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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
the lovely thing about the zizeks and chomskys of the world is that criticizing capitalism is so astoundingly easy that even an anarchist can do it

these guys have both contributed pretty useful ideas to the understanding of modern capitalism and ideology but they're ultimately not capable of actually approaching imperialism and geopolitics and the material world as it actually is, they're still loving chauvinist western pigs

i guess that's why they're allowed to do the work at all, the censorship of the liberal empire is extremely strong by virtue of how hard it is to see

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my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Jel Shaker posted:

i just listened to a recent interview with slavoj sizek and his argument was that it was a good thing that we armed Ukraine at the start of the conflict, because it has led to a stalemate, which potentially means that Ukraine can win the war…

I think I put my head in my hands at that point, this war has really melted the brains of any western thinker, or maybe these guys were always terrible, but I just didn’t notice

Zizek has always been the type who identifies as an intellectual communist but disavows any examples of actual existing communism. He is a thinker and a writer but kind of stupid when it comes to the real world. He swallowed wholesale the image of Ukraine as plucky freedom fighters against the totalitarian Russian invaders without understanding at all what America and NATO see the role of Ukraine as.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
yea, i dunno when exactly the collapse will come, but when it does i'm thinking it's gonna be faster than anybody expects

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

RedSky posted:

Zizeks always been a piece of poo poo, a useful one for western narratives.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Ardennes posted:

Basically, the dudes who lived up to their words are dead/wounded/on the front line still, and then there are bunch of dudes who are very supportive of the war as long as nothing changes for them personally.

This is a huge part of the equation and is probably the fault line that will lead to an eventual collapse. A big chunk of the population, mostly in west Ukraine, falls into this category of fanatically supporting rhe war effort but not wanting to themselves fight.

There's gonna come a point where this pool will have to be recruited from.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Flournival Dixon posted:

I feel like the war goes until the government surrenders or collapses (then the new government surrenders), Russia won't have to march to Kiev to end the thing. They'll keep throwing bodies at the front until the state fails. Since the current government will never surrender they'll have to be overthrown by the military or the people at some point.

I don't think Russia will ever have any need to end the thing in a hurry, medium pressure and slow slow advances should do them just fine, especially considering how bad it looks to the people paying billions of dollars for dozens of artillery shells when the colours on the map change in the wrong direction.

The issue is also one of mechanics, the Russians could probably overwhelm large parts of the country with the force they have now but urban warfare is extremely nasty even if it is in relatively small towns (look how the IDF found out). Drones, better optics, and ATGMs etc haven't made it better.

Arguably the Russians probably could come in and slowly turn every large city in Ukraine into a Grozny but very clearly that is simply a waste and counterproductive (especially in terms of men, equipment, ammo, and it just makes any post-war situation much harder).

Really, they need a situation where Ukraine is not only so chaotic and divided that the frontlines fall apart but there is just no one left who really cares to festung cities beyond some scattered milita and political units. The tricky part is that they continually need to fight set-piece makes like Bakhmut and Avdiivka to keep on sapping manpower. It is why Ukrainian society really does need to be brought to the brink because that is the only thing that is going to stop Kiev from attempting some last ditch Berlin-style defense of where-ever.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

It's weird because as a Yugoslavian, he should know how the game is played

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Frosted Flake posted:

It's weird because as a Yugoslavian, he should know how the game is played

He was literally one of the dudes responsible for breaking it up.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1756927248936951929

Reduced Company of Heroes

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024

Ardennes posted:

Really, they need a situation where Ukraine is not only so chaotic and divided that the frontlines fall apart but there is just no one left who really cares to festung cities beyond some scattered milita and political units. The tricky part is that they continually need to fight set-piece makes like Bakhmut and Avdiivka to keep on sapping manpower. It is why Ukrainian society really does need to be brought to the brink because that is the only thing that is going to stop Kiev from attempting some last ditch Berlin-style defense of where-ever.

Yeah it's a depressing thought, I feel like earlier in the war they just surrounded a couple cities and let the soldiers inside just run out of supplies and surrender to sustained light pressure, but I can't remember specifics anymore.

Frosted Flake posted:

It's weird because as a Yugoslavian, he should know how the game is played

If I had the time or brainpower I'd be interested to understand the way that political theory got liberalized and weakened in the post-kruschev years of the USSR. History is so loving big and I only care about the stuff after 1867 and even that is just so much that i'll never fully understand.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Cerebral Bore posted:

yea, i dunno when exactly the collapse will come, but when it does i'm thinking it's gonna be faster than anybody expects

Slowly at first, then all at once.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Flournival Dixon posted:

I only care about the stuff after 1867 and even that is just so much that i'll never fully understand.

🇨🇦⚖️🇦🇹🇭🇺

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
lmao

i picked that date because its when capital vol 1 got published but i guess that's not the only thing that happened that year

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Flournival Dixon posted:

Yeah it's a depressing thought, I feel like earlier in the war they just surrounded a couple cities and let the soldiers inside just run out of supplies and surrender to sustained light pressure, but I can't remember specifics anymore.

If I had the time or brainpower I'd be interested to understand the way that political theory got liberalized and weakened in the post-kruschev years of the USSR. History is so loving big and I only care about the stuff after 1867 and even that is just so much that i'll never fully understand.

