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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

maxwellhill posted:

Corsi boxes. For the use case where left running in a room with several people, they're supposed to keep them safe from one another. I'm wondering how we square that with those visualizations/simulations that showed how exhalations actually travel in rooms (generally upward toward the ceiling quite fast, spreading from there).

Wouldn't a corsi box on the floor, pointed at the ceiling, tend to push (the hottest, freshest, most infectious) exhalations stuck at ceiling level back downward sooner, to inhalation level, long before they happen to reach the box?

If so, I guess it means the long term buildup (on the order of minutes/hours) gets treated but only at the expense of the most concentrated danger in the situation (on the order of seconds) getting worse. Should corsi boxes thus be pointing sideways in all rooms that might still have an active infection? Because uhhh that's not how we're using them

Corsi boxes use furnace filters. They're not single pass purifiers anyway so you're preventing viral aerosols from building up over time, not preventing a single particle from making it across the room once. The latter is like a clean room use-case where you need extremely high cfm hepa filters or vertical evacuation fans or both.

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Rescue Toaster
Mar 13, 2003

Salt Fish posted:

Partical counters are cheap and fun to play with. They will convince you about how good corsi cubes are. It's honestly way overkill in a normal residential space, but there aren't really downsides.

I want one of those things for measuring the fit factor of masks, but they're horribly expensive, or random used ones on ebay that who knows how well they work anymore, and presumably cannot be calibrated.

Dren
Jan 5, 2001

Pillbug

Rescue Toaster posted:

I want one of those things for measuring the fit factor of masks, but they're horribly expensive, or random used ones on ebay that who knows how well they work anymore, and presumably cannot be calibrated.

That’s a portacount. It’s a condensing particle counter (CPC). You can get them for maybe $800 on ebay. They measure from 0.02 to 1.0 microns. Respiratory aerosols are about 0.3-3.0 micron. Cheap particle counters are only useful 0.3 or 0.5 up to 1.0 even though they report lots of other sizes. The numbers they report for those other sizes are crap.

edit: Also the cheap particle counters typically only work correctly at certain concentration ranges, which are not necessarily documented.

Anyway, get something with a PMS5003 or an SPS30 and time average the PM1.0 at 60s to end up with decent data. It will show you how fast the particles drop and it is possible to calculate the CADR of an air cleaner.

edit: Aaron Collins is making an opencpc, which will probably be cheaper than a new portacount but less cheap than a used one.

Dren has issued a correction as of 20:59 on Feb 11, 2024

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?
Indian minister of health is a COVID (and influenza) hot takes machine.

https://www.rediff.com/news/report/covid-mutated-223-times-not-that-deadly-anymore-govt/20240209.htm posted:

Covid mutated 223 times, not that deadly anymore: Govt

The COVID-19 virus got mutated 223 times in the world and its harmful effects have come down substantially over time, Union Health Minister Mansukh Mandaviya said in Lok Sabha on Friday.

He also said that COVID-19 will continue to remain like influenza and its present variants are not deadly.

"When a virus gets mutated more than 100 times, its harmful effects get reduced. Covid also got mutated. So far, the Covid virus got mutated 223 times," he said during the Question Hour.

He said that like influenza, which hits people once or twice every year, "Covid is with us and it will remain."

"Covid sub-variants are not that deadly and there are no negative effects," he said.
(..)

:ok:

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


"There are no negative effects" lmao

I play lovely online shooters and the other day two guys on voice chat just started bullshitting about how they've both had Covid six or more times and how they have no choice because of their jobs and it just is what it is, being sick all the time is their only choice if they want to pay their rent. cool!

Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

I play lovely online shooters and the other day two guys on voice chat just started bullshitting about how they've both had Covid six or more times and how they have no choice because of their jobs and it just is what it is, being sick all the time is their only choice if they want to pay their rent. cool!
Think of how much immunity they've built up at this point.

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Zugzwang posted:

Think of how much immunity they've built up at this point.

Considering the interest we're seeing on immunity debt, they'll be set for life!

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
"influenza, which hits people once or twice every year"

Pingui
Jun 4, 2006

WTF?

Salt Fish posted:

"influenza, which hits people once or twice every year"

What I gather from that is that it would be interesting to see the Indian influenza statistics. I suspect they have had a substantial increase since 2020 for some reason.

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

Pingui posted:

Indian minister of health is a COVID (and influenza) hot takes machine.

:ok:

lol flu twice a year :whitewater:

FunkyFjord
Jul 18, 2004



drat I'm like 70 flu infections short, thats some big immunity debt

mags
May 30, 2008

I am a congenital optimist.

FunkyFjord posted:

drat I'm like 70 flu infections short, thats some big immunity debt

covid can help consolidate yr debts, mildly and endemically

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

I had to use tram two days ago and forgot my masks home because I am a big noob. There were quite a few runny noses around, and naturally already yesterday I started feeling a bit unwell. Today I have chills, and still feeling worse. It is completely possible that my immune system manages to fight the bugs off and I won't get really sick, but still. Why even one mistake always has to end up like this. How do regular people manage? Perhaps their immune systems aren't as deep in debt as mine?

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
In a recent NYT piece,

quote:

And then one day, something had changed. “People started looking me in the eye, and I knew they were smiling although I couldn’t see the smile,” she said, gesturing to indicate the masks everyone wore at the time.

Setting is an American university.

Guess when “the time” when everyone wore masks was.

spring 2022

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Weka posted:

As an aside, it is pretty easy to look this stuff up. I just went to the wikipedia page for zero covid and followed the citation for the Chinese CDC position. For the last one I just did a google search like 'covid XBB severity' or something.

