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I'm sticking with the clashing part. There have been other solid blades, as dumb as it is, in Kira's mobile suit history. A new version of the grand slam would've been way more iconic aesthetically compatible
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muike posted:I'm sticking with the clashing part. There have been other solid blades, as dumb as it is, in Kira's mobile suit history. A new version of the grand slam would've been way more iconic aesthetically compatible I am not really sure how the Grand Slam would have looked less, that thing was basically a hunk of metal roughly shaped into a sword.
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Arc Hammer posted:Props to the Mikazuki for using the Katana for a few episodes with the Barbatos before deciding "nah, I like this better" and going back to bludgeoning weapons and giant claws. "I finally figured out how to use this thing. It's not worth it, I'll just use a big club instead."
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ImpAtom posted:I am not really sure how the Grand Slam would have looked less, that thing was basically a hunk of metal roughly shaped into a sword. I don't fully disagree but it had more of a "techy" look even if it was very medieval. I get that the katana is an established physical blade weapon in seed but it just seems so out of place in this case
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Feb 8, 2024 22:56
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Omnicrom posted:"I finally figured out how to use this thing. It's not worth it, I'll just use a big club instead." While he did ultimately return to the club, the Gundam-sized Dragon Slayer had a decent run.
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Feb 8, 2024 23:47
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muike posted:I don't fully disagree but it had more of a "techy" look even if it was very medieval. I get that the katana is an established physical blade weapon in seed but it just seems so out of place in this case Kira Yamato
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i am struggling against the ocean tide
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ImpAtom posted:The new enemy units have Femtech Armor which is anti-beam. I mean they have that armor because someone wanted to give the Gundam a Katana
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Feb 9, 2024 02:10
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ImpAtom posted:I am not really sure how the Grand Slam would have looked less, that thing was basically a hunk of metal roughly shaped into a sword. That thing was too big to be called a sword. Too big, too thick, too heavy, and too rough, it was more like a large hunk of iron. (Sorry. Someone had to.)
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Feb 9, 2024 02:39
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chiasaur11 posted:That thing was too big to be called a sword. Nice
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swords are cool
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Hammers are cooler. Especially when they're a ball and chain flail that isn't a hammer.
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Arc Hammer posted:Hammers are cooler. Especially when they're a ball and chain flail that isn't a hammer. The Gundam Hammer is a meteor hammer, and I accept the Chinese definition of hammers because they're better at kung fu than you are.
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Omnicrom posted:"I finally figured out how to use this thing. It's not worth it, I'll just use a bigger club instead." 
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Feb 9, 2024 05:54
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Booky posted:swords are cool They are, but the way almost every mech has basically the same sword in a lot of Gundam settings is lame. It's another thing I like about IBO. No beam sabers. Instead, everyone's got their own melee weapons ranging from practical to utterly absurd.
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Don't beam weapons flat out not work against gundams due to their engines in IBO?
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They have a coating that reflects beams
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It's also just a plain fantastic bit of visual storytelling when a Calamity War-era Mobile Armor fires its beam weapon at a bog-standard grunt mobile suit, and the nanolaminate just shrugs it off like water. Times have changed and tech has evolved.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's also just a plain fantastic bit of visual storytelling when a Calamity War-era Mobile Armor fires its beam weapon at a bog-standard grunt mobile suit, and the nanolaminate just shrugs it off like water. Simultaneously, it keeps advancing Ride's tragedy as he keeps surviving while people die for him, no matter how he tries. It's a pretty good little scene.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's also just a plain fantastic bit of visual storytelling when a Calamity War-era Mobile Armor fires its beam weapon at a bog-standard grunt mobile suit, and the nanolaminate just shrugs it off like water. The only appreciable damage coming from the unshielded magazine in the suits rifle cooking off and blowing its hand off was such a good touch.
