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Egg Moron posted:To keep the vertibird from crashing outside Boulder City, you gotta inspect it on the pad and shake down the mechanic Spoilers!?!
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Feb 11, 2024 17:08
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thats not candy posted:im in my 40s and breaking down the numbers like that is what i think i just came to naturally on my own as a kid, and still do. maybe a teacher suggested it once, i dont know. obviously you dont need it for small and simple numbers like 12-3, but thats an example set for kiddos exactly the same for me except I came to it as an adult after dropping out of high school because math brought my grades down and I wanted to be an artist anyway honestly learned more math literacy from three years of being an adult and needing to buy groceries with limited money than I had from all of middle school and high school. if they had just started with this stuff then the much larger equations of algebra 2 wouldn’t have been a problem for me i was thrilled when I got to follow along with my kids homework
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Feb 11, 2024 17:14
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thats not candy posted:im in my 40s and breaking down the numbers like that is what i think i just came to naturally on my own as a kid, and still do. maybe a teacher suggested it once, i dont know. obviously you dont need it for small and simple numbers like 12-3, but thats an example set for kiddos Common core arithmetic is just teaching everyone the techniques the "good at math" kids naturally picked up. It's the funniest thing seeing parents complain about it.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:22
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Beached Whale posted:This is like 90% of parents Lol that the dude couldn't figure that out.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:32
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math is harder for americans because english is lovely for expressing numbers
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Feb 11, 2024 17:39
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triple sulk posted:math is harder for americans because english is lovely for expressing numbers Math is probably harder for americans because 1 in 5 can't read.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:41
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Biplane posted:Math is probably harder for americans because 1 in 5 can't read. It probably doesn't help, no.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:44
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Beached Whale posted:This is like 90% of parents I went into secondary math education and this is just terribly thought out. There's a very good reason that so many high schoolers can't do math, this visualization does not lead itself to the application of algebra.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:46
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I have a system for mental math where I keep track of groups of numbers or steps or whatnot with my fingers so it looks like im counting to 10 on my hands like a literal child and then ive figured out how much i can add to the clients discount to still maintain the minimum required margin for that product
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Feb 11, 2024 17:46
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Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. Is it just the fact that americans hate elites, and were conditioned into thinking 'educated'=='elite'?
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Feb 11, 2024 17:47
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ProfessorBooty posted:Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. It's just crab bucket mentality, see property taxes being tied to school quality.
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Feb 11, 2024 17:52
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ProfessorBooty posted:Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. Antiintellectualism is a common component of right strategy. It alienates and creates division as a subjective judgement. Also, america worships elite people, but they don't have to be educated, just rich. If a person is wealthy enough, other qualities like intelligence, knowledge, etc are just tacked on as givens Feral Integral has issued a correction as of 17:59 on Feb 11, 2024 |
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Feb 11, 2024 17:53
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ProfessorBooty posted:Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. knowing stuffs gay op
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Feb 11, 2024 17:54
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:I went into secondary math education and this is just terribly thought out. There's a very good reason that so many high schoolers can't do math, this visualization does not lead itself to the application of algebra. Part of the reason is "I NEED A CALCUATOR!"
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Feb 11, 2024 18:00
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Specifically for that example, if you just move the vertical workflow horizontal you get 12 - 3 = 12 - 2 = 10 - 1 = 9 Which has problems
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Feb 11, 2024 18:07
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Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:People just like being mad, simple as that. Talk to an old person for ten minutes and they’ll tell you what they’re mad about today.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:09
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measure and count w the digits on ur hand. good enough to build pyramids, good enough for me
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Feb 11, 2024 18:09
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https://twitter.com/FreightAlley/status/1756717643132989930?t=IH5meSQfwtDx1zspRIo7ig&s=19
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Feb 11, 2024 18:09
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:Specifically for that example, if you just move the vertical workflow horizontal you get I think instead if you do the baby arithmetic problem in the manner presented you get the correct answer and simultaneously lay a foundation for how to use similar techniques with larger numbers but perhaps you're correct that if you change the layout and intentionally misread what's written it's a bit unclear
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Feb 11, 2024 18:10
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Paradoxish posted:That's what I've always thought. Common core is extremely close to how I do mental math, which is I assume how most people do mental math, and the reason it exists in the first place. Teaching kids to approach math in a critical/analytical way seems like an objectively good thing. I remember getting scolded in school because I did so much mental math and would just write out the answer. BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Parents lose their poo poo over it because they can instantly do 12 minus 3 without difficulty and don't understand that the reason they can't do something like 165 minus 74 is because they learned "COUNT THE BEANS" instead of the algorithm that's being taught here Yep, so taking the 12-(2+1) concept that's incredibly simple to learn and using that as the building block for 165-74, you'd immediately go 165-65, 100, 65 plus 9 is 74, 100 minus 9 is 91. Entorwellian posted:This is just going to confuse the poo poo out of kids. I understand it makes it easier for people to learn how to calculate numbers in your head, but the old rote algorithms and the rules governing them are more important to learn at a young age. Serge Lang's Basic Mathematics is the best textbook I've worked through on the subject, and it takes that approach with it. Submarine Sandpaper posted:I went into secondary math education and this is just terribly thought out. There's a very good reason that so many high schoolers can't do math, this visualization does not lead itself to the application of algebra. 