Next time ask Chat GPT.

Steve Yun
Aug 7, 2003
I'm a parasitic landlord that needs to get a job instead of stealing worker's money. Make sure to remind me when I post.
Soiled Meat
https://www.tiktok.com/embed/7334526555852393770

Diamonds On MY Fish
Dec 10, 2008

I WAS BORN THIS WAY
So, my sister helped run the phase 1/3 study for the first Moderna vaccine.
She just found out this morning that this next-gen study got pushed from this spring to this fall, which sucks, but I didn't know about it in the first place. samRNA sounds interesting, but I don't get why making other parts of the virus besides spike protein will help, as infection itself doesn't confer lasting immunity. Also, in my head now I will always think of it as "something awful mRNA"

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe

Diamonds On MY Fish posted:

I don't get why making other parts of the virus besides spike protein will help, as infection itself doesn't confer lasting immunity.

This is a big part of the hopelessness for me as well. SARS-CoV-2 evades immunity so I'm not sure how a vaccine alone is supposed to help. It doesn't seem like a good plan to me.

bred
Oct 24, 2008
Sinus-to-air mucus

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010

Dren posted:

That’s a portacount. It’s a condensing particle counter (CPC). You can get them for maybe $800 on ebay. They measure from 0.02 to 1.0 microns. Respiratory aerosols are about 0.3-3.0 micron. Cheap particle counters are only useful 0.3 or 0.5 up to 1.0 even though they report lots of other sizes. The numbers they report for those other sizes are crap.

edit: Also the cheap particle counters typically only work correctly at certain concentration ranges, which are not necessarily documented.

Anyway, get something with a PMS5003 or an SPS30 and time average the PM1.0 at 60s to end up with decent data. It will show you how fast the particles drop and it is possible to calculate the CADR of an air cleaner.

edit: Aaron Collins is making an opencpc, which will probably be cheaper than a new portacount but less cheap than a used one.

I'm starting into microcontrollers, is the SenseAir S8 still "it" for accurate CO2?

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




Steve Yun posted:

remember that weird rich guy who is doing weird things like taking his son’s plasma to live longer? turns out he has long COVID

https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1756316495603462402?s=46

wow, turns out all of your extreme efforts to keep yourself young and healthy can be rapidly undone by a covid infection. that's so crazy, who would have thought

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Steve Yun posted:

remember that weird rich guy who is doing weird things like taking his son’s plasma to live longer? turns out he has long COVID

https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1756316495603462402?s=46

A MILD CASE OF LOSING 15% OF YOUR LUNG CAPACITY

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


BUT IT'S MILD

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Steve Yun posted:

remember that weird rich guy who is doing weird things like taking his son’s plasma to live longer? turns out he has long COVID

https://x.com/bryan_johnson/status/1756316495603462402?s=46

So this dude, instead of spending $2m a year on his youth regimen, could have just spent $450/yr on a case of Auras and came out better off.

Steely Dad
Jul 29, 2006



An important wellness strategy is to focus on feeling gratitude for the mildness of his sickness, and for the 85% of lung capacity he hasn't yet lost

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


i mean i dunno why we're taking this absolute lunatic's word

no doubt people are injured by PASC but who knows what he's on about

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




idk I just kinda figured he was the kind of freak who would get an in-depth physical done every week just so he could stay that much more on top of his health min-maxing

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

He bought one of those medical ultrasound machine and placed it in his home and have a specialist come in weekly and check his organ and all that. He definitely know because he's been seeing the damage happening over time.

Honestly he could legit be one of the best source for in depth study for PASC since he has all that poo poo load of data on weekly/daily basis. Far better than a spreadsheet

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
But how did it impact his erection quality, which is an actual thing that he posts about?

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb

Platystemon posted:

But how did it impact his erection quality, which is an actual thing that he posts about?

Nothing says "quality" like having an erection for 90 minutes straight.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Salt Fish posted:

Nothing says "quality" like having an erection for 90 minutes straight.

the original, unabridged title of the workout regimen was "8 Minute Abs, 90 Minute Erections"

Raskolnikov2089
Nov 3, 2006

Schizzy to the matic
Imagine having a dad who tweets about his erections.

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer

Raskolnikov2089 posted:

Imagine having a dad who tweets about his erections.

hard dads unite

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010

lookit this dumby never heard of pertussis

NeonPunk
Dec 21, 2020

Psycho Society posted:

lookit this dumby never heard of pertussis

There's a difference between coughing for under 30 days constantly and coughing for more than 100 days constantly

Psycho Society
Oct 21, 2010
if you're gonna white splain yourself about covid best not to be both wrong and irritating. looks bad

(the tiktok person, not you)



Zugzwang
Jan 2, 2005

You have a kind of sick desperation in your laugh.


Ramrod XTreme
If you cough for more than 100 days, you had mild COVID. If you cough for 100 days, you had milder COVID. If you cough for under 100 days, you had mildest COVID.

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003

Cybernetic Crumb
Susceptibilityto other
respiratory infections

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Raskolnikov2089 posted:

Imagine having a dad who tweets about his erections.

why imagine it when you can be that dad?

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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
Pertussis aka whooping cough genuinely sucks so bad. Did you know that adults need to get a Tdap booster every 10 years? I had no clue, and then I got whooping cough. Extremely do not recommend, which is why I now constantly post PSAs telling goons to get Tdap boostered. Vaxmaxxing

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