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You can really imagine what utter hell fighting one of things must've been pre-Gundams, because it just has a no-reload-required Beam Weapon to vaporize anything approaching it, and if you SOMEHOW are the lucky bastard to survive everyone else getting melted and get in close, even without the tail, you're dead anyway because it has near-instant reflexes and moves lightning-quick in close quarters. Even the Gundam's can "just" negate the Beam Weapon, they still have to fry the pilot to try to keep up with it going all-out. And if you gently caress up and lose, the goddamn thing just starts repairing and rearming itself with its own minions. I got the feeling the Dainsleifs were probably the last development in the War, because given what they do to a pair of Gundams, you could pretty easily extrapolate that doctrine to surprising Mobile Armors to eliminate them much more safely and consistently than bet on a 1v1 duel with a bloodthirsty child soldier.
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...was it a 1v1 duel? is it said that they wouldn't have gundams gang up on mobile armors for some reason?
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ninjewtsu posted:...was it a 1v1 duel? is it said that they wouldn't have gundams gang up on mobile armors for some reason? Admittedly, I was just going off the Mika fight. I think one of the cutscenes from that mobile game also had a 1v1 Calamity War Era fight with an MA though, didn't it?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Admittedly, I was just going off the Mika fight. I think one of the cutscenes from that mobile game also had a 1v1 Calamity War Era fight with an MA though, didn't it? 2v1. The MAs had two.(one watching, one fighting.) Didn't help. (To be fair, they were of a lower order than Hashmal.) Another small touch I love? When Chad goes to scrap with the MA to bait it into position, he drops his machine gun. Nobody calls it out, no focus. He just recognized how Ride lost his mech's hand and took measures to ensure he'd avoid the issue.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's also just a plain fantastic bit of visual storytelling when a Calamity War-era Mobile Armor fires its beam weapon at a bog-standard grunt mobile suit, and the nanolaminate just shrugs it off like water. It's also a very telling piece of visual storytelling that a MA was built with both a beam cannon and nanolaminate armour. The Hashmal was a weapon of extermination, not just a weapon of war.
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chiasaur11 posted:They are, but the way almost every mech has basically the same sword in a lot of Gundam settings is lame. Big wrench and big scissors are pretty fun though. Artum posted:The only appreciable damage coming from the unshielded magazine in the suits rifle cooking off and blowing its hand off was such a good touch. Didn't it also like, obliterate everything that wasn't a mobile suit though?
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I think it's worth mentioning that, after factoring in Mika's absolute pragmatism when it comes to fighting, you realize that simply one of the best ways to deal with mobile weapons in IBO is to turn the pilot to jelly. You can make armor that deflects beams or is hard to cut through, but if you give the pilot 50Gs of acceleration when you baseball bat them with your giant club, they're gonna look like the one dude when he hit the ring in the Expanse and just got pureed by the forces involved. Heck the suit might even survive and you can just hose out the cockpit later when you salvage it.
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Warmachine posted:I think it's worth mentioning that, after factoring in Mika's absolute pragmatism when it comes to fighting, you realize that simply one of the best ways to deal with mobile weapons in IBO is to turn the pilot to jelly. You can make armor that deflects beams or is hard to cut through, but if you give the pilot 50Gs of acceleration when you baseball bat them with your giant club, they're gonna look like the one dude when he hit the ring in the Expanse and just got pureed by the forces involved. Heck the suit might even survive and you can just hose out the cockpit later when you salvage it. “Nothing but hamburger “
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Warmachine posted:I think it's worth mentioning that, after factoring in Mika's absolute pragmatism when it comes to fighting, you realize that simply one of the best ways to deal with mobile weapons in IBO is to turn the pilot to jelly. You can make armor that deflects beams or is hard to cut through, but if you give the pilot 50Gs of acceleration when you baseball bat them with your giant club, they're gonna look like the one dude when he hit the ring in the Expanse and just got pureed by the forces involved. Heck the suit might even survive and you can just hose out the cockpit later when you salvage it. This literally happens to one of Carta's men when she stops the train to issue her challenge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB_gVIqvnWM (Watch the background at 1:13 to see what happens when a man is hit with Mika's chainsaw-cutter/hammer)
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Warmachine posted:I think it's worth mentioning that, after factoring in Mika's absolute pragmatism when it comes to fighting, you realize that simply one of the best ways to deal with mobile weapons in IBO is to turn the pilot to jelly. You can make armor that deflects beams or is hard to cut through, but if you give the pilot 50Gs of acceleration when you baseball bat them with your giant club, they're gonna look like the one dude when he hit the ring in the Expanse and just got pureed by the forces involved. Heck the suit might even survive and you can just hose out the cockpit later when you salvage it. We see Mika have to do without in one episode. He didn't have a good time.
