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so hating a tory is pointless because its just a person reasonably following their unfortunately mistaken belief system
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Feb 4, 2024 01:14
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Perhaps its a continuing failing of mine to try and explain things like how someone might see a situation differently or be acting on different information, and that doesn't necessarily excuse, condone or vilify their actions.
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Feb 4, 2024 01:14
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No, hating things is frequently the product of experiencing them. And the emotional reaction serves as a motivator, if you hate something you will try to avoid or otherwise get it out of your life, which will make you happier.
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Feb 4, 2024 01:16
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So not in any effort to improve the world, just to feel a bit better? Hmmm not sure about this world view.
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Feb 4, 2024 01:21
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The point of improving the world is so that people feel better living in it. That is also the primary metric by which we should judge "improvement".
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Feb 4, 2024 01:29
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jaete posted:Ok wait, so this Sinn Fein leader became first minister of Northern Ireland just now? See e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/feb/03/northern-ireland-government-to-reconvene-after-two-year-dup-boycott Sinn Fein became the largest political party a while back, so they got the role of First Minister, with Deputy First Minister going to the DUP. The roles are equal, but the DUP in the past insisted that one should have a subservient Deputy name because the idea of equality was hostile to their views. Now they have the Deputy position and they're not all that happy about it. The Irish Sea Border is a non-entity issue dreamt up as some kind of excuse for the DUP to avoid going into government with a Sinn Fein First Minister. In reality if they hadn't agreed to resume the NI Assembly they would have been facing a new election for NI MLAs that would have eroded their electoral mandate even further. Northern Ireland has never been in full regulatory alignment with the rest of the UK. From 1921-1973 Northern Ireland had substantive checks on the Irish Sea Border with GB, including checks on goods entering NI, limited freedom of movement for GB nationals wanting to work in NI, different tariffs for NI goods going to Ireland compared to GB goods destined for the same. When Ireland and the UK joined the EEC in 1973 it resulted in a normalisation of trade and the removal of much of the Irish Sea border, although even then there were still many checks left in place - mostly around agriculture and phyto-sanitary checks that helped NI remain mostly immune from various disease outbreaks that hit GB agriculture. UK membership of the European Union was enormously important for allowing free movement of goods across the Irish Sea border, as it promoted frictionless trade and open markets. But since it also enabled borderless movement of goods between Ireland and NI the DUP, being the utter shower of incompetent cunts that they are, have never been in favour of it.
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Feb 4, 2024 02:04
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NotJustANumber99 posted:ok. but if you are saying a person literally thinks everything is fine, then you can't use their lack of action to solve or improve a situation they don't realise is bad as a reason to call them evil. I can, and do. e; Just saying but if I was a Unionist I'd probably be thinking it's time to talk to the Nats about laying the groundwork for a reunification that enshrines my constituents' rights and makes sure they won't get hard done by in a predominately Catholic country, sorts out things like making sure Antrim and Down get a fair share of the national funding that's pegged as a minimum percentage or something, and discussing whether there should be a requirement for a certain number of seats in the Oireachtas to go to Protestants (and if such a thing is even possible). What I wouldn't do is dig my heels in and have a great big orange peesh all over myself until the whole affair passes me by and we default to a Reunification that doesn't need to take much account of my terms. Ms Adequate fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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Feb 4, 2024 03:05
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Tories planning for two back-to-back general elections:quote:Tory party strategists are privately planning for two general elections in quick succession amid a growing belief that the first result could be tighter than national opinion polls suggest, i has been told. https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-planning-for-two-back-to-back-general-elections-2888082 (paywalled - you can unpaywall it in archive.ph where it has been saved).
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Feb 4, 2024 03:37
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kingturnip posted:The system my service uses will effectively lock you out of saving anything if the network is interrupted while you're using it. High five EPIC buddy? Great when you're onsite but a big problem when you're relying on a dodgy 4g dongle on your ancient trust laptop.
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Feb 4, 2024 07:26
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:Tories planning for two back-to-back general elections: I genuinely believe Labour wont landslide it. By the point the election comes around Kiers utter nothing personality and consistent flip flops will have been really weaponised against him. I think they'll still win, but we'll have considerably more independents/green/lib dems and the Tories wont lose as much. And I would add to be very careful with what you say about Plymouth Brethren online. They are notoriously litigous, particularly the Hales.
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Feb 4, 2024 08:00
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NotJustANumber99 posted:so hating a tory is pointless because its just a person reasonably following their unfortunately mistaken belief system As well as what Owl said, experiencing a hostile reaction to one's statements often causes people to reconsider or at least tone down their expression of horrid views, which is good for everyone.
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Feb 4, 2024 08:11
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NotJustANumber99 posted:So they aren't evil they just have a different understanding of how things work?
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Feb 4, 2024 09:28
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It's very confusing to come on here first thing & see everyone responding sincerely to NJAN99's standard posting
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Feb 4, 2024 09:44
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I hate tories, as any trans person who values their rights should. Labour too. gently caress em! May they boil in piss
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Feb 4, 2024 09:46
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I just wish there was a trans positive party, or at the very least a not actively transphobic one. How are the Greens doing at the moment? Last I paid attention there were still a lot of guardian types with 'valid concerns' hanging about near the top. Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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Feb 4, 2024 10:07
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smellmycheese posted:lol. Lmao when your party is up double digits in the polls, that's the time to retreat in fear. it's just soind politics
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Feb 4, 2024 10:34
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I just wish there was a trans positive party, or at the very least a not actively transphobic one. There was a big push last year to chuck out the bigoted groups of the party. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67546751 The issue the greens have is they are set up in a totally democratic way, which allows small organised groups to push an agenda more easily then they would in a more traditional party. Mega Comrade fucked around with this message at 10:52 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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Feb 4, 2024 10:46
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:when your party is up double digits in the polls, that's the time to retreat in fear. it's just soind politics Gotta hit those KPIs so we can cozy up to upper management.
