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M_Gargantua posted:Do we have any idea of the timeline of the two shows? Feels like Helluva Boss takes place after this. That's the simplest explanation, since there's no hint of the exterminations in HB, and none of the Goetia in Hazbin.
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Madurai posted:That's the simplest explanation, since there's no hint of the exterminations in HB, and none of the Goetia in Hazbin. Yeah, the closest thing to angels the HB gang have ever encountered thus far were a trio of cherubs (and sinners getting wiped out on a regular basis feels like it’d be bad for their business) so it stands to reason that at the very least the former takes place sometime after the first season of the latter
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# ? Feb 3, 2024 22:42 |
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Funky Valentine posted:Maybe Hell's population problem would be solved if more Sinners moved from Pride and I dunno worked on a ranch in Wrath or something. Isn't where the the Helluva Boss crew on a whole different ring, fairly sure they are. Sinners go there to hire them, so that would mean they can move around.
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# ? Feb 3, 2024 23:35 |
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The Last Call posted:Isn't where the the Helluva Boss crew on a whole different ring, fairly sure they are. I could have sworn IMP’s headquarters was stationed in the Pride Ring as well but I might be wrong
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# ? Feb 3, 2024 23:37 |
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IMP headquarters, and IMP Town, and Stolas' mansion are all in the Pride Ring. A sign in one IMP City shot seems to imply there's multiple layers to the Pride Ring, but they've never gone over how that works, and Helluva Boss has had Sinners go to the IMP office. It's possible the IMP building is in the part of the pride ring Sinnners can't leave and places like their apartments and Stolas' mansion are in another Sinner off-limits section, but they've never gone over it. All we know 100% is that Sinners can't leave pride (my own pet theory though is that both Lilith and Alastor have been outside of Pride before). I also wonder what would happen if a Sinner got a hold of an asmodeus crystal or Stolas' book, would they be able to use the portal to go to earth? Would they be able to go to earth then portal to a different ring? These are questions that will probably not be answered of course cause they don't really matter too much.
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# ? Feb 3, 2024 23:54 |
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Macaluso posted:IMP headquarters, and IMP Town, and Stolas' mansion are all in the Pride Ring. A sign in one IMP City shot seems to imply there's multiple layers to the Pride Ring, but they've never gone over how that works, and Helluva Boss has had Sinners go to the IMP office. It's possible the IMP building is in the part of the pride ring Sinnners can't leave and places like their apartments and Stolas' mansion are in another Sinner off-limits section, but they've never gone over it. All we know 100% is that Sinners can't leave pride (my own pet theory though is that both Lilith and Alastor have been outside of Pride before). I also wonder what would happen if a Sinner got a hold of an asmodeus crystal or Stolas' book, would they be able to use the portal to go to earth? Would they be able to go to earth then portal to a different ring? These are questions that will probably not be answered of course cause they don't really matter too much. I mean based on the finale we now know that Lillith isn’t in hell at all currently (though as Lucifer’s wife she probably got special privileges)
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# ? Feb 3, 2024 23:59 |
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Madurai posted:That's the simplest explanation, since there's no hint of the exterminations in HB, and none of the Goetia in Hazbin. There's a reference in episode 7 of season one when Blitzo is reading the newspaper there's a picture of an exorcist angel in there next to an article. Since Hellborn are exempt from the exterminations they likely could give less of a poo poo about what's happening in the pride ring.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 00:35 |
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So apparently the answer is they are in the pride ring, but in the second circle. I have no idea what the second circle exactly means.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 00:46 |
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The Last Call posted:So apparently the answer is they are in the pride ring, but in the second circle. They need to update the structure of the rings I think.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:03 |
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Flopsy posted:They need to update the structure of the rings I think. Rings and circles are different things. Hell is divided into 7 rings. The Pride ring is divided into 9 circles. Pentagram City is one of those rings.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:07 |
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Adder Moray posted:Rings and circles are different things. Hell is divided into 7 rings. The Pride ring is divided into 9 circles. Pentagram City is one of those rings. I don't think they are. From what I've read, there's 7 circles to hell, named after the 7 deadly sins. Human souls cannot leave Pride at all. IMP is in the Pride ring (hence the ability for humans to hire them), but not in Pentagram city. However, pretty sure the exterminators only focus on human souls, which means two things: None of the other rings (other than Pride) is affected, and this is why Blitz and crew are not concerned. If anything, they can just leave Pride until the extermination is over, then head back. There are no rings/circles in Pride, just overpopulated cities, which is why exterminating is so easy there. Most of this is from https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Pride_Ring, but I haven't seen anything to counter this. I think there is speculation that there USED to be 9 layers/rings/circles of hell, but two are gone.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:42 |