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Feb 11, 2024 18:11
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ram dass in hell posted:I think instead if you do the baby arithmetic problem in the manner presented you get the correct answer and simultaneously lay a foundation for how to use similar techniques with larger numbers but perhaps you're correct that if you change the layout and intentionally misread what's written it's a bit unclear That's the layout presented. The _ disappears on step two. Hth
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Feb 11, 2024 18:14
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Carry the one is dead!
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Feb 11, 2024 18:15
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ProfessorBooty posted:Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. Albion's Seed describes the culture of education in each of America's regional cultures. I think it's fantastic. It's one part taxes, one part a carryover of racial policy, as education was seen as the path to abolitionism, and one part religious tradition of scorning education in favour of "common sense" and charisma.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:15
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Mr Hootington posted:Carry the one is dead! Vaxxed?
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Feb 11, 2024 18:15
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I think a lot of adults forget that kids actually have to learn what seem to be extremely simple concepts first before they can do the complex stuff we take for totally granted. If you're teaching a kid how to kick a soccer ball correctly you're not going to say "Just kick it", you gotta show them how to move their leg and hit it with the right spots on your foot to get various angles and directions. Then you can teach them how to dribble or lift the ball. If you don't show them how to properly kick it then the kid's gonna need some time just screwing around with the ball to be able to intuitively learn or learn by experience what would otherwise be directly taught. Most children aren't innately interested in screwing around with numbers for fun so you gotta teach them how to number.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:16
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Frosted Flake posted:Albion's Seed describes the culture of education in each of America's regional cultures. I think it's fantastic. Thank you History Nerd! I'll read 
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Feb 11, 2024 18:17
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If it makes you feel better, Canada's culture of education was really heavy handed top-down instruction to erase any traces of indigenous or French in the nation, and mold little Protestant administrators, so we still have (had?) an emphasis on rote memorization and crushing exams, read and recite the assigned text from memory the next morning in class etc. I got basically no help with math but I had to see a specialist from the school board because I was being disciplined for holding the pencil incorrectly too many times. So, you know, priorities.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:20
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A 10s and 1s square or box representation works a hell of a lot better there. Also shows that 12 = 10 + 2 rather than assuming that a kid knows that 12 - 2 = 10, but not that they can take it a number further.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:21
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ProfessorBooty posted:Might not be a thread for this, but do any history nerds have any light to shed on why americans in particular have such a revulsion to education? I remember in history classes there being similar sentiments in the early 20th century. okay I’m feeling another frosted flake post being written by chatgpt as we speak
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Feb 11, 2024 18:22
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:A 10s and 1s square or box representation works a hell of a lot better there. Also shows that 12 = 10 + 2 rather than assuming that a kid knows that 12 - 2 = 10, but not that they can take it a number further. they do that too. see this is the thing if you follow along with a kid doing this stuff you’ll notice that they have them do these exercises in about five different ways, including that way. presumably because different people understand things differently
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Feb 11, 2024 18:23
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ram dass in hell posted:Vaxxed?
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Feb 11, 2024 18:23
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i am harry posted:okay I’m feeling another frosted flake post being written by chatgpt as we speak ChatGPT can't write 11 sentence paragraphs, because it didn't got to Catholic school, ergo I write my giant posts.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:23
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lmao is there a bishop  smiley?
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Feb 11, 2024 18:23
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think a lot of adults forget that kids actually have to learn what seem to be extremely simple concepts first before they can do the complex stuff we take for totally granted. I just want to see what the results are at the end. If math score and skills go up as a result of the common core stuff when kids are tested, then I'd change my mind about it.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:25
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i am harry posted:they do that too. see this is the thing if you follow along with a kid doing this stuff you’ll notice that they have them do these exercises in about five different ways, including that way. And the provided representation is uniquely poor because you're introducing colors for some reason instead of setting a foundation for algebra.
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Feb 11, 2024 18:25
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SKULL.GIF posted:I think a lot of adults forget that kids actually have to learn what seem to be extremely simple concepts first before they can do the complex stuff we take for totally granted. or if you're a black parent just austically screech at your kids constantly during homework like non-stop remind them how stupid they are works everytime!1!1 
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Feb 11, 2024 18:29
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:or if you're a black parent just austically screech at your kids constantly 
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Feb 11, 2024 18:32
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Doomsday Education thread is that way 
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Feb 11, 2024 18:33
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Scarabrae posted:Doomsday Education thread is that way https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3914241
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Feb 11, 2024 18:34
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School-to-Prision pipeline exists nuff said
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Feb 11, 2024 18:36
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