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Feb 4, 2024 10:51
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:when your party is up double digits in the polls, that's the time to retreat in fear. it's just soind politics They know they're going to win so they have to get rid of any policies that might actually change anything. By election day the most radical policy they'll have will be something vague like "education good"
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Feb 4, 2024 10:51
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Marmaduke! posted:They know they're going to win so they have to get rid of any policies that might actually change anything. By election day the most radical policy they'll have will be something vague like "education good" And then u-turns on it two hours later.
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Feb 4, 2024 11:08
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Mega Comrade posted:There was a big push last year to chuck out the bigoted groups of the party. Although that's also a positive if you view entryism as a useful tactic
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Feb 4, 2024 11:28
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Starmer: education, education, education Sun: what's next??? Starmer slammed as new 'triple woke' policy will have your child indoctrinated by gay immigrants THREE TIMES FASTER Starmer: after consultation with our critics, there will be no schools, only beatings
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Feb 4, 2024 11:52
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On the subject of education.... https://twitter.com/SamCoatesSky/status/1754065066423398762
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Feb 4, 2024 12:13
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Ms Adequate posted:I can, and do. I can see the UUP doing that, but the DUP & TUV? ... eeshh. Oh well, we're only on day two of this bright new future so i'll wait and see. 
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Feb 4, 2024 12:21
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fuctifino posted:On the subject of education.... mainly surprised Gillian "does anyone ever say you've done a loving good job" Keegan is still in her post, but then it's the tories in 2024 so who the hell is left to take the job if they fired her. they'd have to find another peer to do it
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Feb 4, 2024 12:37
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This whole "free childcare" policy has been one of the most obvious 'the Tories are completely loving clueless' examples of recent years. They announced it without seeming to have listened to any of the concerns from providers, allocated an absolutely pitiful amount of money... shrugged their shoulders with a "look, it's solved" quote or two, and only now it's due to come into effect does anyone seem to have noticed that what's available (money, staffing, premises) isn't remotely close to what is needed. Presumably, since early childcare isn't particularly profitable, they haven't been able to find a big donor to give a contract to.
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Feb 4, 2024 12:44
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What are parents meant to do if they can't find childcare places? From what I understand most areas are already over-subscribed, and I'm hearing of more and more nurseries being forced to close for financial reasons. One large nursery in Plymouth went bust the other week, so families are finding the rug pulled without any notice and with no provision elsewhere. Will the DWP be accommodating and understanding to those who lose their jobs due to not finding childcare?
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Feb 4, 2024 12:49
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Poor naive Reeves must resist the lustful advances of the sexy city men 
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Feb 4, 2024 12:50
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e: ^^^  Portuguese man who has lived legally in UK since 2001 facing deportation quote:A Portuguese plumber who has lived legally in the UK for more than 20 years has been threatened with deportation by the Home Office after struggling with his application to remain here. 
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Feb 4, 2024 13:15
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quote:"I consider the UK to be my home and my boss is my family.” This is the saddest fate possible.
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Feb 4, 2024 13:31
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Clyde Radcliffe posted:
the problem is in the course of making it an issue they've put the idea in the heads of the loyalists who attended their tub thumping back of a lorry rallies about it and once an idea takes root in people that thick, it's not going anywhere :/
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Feb 4, 2024 15:08
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they even seem to have given "no sea border" equal status with "no surrender"
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Feb 4, 2024 15:12
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Cracker parade season upcoming lads
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Feb 4, 2024 15:59
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Just Another Lurker posted:I can see the UUP doing that, but the DUP & TUV? ... eeshh. Oh let's be under no illusion, these absolute eejits wouldn't in a million years go for something like that. They don't have anyone inclined to do it, and they don't have anyone with the balls to do it even if they did
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Feb 4, 2024 16:14
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Cracker parade season upcoming lads Jacobs? Do love a bit of crackers and cheese.
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Feb 4, 2024 16:17
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crispix posted:they even seem to have given "no sea border" equal status with "no surrender" Ah but you see Jeffrey has now cunningly changed the “Green Lane” ( which only ever existed as a metaphysical construct and is purely a paperwork exercise) into the “UK UNION JACK RED WHITE AND BLUE FLEG LANE” so everyone is happy (lol)
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Feb 4, 2024 16:55
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Melissa McCarthyism posted:Cracker parade season upcoming lads 
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Feb 4, 2024 16:55
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https://twitter.com/piersmorgan/status/1754120228445843488 Lmao. I wonder if Piss Morgan will brush on the dodgy 'VIP lane' contracts given to Rishi's wife's firm? https://twitter.com/carolvorders/status/1753919099984355585 fuctifino fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Feb 4, 2024 |
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Feb 4, 2024 19:21
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Morgan vs Sunak is quite interesting in that I really don't know which one will come across as more of a oval office. probably Sunak but you just can't write off Piers Morgan
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Feb 4, 2024 22:27
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I guess there's direct and indirect oval office. And layers.
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Feb 4, 2024 22:36
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