Maybe rings go outwards but circles go up and down, so like the sinners are restricted to the center ring of each circle but the worst of them can be buried deep
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:45 |
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M_Gargantua posted:Maybe rings go outwards but circles go up and down, so like the sinners are restricted to the center ring of each circle but the worst of them can be buried deep They're very specific that sinners only exist in Pride, and nowhere else in hell.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:49 |
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Gothmog1065 posted:There are no rings/circles in Pride, just overpopulated cities, which is why exterminating is so easy there. Most of this is from https://hazbinhotel.fandom.com/wiki/Pride_Ring, but I haven't seen anything to counter this. I think there is speculation that there USED to be 9 layers/rings/circles of hell, but two are gone.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 01:59 |
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I wonder what Lucifer thinks of the Hellborn. I imagine he has a somewhat better opinion of them than the Sinners as he didn't need to include the rest of them in the exclusion deal he got for Charlie, but did.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 02:03 |
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It would be nice to see some explanation in the show on how/why sinners are limited to the Pride ring. Like are the physically unable to leave, or just forbidden from doing it? Is the rule set by Lucifer and the Sins? Is it to protect the rest of the inhabitants of hell from sinners and/or limit the damage of the exterminations? It's not really something that needs an explanation, but from a worldbuilding perspective I find it curious how sinners, that traditionally would be the primary inhabitants and focus of hell, are in this world more of an annoyance that are confined to only a small part of it. Are there any legal hurdles that prevent elements of Helluva Boss from crossing over into Hazbin? It would suck if the Sins that we've seen so far in HB can't be brought over into Hazbin for at least one display of them all together with Lucifer the circus leader.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 02:15 |
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Viridiant posted:I wonder what Lucifer thinks of the Hellborn. I imagine he has a somewhat better opinion of them than the Sinners as he didn't need to include the rest of them in the exclusion deal he got for Charlie, but did. I do get vibes that despite what we hear hear about Hell's history, it was quite possibly a place doing its own thing before Lucifer and the Sins (and possibly the Goetia; given the brief shot of Sera and Emily as very Goetia-like birds, I get the feeling they're among the angelic host that fell with Lucifer and thus technically the same species) and was basically Lucifer's consolation prize for being kicked out of Heaven, with him having conquered the place and the Sins being his colonial viceroys. Maybe some were around there since before the Fall, quite possibly Satan was the former head honcho who got displaced by Lucifer, hence the confusion for mortals.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 02:28 |
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Njashi9 posted:It would be nice to see some explanation in the show on how/why sinners are limited to the Pride ring. Like are the physically unable to leave, or just forbidden from doing it? Is the rule set by Lucifer and the Sins? Is it to protect the rest of the inhabitants of hell from sinners and/or limit the damage of the exterminations? Mostly Voice Actor stuff I would expect, it's why I think any voice actor that is on both shows would allow any of their characters in either. Kesha might be a problem to get back for Beelzebub, but that's true no matter where they use her. I think Lucifer in HB is more likely than the Sins in Hazbin, but either direction seems the most plausible. As for the limitation thing, I think protecting the rest of hell from Sinners sort of makes sense, Sinners can only be permanently killed with Angelic Weapons, but most hellborn demons die when they are killed. So if Sinners, especially overlords, could go to other rings they'd start to take over from the existing hellborn just due to the partial power imbalance. The Seven Sins and Geotia can't be everywhere, and we've seen some of them (Mammon, Stella and her Brother) don't give a poo poo about lesser Hellborn anyway. Imagine an Overlord in Greed who could keep Mammon happy and thus is allowed to be EVEN WORSE than they already are.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 02:30 |
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Lord_Magmar posted:Mostly Voice Actor stuff I would expect, it's why I think any voice actor that is on both shows would allow any of their characters in either. Kesha might be a problem to get back for Beelzebub, but that's true no matter where they use her. I think Lucifer in HB is more likely than the Sins in Hazbin, but either direction seems the most plausible. I've always seen it as like introducing an invasive species into a closed ecosystem. Sinners would thrive yes but at the expense of the native species.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 02:43 |
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New Official art:
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 03:14 |
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They're in Double Hell.