Some units got pocketed and surrendered early on, and some cities were nearly cut off, but none of the major ones surrendered; I think a lot of it is just that the Russians do see Ukrainians as "their own people" in a sense. There was little desire to push a full siege beyond individual units that got separated. I don't think there is any real desire to starve Kiev or Kharkov into submission.

It is why the strategy is to slowly weaken the government out of Kiev as they are forced to enact less and less popular and more draconian methods. The political units are simply not numerous enough to fight the war on their own while keeping a lid on the population.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
That makes sense, I'd like to think that even Kiev could be reunified with Russia and my perception of irreconcilability of the western ukrainians is just a result of my being located on the other side of the world.

Such things feel distant now that North Korea finally gave up on reunification but the world is still large.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Flournival Dixon posted:

lmao

i picked that date because its when capital vol 1 got published but i guess that's not the only thing that happened that year

it is the only thing that happened that year

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

lobster shirt posted:

it is the only thing that happened that year

hello? the invention of dynamite? 100s of millions dead due to Alfred Nobel?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

gradenko_2000 posted:

hello? the invention of dynamite? 100s of millions dead due to Alfred Nobel?

And even more artillery shells.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

gradenko_2000 posted:

hello? the invention of dynamite? 100s of millions dead due to Alfred Nobel?

never heard of it

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Бумажная Zмея/СВО posted:

In Avdiivka, the enemy went on the offensive.
(from t.me/bumaznayaZmeya/42993, via tgsa)

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

ЗеРада posted:


💰🇺🇦💰IMF representatives have arrived in Kiev, said Vahram Stepanyan, Permanent Representative of the IMF in Ukraine.

"The IMF team, led by Uma Ramakrishnan, Deputy Director of the IMF's European Department, begins meetings with representatives of the Ukrainian authorities and other partners in Kiev today," the statement said.

The parties are expected to discuss Ukraine's economic challenges and international obligations. It is clear that the main thing is that the international obligations of the IMF are beginning to worry a lot about their money invested in Ukraine.


The IMF team will also take part in the inaugural meeting of the Steering committee of the IMF-administered Capacity Development Fund of Ukraine on February 13. At this meeting, representatives of the Ukrainian authorities, development partners and IMF specialists will discuss "priorities for strengthening Ukraine's capabilities and IMF support for this important task."

After these meetings, on February 17, the IMF mission headed by Gavin Gray will begin discussions with representatives of the Ukrainian authorities in Warsaw in the context of the third revision of the IMF-supported extended financing program.

In general, Ukraine will not receive money from the IMF until March.
(from t.me/ZeRada1/18128, via tgsa)

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be


is that a ukrainian account?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Should be Russian.

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

Megamissen posted:

is that a ukrainian account?

that accounts bio says "volunteer in the SMO zone" so almost certainly russian

Megamissen
Jul 19, 2022

any post can be a kannapost
if you want it to be

seems insane for the ukrainians to go on the offensive there

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

https://i.imgur.com/UTNAdPs.mp4

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Megamissen posted:

seems insane for the ukrainians to go on the offensive there

Bad news about the Ukrainian general staff…

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"
https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1756619842482815189

One of the more prominent OSINT guys has been turning on NAFO lately. Weird.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
It makes sense that there'd be a split between the bandera guys and the USA guys with big Z firing little Z. That guys bio says "Vote Zaluzhnyi 2024" lol

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

zizek is also 74 and pretty old.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Flournival Dixon posted:

It makes sense that there'd be a split between the bandera guys and the USA guys with big Z firing little Z. That guys bio says "Vote Zaluzhnyi 2024" lol

The problem that the political types are supposed to hold the whole thing together in the end after anyone else committed to actually fighting is gone, and there is only going to be more pressure on such an "alliance" as harder choices need to be made. Basically, big Z has better have some concessions rolled out.

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 16:21 on Feb 12, 2024

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

euphronius posted:

zizek is also 74 and pretty old.

He should run for president.

Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
i don't know much about the new guy, does he also have a weirdly proportioned bandera portrait in his office

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

Megamissen posted:

seems insane for the ukrainians to go on the offensive there

I saw reports on my timeline that supposedly the weather was very poor in Avdiivka area today, meaning the drones could not be up in the air. It was speculated that both sides took this opportunity to bring in a bunch of reinforcements into the city, which could be what the Russian source is referring to.

There still doesn't seem to be any indication that Ukraine is considering pulling their troops out of the cauldron, they want to keep on fighting for now at least..

slave to my cravings
Mar 1, 2007

Got my mind on doritos and doritos on my mind.

Frosted Flake posted:

It's weird because as a Yugoslavian, he should know how the game is played

man from Yugoslavia named Slav

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

all slavs slav the same.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
rip

https://twitter.com/UnseenOps/status/1756828052909101276

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

the fall of the ussr was a tragedy for mankind

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

lobster shirt posted:

the fall of the ussr was a tragedy for mankind

yep

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Flournival Dixon
Jan 29, 2024
the sino soviet split was a tragedy for mankind, the fall of the ussr is just an extension of the original sin of chauvinist revisionism

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