them themselves and just... trust it? Darchangel fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Feb 2, 2024 |
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Darchangel posted:
You bet we tested it! The records are over there behind that bag of money.
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Large Testicles posted:no, it's mostly a people being pissed off that a malaise car got the mustang name and a bit of the "New Coke" thing too. the chassis and suspension were actually pretty good and the front suspension components frequently got stolen later in life and used in race cars. it's why you never saw them even fairly quickly after they were phased out
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Darchangel posted:
Works well for Boeing.
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Darchangel posted:Fascinating. They have to be tested... but they can test them themselves and just... trust it? Ugh. We need to put cars through the same testing we give to airplanes. Wait... E:F,B
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Darchangel posted:I thought so, but I guess not. Yes. And if it's found out later that it didn't actually pass, every single one will have to be recalled and fixed. There's a pretty good incentive to be honest about it. The NHTSA does not have the budget or resources to do all the testing themselves.
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Not Wolverine posted:I would agree with the "New Coke" argument if they had done something significant like changed it to a front wheel drive car or added a lot more seating/weight etc. The Mach-E shouldn't have the Mustang name because it's part SUV, but is there much else different about a Mustang 2 besides horsepower ratings? Regarding the front suspension, isn't it the same suspension used on the Ford Pinto? Similarly, correct me if I am wrong, but the Pinto could have a been just as safe as any other malaise era compact car if Ford bean counters had not decided that settling lawsuits was slightly cheaper than the fixing the design flaw. They started with a pinto and then replaced everything but the trunk floor pan for the mustang II apparently. I don't believe that entirely but apparently it only shared the trunk floor pan by the time they were done with the design.
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I definitely remember seeing a poo poo load more rusted out 70s era Camaros and fewer but still more Firebirds and Transams back in the 80s and early 90s than I did Mustang IIs, but I figure at least part of that was they only sold those Mustangs for 4 or 5 model years vs the entire decade for the F bodies. In fact, I don't think I ever remember seeing a Mustang II back then until I saw the guy from Degrassi had one, that might be when I started noticing them. But like 3 out of 5 freakers in the 80s and early 90s seemed to have a poo poo era Camaro jacked up in the back, with rusted out rocker panels and a hole in the exhaust. And traction bars. They all had traction bars. Don't know if that was a factory thing, but if it wasn't they all had them.
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It was not a factory thing. Adding traction bars to everything was a rite of passage.
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Tesla can't even make a hub cap properly https://jalopnik.com/tesla-cybertruck-s-aero-wheel-covers-are-chewing-up-the-1851218721 quote:Tesla Cybertruck’s Aero Wheel Covers Are Chewing Up The Custom Tires, Will Likely Get Redesigned
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Deteriorata posted:The NHTSA does not have the budget or resources to do all the testing themselves. Nor do they have the budget or resources to enforce any of their regulations.
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Galler posted:Tesla can't even make a hub cap properly lmao I dunno what else to say. it's just deeply hilarious that this thing was just not tested, at all I love it. Move fast and break things is a dumb idea when applied to software engineering, but let's see how it plays out in regards to multi-ton death traps
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Colostomy Bag posted:It was not a factory thing. My brother had a beat up 79 Firechicken (circa late 80s) with a gutless wonder that was the 301, vice grips for a shifter and massive rear slicks that were beyond bald. Can confirm above is true.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I'm not a Mustang guy in any way, shape or form but the 65 non-fastback is the poo poo. Great looking car. 67 is better in every way, though Not Wolverine posted:Was the Mustang 2 actually worse than the other malaise era pony cars? The biggest flaw with the Mustang 2 is mistaking the auto trader listings for a fahv hunert horsepowah first gen mustang before realizing the disappointing net horsepower numbers. the main thing, at least for me, is that it's ugly as poo poo. compare to a late 2nd gen f-body, for example. while they're not pretty, they still look like camaros and firebirds. the mustangii is wonky but not in a charming way. some might say it's because they tried shrinking it and modernizing the chassis, but imo that's orthogonal to the styling choices. for an example of how to do it right, near and dear to my heart, look at a 79 AMX (spirit) vs a 71-74 AMX (javelin). basically a whole new car wearing the name-badge of the previous champ, and smaller and 80s-ier to boot, just like the mustangii. but critically, it doesnt have a bunch of unnecessary body lines all over the place, or a terrible grille/bumper situation up front. e: just realized that my idea of "do[ing] it right" is basically the fox body. i guess they had to get the mustangii out of their system before they could design something halfway decent. or maybe the poor reception of the mustangii was the wake-up call to un-gently caress things with the fox? Raluek fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Feb 3, 2024 |
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When you write “mustangii” it feels like you’re writing it in Latin and pluralizing it.
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