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Flopsy posted:I've always seen it as like introducing an invasive species into a closed ecosystem. Sinners would thrive yes but at the expense of the native species. And the hellborn wouldn't have anywhere to hide from the not particularly discriminate Exterminators. Kinda funny that Pentagram City looks almost like a self-contained place, but apparently surrounded by craggy uninhabitable wasteland. I wonder if the big pentagram reflection in the sky serves to keep it remotely habitable. If the Goetia are actually fallen Seraphim, then we haven't seen any Hellborn that are actually native species to Pride, like imps to Wrath or hounds to Gluttony.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And the hellborn wouldn't have anywhere to hide from the not particularly discriminate Exterminators. It’s entirely possible there AREN’T any and the Pride Ring is mostly for Sinners and fallen angels (it’s Lucifer’s home turf after all)
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 04:02 |
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So Lilith has a regular human nose, Lucifer has no nose at all, and Charlie splits the difference by having a tiny anime nose.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 04:12 |
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Also would make a lot of sense that Pride is all overpopulated cities if it's otherwise literally all uninhabitable wasteland.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 04:32 |
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My question is where do the Hellborn come from and why? We have Charlie's explanation in the beginning, but they get 6 of the 7 circles and just seems odd. Ghost Leviathan posted:I do get vibes that despite what we hear hear about Hell's history, it was quite possibly a place doing its own thing before Lucifer and the Sins (and possibly the Goetia; given the brief shot of Sera and Emily as very Goetia-like birds, I get the feeling they're among the angelic host that fell with Lucifer and thus technically the same species) and was basically Lucifer's consolation prize for being kicked out of Heaven, with him having conquered the place and the Sins being his colonial viceroys. Maybe some were around there since before the Fall, quite possibly Satan was the former head honcho who got displaced by Lucifer, hence the confusion for mortals. I'm wondering if this would somehow correlate to the 'evil' that was introduced in Charlie's story. Interesting, is there somewhere that explains how many 'circles' there are, or is 9 assumed?
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Gothmog1065 posted:My question is where do the Hellborn come from and why? We have Charlie's explanation in the beginning, but they get 6 of the 7 circles and just seems odd. The Hellborn are just, native to Hell apparently. Nine is assumed because "The Nine Circles of Hell" is a thing in some extended ideas about hell already.
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Rand Brittain posted:So Lilith has a regular human nose, Lucifer has no nose at all, and Charlie splits the difference by having a tiny anime nose. Lucifer = Krillin.
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MonsieurChoc posted:Lucifer = Krillin. He is short and his wife his hot and blonde.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 06:33 |
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I did get Vegeta vibes from Adam.
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Funky Valentine posted:He is short and his wife his hot and blonde. Also he has an adorable daughter and works as an authority figure of some kind Larryb fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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And he's obsessed with
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I did get Vegeta vibes from Adam. If Adam respawns in Hell wearing a BADMAN shirt the entire trip will have been worth it.
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Funky Valentine posted:If Adam respawns in Hell wearing a BADMAN shirt the entire trip will have been worth it. I think we're all gunning for Adam to come back as a demon just so he can get some humble pie crammed down his throat.
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Flopsy posted:I think we're all gunning for Adam to come back as a demon just so he can get some humble pie crammed down his throat. To be honest, I'd worry that he'd fit in too well. Which would also be very Vegeta.
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 06:58 |
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Plus, someone with an attitude like his will probably get his rear end kicked hard and on the regular down in hell so hopefully he respawns as a Sinner if only for the comedy value (and maybe eventually Charlie can try redeeming him though much like Alastor it’d likely be a hard sell) Or as mentioned it’s equally possible he could fit in all too well
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 06:59 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:To be honest, I'd worry that he'd fit in too well. Which would also be very Vegeta. ANGEL DUST: So, Adam's living here now? That's neat. HUSK: The angel single-handedly responsible for murdering millions of souls is taking a shower in the other room. "Neat" is not the first word that comes to mind.
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The Last Call posted:New Official art: Blue eyes. Technically she never died, right?
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# ? Feb 4, 2024 07:23 |
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On second watchthrough I noticed that Razzle (and/or Dazzle) get a gold monument opposite Sir Pentious' painting.
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Madurai posted:On second watchthrough I noticed that Razzle (and/or Dazzle) get a gold monument opposite Sir Pentious' painting. It's Dazzle. Charlie's spurs Razzle onwards by name while riding him.
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