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The Artificial Kid
Feb 22, 2002
Plibble

selec posted:

I have seen people bitch about disaster funding going to red states any time there's a flood or hurricane in them. I dunno what to tell you man, it's definitely A Thing that people view their political opponents as undeserving of what they themselves feel entitled to. It's not that nuts of a concept--people pick teams for politics, much more than they examine policy and values. How many people do you know who have the exact same politics (or near enough) as their parents, vs. people who have gone completely in a different direction? I'd say in my experience the ratio is like 80/20. That's not evidence of people carefully considering the issues.

I’ve seen liberals saying some version of “these red states always complain about paying for disasters in blue states but have no trouble putting their hands out when they get hit”, usually with a dose of “I don’t want anything bad to happen to them but I wish they’d just stop the mean spirited bullshit towards blue states”. I don’t really see examples of what you’re claiming. Do you have any?

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Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
During the pandemic there were frustrated people that demanded anyone who believed covid was a hoax should choke to death on their own lymph fluid and chuds love to rub those screenshot in everyone's faces now that they think they somehow got vindicated about covid being a nothingburger.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

With conservatives, the target is absolutely the suffering people. "Ugh, look at all these homeless and druggies! The police really need to roll through this neighborhood in tanks to Clean Up The Streets."

Beaten but...

It's also like "look at all these democrat run hell holes" but, oddly, they never seem to check out rural areas of WV, Mississippi, Arkansas, SC or any other red state with similar opioid, poverty (and meth) problems. Believe me, the only thing really separating a lot of these places is population density and there are hundreds of largely white, poverty stricken drug addicted hell holes these states.

Also left out of any real examination of places like Kensington and The Tenderloin/Market District is what they were like before capitalism had a chance to roll in and suck the entire life out of anything resembling a community or a neighborhood. Greed almost always is the culprit. Almost all of these places fell victim to some sort of industry or another raping the poo poo out of the area and checking out.

See: Detroit.

BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Feb 10, 2024

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

BiggerBoat posted:

Beaten but...

It's also like "look at all these democrat run hell holes" but, oddly, they never seem to check out rural areas of WV, Mississippi, Arkansas, SC or any other red state with similar opioid, poverty (and meth) problems. Believe me, the only thing really separating a lot of these places is population density and there are hundreds of largely white, poverty stricken drug addicted hell holes these states.

Also left out of any real examination of places like Kensington and The Tenderloin/Market District is what they were like before capitalism had a chance to roll in and suck the entire life out of anything resembling a community or a neighborhood. Greed almost always is the culprit. Almost all of these places fell victim to some sort of industry or another raping the poo poo out of the area and checking out.

See: Detroit.

Chuds love to pretend to give a gently caress about Detroit

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

The Artificial Kid posted:

I’ve seen liberals saying some version of “these red states always complain about paying for disasters in blue states but have no trouble putting their hands out when they get hit”, usually with a dose of “I don’t want anything bad to happen to them but I wish they’d just stop the mean spirited bullshit towards blue states”. I don’t really see examples of what you’re claiming. Do you have any?

This is what I always say. I want red states to get disaster relief. I also want those same red states to stop bitching when blue states need disaster relief.

Edit: To be clearer, I don't think either of those things should be contingent on the other. Red states should get relief even if they bitch when blue states get it.

...! fucked around with this message at 03:30 on Feb 10, 2024

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

Soon, we will be unstoppable!
Oddly enough, when the Tea Party "Movement" was a thing, most of the mainstream outlets help legitimize it by refusing to give airtime to the nutters attending it. It was mostly independent and foreign outlets like Al Jazeera that were like "hey, look at the crazies!"

The same mistake doesn't appear to have been repeated with Trump rallies.

BiggerBoat posted:

Also left out of any real examination of places like Kensington and The Tenderloin/Market District is what they were like before capitalism had a chance to roll in and suck the entire life out of anything resembling a community or a neighborhood. Greed almost always is the culprit. Almost all of these places fell victim to some sort of industry or another raping the poo poo out of the area and checking out.
SF also has the NIMBY problem. "We don't want tall buildings ruining the atmosphere!"

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Boy this guy fizzled out quick, I had already forgotten about him.

https://twitter.com/quebecween/status/1756103741629968809?t=0aCYWaNj7Qbyy9jMPMnrKA&s=19

Shooting Blanks
Jun 6, 2007

Real bullets mess up how cool this thing looks.

-Blade



OneEightHundred posted:

SF also has the NIMBY problem. "We don't want tall buildings ruining the atmosphere!"