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ninjewtsu posted:...was it a 1v1 duel? is it said that they wouldn't have gundams gang up on mobile armors for some reason? The plumas, mostly. Hashmael didn't really have time to get going, but the top order Ma's aren't just robot dragons, they are robot dragon factories. While I doubt most mobile armors in the calamity war went 1v1 with whatever killed them, the people fighting them probably had to wad through a veritable army of drones just to get their shot at the big guy.
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Caros posted:The plumas, mostly. The other factor is the Gundam pilots were competing for a High Score, so there's not a lot of incentive to cooperate when someone else might get the kill. (The Seven Stars are all ranked by their MA kills, it's why a live Hashmal appearing was a major upset)
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The other factor is the Gundam pilots were competing for a High Score, so there's not a lot of incentive to cooperate when someone else might get the kill. I always assumed that as post hoc. As in, Steve killed 6 dragons, so he is higher ranked, rather than people competing for rank. The latter seems... Counterproductive in a life or death struggle against ravenous ai.
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Caros posted:I always assumed that as post hoc. As in, Steve killed 6 dragons, so he is higher ranked, rather than people competing for rank. The mindset of "I killed more MA's than you, therefore I'm Top poo poo", says a lot about what kind of people they might've been. Also they were giant robots driven by child soldiers, and sound judgement's gonna be in short supply to begin with. Just looking at Tekkadan and child soldiers in general, you could totally see a military telling them they'll prosper the more they kill, because it makes them useful.
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Rank being based on MA kills seems stupid, but it makes a lot of sense in a lot of ways. You just fought an apocalypse war that leveled society and had to manufacture unstable human superweapons to win it. Having a way to reintegrate those human superweapons back into your rebuilt society that is clear cut and rewards their service in a concrete way would go miles towards those human superweapons being willing to integrate into said society instead of turning on it and fighting Calamity War: The Epilogue. Having your ranking criteria be so simple and unambiguous would also help a lot to reduce friction, even if those criteria are kind of goofy.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:The mindset of "I killed more MA's than you, therefore I'm Top poo poo", says a lot about what kind of people they might've been. We know a bit more about Agnika Kaieru, both from interviews and comments in the show and mobile game (really interested in how the finale to that is going to be released). He was basically a full on hot blooded super robot protagonist. His father invented the Mobile Armors and the Gundams (still unclear if that's a "My God, what have I done? I have to make up for this!" thing or a "Just as planned" thing.) and his best friend was Gargin Bauduin, Gaelio's great grandpa and the second place finisher for kills. So, seems likely there was some good intent in the setup... but also a lot of immaturity. I mean, Rustal's family founder was an absolutely gigantic weeb. That says a lot about the initial seven stars in general.
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Most likely the apocalyptic war with Skynet that destroyed all world governments left the child soldiers with unstoppable giant robot super weapons and no one to reign them in. So they declared themselves kings of the world and being kids, larped as medieval knights because wouldn’t you?
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galagazombie posted:Most likely the apocalyptic war with Skynet that destroyed all world governments left the child soldiers with unstoppable giant robot super weapons and no one to reign them in. So they declared themselves kings of the world and being kids, larped as medieval knights because wouldn’t you? I'd've LARPed as Coop from Megas XLR
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My assumtion has always been; "Congratulations, now get out of the big robots and obey us". *STOMP* "How about no? Does No work for you? Cause we're in charge now".
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Warmachine posted:I think it's worth mentioning that, after factoring in Mika's absolute pragmatism when it comes to fighting, you realize that simply one of the best ways to deal with mobile weapons in IBO is to turn the pilot to jelly. You can make armor that deflects beams or is hard to cut through, but if you give the pilot 50Gs of acceleration when you baseball bat them with your giant club, they're gonna look like the one dude when he hit the ring in the Expanse and just got pureed by the forces involved. Heck the suit might even survive and you can just hose out the cockpit later when you salvage it. "MANEO! JUNG! ESPINO-"  I've been rewatching The Expanse recently and that entire episode is still loving brilliant.
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