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SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Sampo can at least transition to a Speedwagon type role!

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Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

Bussamove posted:

Everytime Aventurine is on screen I feel like I need a shower after, he’a so drat greasy and sleazy.

It’s great.

franks
Jan 1, 2007

Alcoholism is the only
disease you can get
yelled at for having.
Lost the 50/50 to Gepard which I can’t complain about too much since I’m relatively new. Then got Black Swan early on the guarantee, time to dump all my mats and pair her up with Kafka!

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!
What chars benefit from the new relics most?
Debuff/DPS:
Dr. Ratio
Topaz (E1)?
Black Swan?

Break/Buff:
Ruan Mei

Anyone else?

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

pioneer:

ratio, jingliu, herta, serval, regular dan heng, hook

as for watchmaker it seems like its meant for sparkle

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!

Endorph posted:

pioneer:

ratio, jingliu, herta, serval, regular dan heng, hook

as for watchmaker it seems like its meant for sparkle

Interesting, didn't think about Jingliu or Herta. They'd have to have debuffs coming from elsewhere I imagine.
Regular Dan Heng and Hook make some sense, but would still need debuff support since they only provide 1 themselves right? Maybe good contenders for 1 pc at the least (if anyone ever used them, which I imagine they don't).

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

in herta and jingliu's case freeze counts as a debuff, though yeah every character mentioned here needs a debuff support with good uptime for this to be optimal (generally speaking thats gonna be silver wolf)

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

oh, its yanqings best set if hes run with a debuffer, too, but lol yanqing

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!

Endorph posted:

in herta and jingliu's case freeze counts as a debuff, though yeah every character mentioned here needs a debuff support with good uptime for this to be optimal (generally speaking thats gonna be silver wolf)

Pela is probably a good debuffer support for Jinglui (and everyone else too). I tend to run them together if I'm not doing Blade + JL (then it's Ruan Mei).

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever
I need advice on who to build for PF if I don’t have Kafka or black swan. Sampo and serval are e6 so it has to be them right? Who do I team them with?



xueyi is there too

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

franks posted:

Lost the 50/50 to Gepard which I can’t complain about too much since I’m relatively new. Then got Black Swan early on the guarantee, time to dump all my mats and pair her up with Kafka!

Don't complain at all! Cause they just added an enemy that deals damage to itself when it hits a shielded character.

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion :3:

padijun posted:

I need advice on who to build for PF if I don’t have Kafka or black swan. Sampo and serval are e6 so it has to be them right? Who do I team them with?



xueyi is there too

Tbh I think you can just ignore the DoT gimmick and run your usual Erudition carries, then use the "attacks inflict Wind Shear" buff. JY on one side and Himeko/Asta on the other should still work for PF 4.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Gerdalti posted:

What chars benefit from the new relics most?

I'd say for Ratio it depends on if you've got him with Silver Wolf or not, especially if he's S1. The exponential scaling of defense shred/ignore means that each point is better than the last, making Genius really good if you've got his S1 and super duper good if Silver Wolf's turning 10% into 20% and providing 53% more (or as much as 69% if she has S5 Resolution).

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

I feel like I should mess with at least 2p debuff 2p ice for JL but like her already really built 4p ice set is right there.

NBA FAN !!!!!!!
Dec 4, 2002

Clara wasn't very good for last PF but she's actually busted for this one, I did Clara/Luocha/Pela/Himeko side 2 and got 40k. Every time an enemy is attacked their turn gets advanced forward and they attack her and she counters which advances their turn, etc. I used the Wind Shear effect so she could apply DoTs with her counters and between that and Himeko doing follow ups on breaks from Clara (Herta could also work here) the last phase in particular was one incredibly long turn. You could probably slot her into side 1 also. I think this phase is made for DoT attackers or characters that attack a lot so Blade is probably also good for side 1.

Otherwise Sampo and Guinaifen imho; sampo is honestly great and guinaifen applies a DoT and a def shred.

padijun
Feb 5, 2004

murderbears forever

blizzardvizard posted:

Tbh I think you can just ignore the DoT gimmick and run your usual Erudition carries, then use the "attacks inflict Wind Shear" buff. JY on one side and Himeko/Asta on the other should still work for PF 4.

thanks, guess it's nice herta will be valuable for more than the first PF cycle

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy
One downside to BS: she's pried away SW's Tutorial, I only have one Resolution to trade around, and no GNSW or Eyes at all!

I haven't been using SW since I got Ruan Mei, but still, her gear was based around that LC so I'd have to farm basically from scratch if I ever need to use her again.

Kyrosiris
May 24, 2006

You try to be happy when everyone is summoning you everywhere to "be their friend".



Tree Reformat posted:

One downside to BS: she's pried away SW's Tutorial, I only have one Resolution to trade around, and no GNSW or Eyes at all!

I thought I was the only one with no copies of Eyes and minimal (mine's S3) GNSW.

Now poo poo like Genius's Repose? gently caress, I have three S5 copies of that trash. :negative:

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

It feels soooo good to not be on the Luofu anymore guys

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


Managed Pure Fiction on my second try. I barely got the 60k, but it's done. I honestly didn't even pay much attention to the gimmick. Kafka DoT team on Side 1 and Argenti & Herta twirl spam on Side 2. I actually got more points with my Erudition team.