This is basically true of every rich area in the US. All the people who ponied up for oceanfront property are lobbing complaints and lawsuits to block windfarms, VC billionaires saying that CA needs more affordable housing move to block it in their town, etc.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

BiggerBoat posted:

Beaten but...

It's also like "look at all these democrat run hell holes" but, oddly, they never seem to check out rural areas of WV, Mississippi, Arkansas, SC or any other red state with similar opioid, poverty (and meth) problems. Believe me, the only thing really separating a lot of these places is population density and there are hundreds of largely white, poverty stricken drug addicted hell holes these states.

Also left out of any real examination of places like Kensington and The Tenderloin/Market District is what they were like before capitalism had a chance to roll in and suck the entire life out of anything resembling a community or a neighborhood. Greed almost always is the culprit. Almost all of these places fell victim to some sort of industry or another raping the poo poo out of the area and checking out.

See: Detroit.

Having lived in New Orleans, I’ve met a lot of « rural » (suburban F150 kings) people terrified of the hellhole lib city.

Then you look at Katrina-

In the Mad Max hellscape of the Superdome: 1 dead of natural causes, 1 attempted sexual assault stopped by Good Samaritan bystanders

In the Good Neighbourhoods: white kill squads ISISing around to protect from imaginary looters

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨


Why are so many of the tweets and articles about this making it sound like problem is that the victim wasn’t really a migrant?

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK

Subjunctive posted:

Why are so many of the tweets and articles about this making it sound like problem is that the victim wasn’t really a migrant?

They're pointing out that absolutely nothing of what they said actually happened. Perhaps they could be worded better, but the point is that the thieving migrant was a non-thieving citizen whose only crime was being not-white in the presence of their on air interview with Hannity. Even if he was a migrant, it would still be a hate crime broadcast live that the NYPD didn't give a poo poo about.

Sephyr
Aug 28, 2012

Subjunctive posted:

Why are so many of the tweets and articles about this making it sound like problem is that the victim wasn’t really a migrant?

Because cruelty and inhumanity to migrants is seen as acceptable/desirable to a large, bipartisan, possibly majoritarian slice of the public.

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Gyges posted:

They're pointing out that absolutely nothing of what they said actually happened. Perhaps they could be worded better, but the point is that the thieving migrant was a non-thieving citizen whose only crime was being not-white in the presence of their on air interview with Hannity. Even if he was a migrant, it would still be a hate crime broadcast live that the NYPD didn't give a poo poo about.

The leader has now stated that they were justified in concluding he was a migrant. You see, they heard him speaking Spanish and saw him hanging out with other hispanic guys. So what else were they supposed to think? If he's actually a citizen then it's his own fault for acting suspiciously like a migrant

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
It's funny when people bitch about people speaking Spanish and pretend that's their issue. However if you actually look at who they're pissed at, it's always someone who looks like they might be from South of the Rio Grande. They never get pissed and yell at white people speaking Spanish. I know a guy whose mom is from Spain, and I've seen people get their "SPEAK ENGLISH" hackles up and turn to start something when he's talking to his family in public. Then they see it's an older blonde lady, her blonde son, and his kid and the rage visibly drains from their face.

Like the only time I have ever seen anyone get pissed about people speaking non-English European languages is if they know the people and they have "private conversations" at a gathering. Which is still dumb as gently caress, but at least within sight of the lands of reason.

Edit: I know Spain is in Europe, but people who get pissed about people not speaking English are convinced it's in the darkest part of Mexico.

Gyges fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 11, 2024

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?
Yeah, Spaniards are fun. Seeing white Europeans who primarily speak Spanish can break chuds' brains.

Platonicsolid
Nov 17, 2008

As if chuds don't also mistrust all swarthy Europeans. Spaniards, Italians, Greeks....

STAC Goat
Mar 12, 2008

Watching you sleep.

Butt first, let's
check the feeds.


In theory it’s right to point out that old common racism element of targeting random people as the other. Like Sikh people being attacked because of islamaphobia. Of course that potentially gives the impression that the hate is justified against the “deserved” target. So yeah that sucks. But I think the main nature of this I’ve seen with the Sliwa incident is people saying how every thing he said was a lie including the migrant thing.

But also Sliwas been screaming about brown people ruining New York City for 50 years.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Platonicsolid posted:

As if chuds don't also mistrust all swarthy Europeans. Spaniards, Italians, Greeks....

"Africa starts at the Pyrenees" has been a thing for centuries.

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
That’s a dumb and yikes problematic joke french people say bc the spaniards can’t talk right and keep being all spanish. They the spaniards equally think french is dumb while spanish is only for the sexiest people. Believe me I was born with a french passport in blood red country. Do modern chuds somewhere actually give a poo poo about swarthy italians and spaniards? My impression is no.

Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Feb 11, 2024

Killer robot
Sep 6, 2010

I was having the most wonderful dream. I think you were in it!
Pillbug

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

That’s a dumb and yikes problematic joke french people say bc the spaniards can’t talk right and keep being all spanish. They the spaniards equally think french is dumb while spanish is only for the sexiest people. Believe me I was born with a french passport in blood red country. Do modern chuds somewhere actually give a poo poo about swarthy italians and spaniards? My impression is no.

There seems to be a complicated thing where they back the whitest Hispanic people they can find (Whether Spanish, Cuban, white-rear end Mexican, or whatever else) so long as they speak English and don't say anything lefty. Then use that as evidence that they're not racist against Latinos, even while they paint pictures of dark-skinned invaders crowding the border.

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012

Star Man posted:

Have you met other liberals and leftists? A huge cohort of them would love nothing more than for them to have their faces eaten by the leopards they voted for--literally if possible.

There is no shortage of left-facing people who think anyone that votes conservative, is a bigot, or has whatever they deem to be regressive points of view gets what they deserve. Anyone who is stuck in those places that are victims of regressive policy are considered acceptable collateral. Anyone advocating that progressive policy should also benefit regressives are laughed out of the room.

what if conservative voters are the primary cause of said regressive policy tho?

hosed up if tru.

anyway guys im gonna go vote for nwordtrannyhomostomper1488 cause he makes NumberGoUp :downs:

BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Feb 11, 2024

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

That’s a dumb and yikes problematic joke french people say bc the spaniards can’t talk right and keep being all spanish. They the spaniards equally think french is dumb while spanish is only for the sexiest people. Believe me I was born with a french passport in blood red country. Do modern chuds somewhere actually give a poo poo about swarthy italians and spaniards? My impression is no.

In the Obama years there was an attempt at a pan-European fascist conference that entirely broke down over whether either Italians or Slovaks counted as white (my memory fails), so I'd say it's at least a possibility.

Despera
Jun 6, 2011
The great thing about the tucker interview was easily both Putin and Tucker could have gotten what they both wanted. Tucker could have gotten his idiotic consipiracy theories confirmed and Putin could bolster his anti western credentials. Luckily Putin was too lazy to memorize 5ish answers to the soft ball questions Tucker was going to ask and now neither got what they want.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


Edgar Allen Ho posted:

That’s a dumb and yikes problematic joke french people say bc the spaniards can’t talk right and keep being all spanish. They the spaniards equally think french is dumb while spanish is only for the sexiest people. Believe me I was born with a french passport in blood red country. Do modern chuds somewhere actually give a poo poo about swarthy italians and spaniards? My impression is no.

Early 20th century eugenicists and “racialism” writers like Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard were of the opinion that Italians and Spaniards had once been white (though ‘Mediterranean’ white, which was inferior to Anglo-Saxon and Nordic white) but their blood had been corrupted by the Moorish invasions of Sicily and Iberia, just as Eastern European blood had been corrupted by Mongol invasions.

Given that modern GOP discourse about immigration is lifted straight from what was being said by eugenicists in the 1920s - literally down to ‘they’re not sending us their best any more’, it’s not hard to imagine that some chuds still think anyone not strictly Anglo-Saxon-Nordic is suspect.

Slo-Tek
Jun 8, 2001

WINDOWS 98 BEAT HIS FRIEND WITH A SHOVEL
So, my curated feed is all full of mainstream newspapers saying "Trump said he'd sell NATO to Putin if they didn't pay up". Which he has said before, and threatened to do before. None of the various right-wing crank websites I also follow have mentioned it.

Interesting that the usual bloodgargling psychos appear to be trying to ignore this to death, rather than praise it.

Am I looking the wrong places? too early to have focus-group tested responses? Actually a radioactive thing to say according to polling?

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Slo-Tek posted:

So, my curated feed is all full of mainstream newspapers saying "Trump said he'd sell NATO to Putin if they didn't pay up". Which he has said before, and threatened to do before. None of the various right-wing crank websites I also follow have mentioned it.

Interesting that the usual bloodgargling psychos appear to be trying to ignore this to death, rather than praise it.

Am I looking the wrong places? too early to have focus-group tested responses? Actually a radioactive thing to say according to polling?

The maga chuds are now isolationist when it suits them and will happily throw everyone else under the bus.

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

mobby_6kl posted:

The maga chuds are now isolationist when it suits them and will happily throw everyone else under the bus.

Isolationist in the sense that they just want America to bomb people they disagree with hell to anyone who disagrees with them.

The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

Only two contestants left! Here is Doom's chance for revenge...

Edgar Allen Ho posted:

That’s a dumb and yikes problematic joke french people say bc the spaniards can’t talk right and keep being all spanish. They the spaniards equally think french is dumb while spanish is only for the sexiest people. Believe me I was born with a french passport in blood red country. Do modern chuds somewhere actually give a poo poo about swarthy italians and spaniards? My impression is no.

My brother showed me a clip from the Ted TV show (the Seth McFarlane TV show based on the movie.)
The opening scene is a pretty long (and funny) section where the Dad explains how he can't be racist as Rocky is his favourite movie. (Despite it being about a black guy beating an Italian at boxing.) And an extended bit about how Italians are white, since they were let into the club after they kicked the Cubans out.

So I guess it is indeed a thing.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Mooseontheloose posted:

Isolationist in the sense that they just want America to bomb people they disagree with hell to anyone who disagrees with them.

Well yeah as I'm saying it's selective. War in Europe is none of our business, should get our of pointless wars in the middle east, but also let's bomb Iran and escalate poo poo with China hell yeah

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
RWM going hard on the idea of selective prosecution because Biden and Trump both did exactly the same crime with the classified docs poo poo. And NO they didn't and ALSO one person cooperated and one said "gently caress you come get them I didn't do it but yes I did and I'm allowed anyway so blow me" and then stashed them in the shower. Hannity was fanning these particular flames Friday and it's yet another example of these assholes willfully tossing bullshit out there knowing full well they're lying. but hell if the narrative doesn't land and hold where, at a minimum, it's "See? Both sides!" and it its pinnacle, it's "Deep State DOuble Standard"

tehslime
Jun 19, 2023

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

Yeah Ted Cruz bowing the knee to lick the boot was notable because it was kind of the first time we had seen that happen, back in the "psh, Hillary's got this" days. Now it's just how the GOP functions on a basic level.

Staluigi
Jun 22, 2021

Gyges posted:

It's funny when people bitch about people speaking Spanish and pretend that's their issue. However if you actually look at who they're pissed at, it's always someone who looks like they might be from South of the Rio Grande. They never get pissed and yell at white people speaking Spanish. I know a guy whose mom is from Spain, and I've seen people get their "SPEAK ENGLISH" hackles up and turn to start something when he's talking to his family in public. Then they see it's an older blonde lady, her blonde son, and his kid and the rage visibly drains from their face.

as a family we have been repeatedly accosted for speaking "french" in a way that definitely never happens to people who look french

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
:psyduck: I feel like I am living in bizarro world.
https://twitter.com/dumbmailguy/status/1757117637866536961?t=KSzweAH1QFu-hzXvpySTUQ&s=19

Space Fish
Oct 14, 2008

The original Big Tuna.



No, it means Taylor's gayer than ever, can't you see the signs spelling it out

...!
Oct 5, 2003

I SHOULD KEEP MY DUMB MOUTH SHUT INSTEAD OF SPEWING HORSESHIT ABOUT THE ORBITAL MECHANICS OF THE JAMES WEBB SPACE TELESCOPE.

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT A LAGRANGE POINT IS?

Space Fish posted:

No, it means Taylor's gayer than ever, can't you see the signs spelling it out

Gyges
Aug 4, 2004

NOW NO ONE
RECOGNIZE HULK
99 beards but a bitch ain't one.

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



The ‘Taylor is secretly gay’ thing is super weird to me

There seems to be both queer people hoping for this to be true, and also CHUDS hoping she’s gay so they can call her a groomer

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

FlamingLiberal posted:

The ‘Taylor is secretly gay’ thing is super weird to me

There seems to be both queer people hoping for this to be true, and also CHUDS hoping she’s gay so they can call her a groomer

“A pretty blond white woman grooming our virile masculine sports men to be uh, something non-CIS(?) by having sex with them” is something. It’s so convoluted that the stress from the cognitive dissonance could power half the country.

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary
It makes perfect sense if your definition of "queer" means "Not living the exact life your parents want" which I am confident in saying is the root of all conservative thought at the moment

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RoboChrist 9000
Dec 14, 2006

Mater Dolorosa
4chan had a thing for a while as their pure Aryan princess in contrast to all the degenerate black rappers and poo poo. I think part of the reason the Right is so furious and assmad about her is because they want to like her but she's not fascist enough for them to like.

She's an attractive white woman who would be a great Nazi postergirl, but she has the temerity to not be a Nazi so they feel personally betrayed.

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