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion :3:

Penacony is just so dang pretty

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

Meowywitch posted:

It feels soooo good to not be on the Luofu anymore guys

The condescending enlightened space elves grate after a while.

We're in Space Vegas now, feel that vice, baby!

Bussamove
Feb 25, 2006

Meowywitch posted:

It feels soooo good to not be on the Luofu anymore guys

We’re off Pastel Godboat and they’re loving with us in new and exciting ways, what a time to be alive.

NachtSieger
Apr 10, 2013


Meowywitch posted:

It feels soooo good to not be on the Luofu anymore guys

What's wrong with the Luofu? I rather liked it.

Jehuti
Nov 19, 2010

NachtSieger posted:

What's wrong with the Luofu? I rather liked it.

it got boring real quick and the first half of it was just shipping container warrens.

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Just got into the dreamscape

... why tf are we still required to pay with actual real money to get anything in our dreams?

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010
Why does Bronya's autobattle AI keep hasting Black Swan instead of Kafka? I thought it picked whoever has the highest ATK, and that's definitely Kafka.

Tree Reformat
Apr 2, 2022

by Fluffdaddy

NeonPunk posted:

Just got into the dreamscape

... why tf are we still required to pay with actual real money to get anything in our dreams?

:capitalism:

blizzardvizard
Sep 12, 2012

Shhh... don't wake up the sleeping lion :3:

FractalSandwich posted:

Why does Bronya's autobattle AI keep hasting Black Swan instead of Kafka? I thought it picked whoever has the highest ATK, and that's definitely Kafka.

Maybe the AI considers DMG boosts as well?

Bad Video Games
Sep 17, 2017


NachtSieger posted:

What's wrong with the Luofu? I rather liked it.

We've been there since April. It's time for a vacation.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

blizzardvizard posted:

Maybe the AI considers DMG boosts as well?
Black Swan's ATK multiplied by her DMG Boost is still lower, even accounting for the bonus she gets from EHR. Her crit value is also lower. There should be no way for the AI to mistake her for my main carry. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with whose turn is further away, either. It's very mysterious.

Meowywitch
Jan 14, 2010

Fight for all that is beautiful in the world

I got a dupe of Misha so Im gonna make him the strongest bellboy in anime

and also because his gimmick sounds genuinely interesting??? potential to do some silly stuff with it

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!
Finished up Penacony tonight, and I have to say the puzzles were my favorite part. The clockies, and the jigsaws were well done but not overly complicated. The 3d traversal and "eagles eye view" stuff was neat too.

Mained Topaz the whole time to find treasures even though she wasn't great for it. It's a fun environment, and a well done world. Thumbs up from me.

Clarste
Apr 15, 2013

Just how many mistakes have you suffered on the way here?

An uncountable number, to be sure.

FractalSandwich posted:

Black Swan's ATK multiplied by her DMG Boost is still lower, even accounting for the bonus she gets from EHR. Her crit value is also lower. There should be no way for the AI to mistake her for my main carry. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with whose turn is further away, either. It's very mysterious.

The patch notes said they adjusted support AI priorities.

FractalSandwich
Apr 25, 2010

Clarste posted:

The patch notes said they adjusted support AI priorities.
Adjusted to make them less predictable, apparently.

rio
Mar 20, 2008

Thx for the BS team info.

Re: Luofu, I guess I liked it more than others too. By the end I was very happy with it. However at the start it did feel a bit rough and the pacing wasn’t great. Once the lore was set though, I liked the setting a lot and thought it wrapped up into a cool story.

I had to grind a bit to make up for my failed 50/50 and get BS first but am going to start Penacony tonight. Been avoiding YouTube and other places that might dump spoiler images like a plague. Really excited to see how the story and setting is!

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Futaba Anzu posted:

i like how tsun dr ratio is, i really like him especially after the final conversation between him and screwllum at the end divulged more blatantly how he operates tbh lol

I like his text message I got today where he's like "college is dumb, but I'll write you a recommendation letter if you want"

GateOfD
Jan 31, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 8 days!)

only thing annoying is that the 3rd planet, and we still have to spend the first hour or so doing escort missions following someone giving us a tour of the town.
just send me to point B and let me explore on my own.

GateOfD
Jan 31, 2023

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 8 days!)

NeonPunk posted:

Just got into the dreamscape

... why tf are we still required to pay with actual real money to get anything in our dreams?

the money spent in our dreams is withdrawn from our real life account

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DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Sleng Teng posted:

I think any reasonably well geared DoT character or two, no e6 required, will make her insane from what I'm seeing. It doesn't even need to be Kafka though she's the best partner atm.

I had a fully built Guinaifen already so I tossed her in with Black Swan and the result was quite nice. I think so long as you pair DOT + DOT characters you'll probably get a good outcome.

Failed to get Kafka last banner (which I didn't expect, never reached soft pity) but Black Swan is pretty great so I'm quite happy with the outcome.

-edit Also I hereby declare "Clockie" the superior version of Mickey Mouse. Go on. Change my mind.

DancingShade fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Feb 7, 2024

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