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Decon posted:On the other hand, Americans are loving dumb and they'll tolerate nearly any thought or opinion so long as it doesn't threaten corporations' bottom line and isn't racial slur riddled (and even then the jury is out). Your "drunk racist uncle" is just an an annoyance, but anyone that thinks maybe Walmart should pay taxes is an active threat to the nation. Eh, corporations are perfectly happy to sell you Eat The Rich T-shirts when they're comfortable that nothing will get done about it anyway.
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PhazonLink posted:you know even if it most likely helps Rs lose, I dont like that people just use this as a shortcut to thinking who/what to vote for. 18% of a demographic that tends to skew young isn't too bad. Lots of kids who haven't yet formed their own beliefs vote based on what an authority figure says or tells them. Swift is as good a choice as what their parents grumble about at the dinner table.
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Clarste posted:Eh, corporations are perfectly happy to sell you Eat The Rich T-shirts when they're comfortable that nothing will get done about it anyway. (if primary voters could get it through their thick loving skulls that the purpose of a primary is to vote for who you actually like Biden would be out pretty fast, now and four years ago) The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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Subjunctive posted:I think it’s important to note that the FBI did not do that in order to have those people make leftist movements more successful, exactly. I understand that. EDIT Follow up 1 in 3 Republicans believes baseless Taylor Swift election conspiracy theory, poll finds https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/14/media/taylor-swift-election-conspiracy-theory-poll/index.html quote:About one-third of Republicans say they believe Taylor Swift is involved in a covert government effort to help Joe Biden win the 2024 presidential election, a poll published Wednesday from Monmouth University found. BiggerBoat fucked around with this message at 13:55 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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The Islamic Shock posted:Jon Stewart very accurately both-sidesing how hosed it is that we as people just let Trump vs. Biden II happen is a great example of how paying people to express dissent is good for our oligarchs because it allows people to feel frustrated, heard and valid without affecting any actual change The primary is useless when the party suppresses any challengers
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BiggerBoat posted:I understand that. I have friends that continue to go down this "Deep State" rabbit hole and its pointless to argue, best we have found is to just try and get them to explain how they think it all operates and hope they catch on to their own dissonance and contradictions when it starts to become obvious it doesn't make any sense. Unfortunately within a week it seems they've picked up some new RWM hot take and the cycle continues. Best I can do for my own mental health now I think is try and stay off the internet. RadioDog fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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...! posted:lol Fox News recently asked Blackburn what she'd do if Taylor endorsed her opponent again this time. Blackburn responded with the most pathetic answer basically sucking up to Taylor. The Fox News people clearly thought she would attack Taylor if asked so they kept rewording the question and asking her again. Her answers got more and more pathetic, basically begging Taylor not to do it. I mean, it's still Tennessee. Unless Swift uses her billions to start relocating left-wing voters en masse to the state, it'll be a long, long time before a Dem ousts anyone in a statewide election. (I think the last time was, what, the 1996 presidential election?)
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BiggerBoat posted:I understand that. Not that they'd think of this but what kind of Radical Leftist Democrat is Joe Biden if he rigged the game in favor of a team named the Kansas City Chiefs
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I didn’t think Tucker could be any more pathetic, but this is just unbelievably sad. And all while daddy Putin dunks on him. https://twitter.com/ronfilipkowski/status/1758115980759253306?s=46&t=IW0MSOWK0Lh4VsB3wVLoOA
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The Islamic Shock posted:As also mentioned above it seems like the super obvious counter to this is go "that's impressive, how'd they pull that one off" and make sure to let them know why the insane poo poo coming out of their mouth is insane poo poo in the most intuitive, easy-to-understand way possible Trying to reason people out of positions they used emotions to get themselves in to never works though. At best, AT BEST, you'll get them to concede one specific sub-point of minutia tucked away in a corner of the conversation they don't actually care about while maintaining the same emotional core of their beliefs. That will evaporate in a puff of anger and dopamine when they go back to whatever well of hatred propaganda they're drawing from that reinforces their desire to hate whoever it is they hated in the first place.
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Anno posted:I didn’t think Tucker could be any more pathetic, but this is just unbelievably sad. And all while daddy Putin dunks on him. This is possibly a direct reference to when Boris Yeltsin visited a grocery store near Houston, TX in 1989. He was there visiting NASA and a conversation was had about seeing how everyday people lived - given his experiences in the Soviet Union and the politburo vs. the ordinary citizens, his handlers took him to the nearest Randall's. He was surprised by the experience, in the best way possible.
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Clarste posted:Eh, corporations are perfectly happy to sell you Eat The Rich T-shirts when they're comfortable that nothing will get done about it anyway. Corporations are happy to sell anything, but in my personal experience individual Americans, even the "left leaning" ones, will trend towards anger at your "eat the rich" t shirt from Amazon.
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tried eating the rich once but found it to fatty and all the money they stuffed their pockets with added a weird aftertaste
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Idk where Tucker is but assuming he’s hitting rich bits of Moscow or Piter while being rich I don’t doubt he’s having a better time than what you would in an average american city. My german bff loves NYC and NOLA and constantly complains about her small town in the former DDR. However she is smart enough to realize that being a tourist to touristy places is not representative of being an american in Wichita, Kansas
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He’s purposely ignoring the fact that he is shopping with dollars and is not a Russian citizen
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gift shopping in the Emperor's Crystal Palace while your handlers cover your bills and saying "man, they got it so much better here in the Imperial Kingdom of Misery"
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FlamingLiberal posted:He’s purposely ignoring the fact that he is shopping with dollars and is not a Russian citizen It seems like he's purposely ignoring any shopping at all and just standing at the front of the store in a spot where, conveniently, we can't see any of the great products or bargains he's talking about.
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My mom used to work with people from Brno and when they came to the US for business they spent 3 hours in a Walmart because they thought it was amazing to have a store with so much stuff. The average-case shopping experience in the US is absurdly good compared to just about anywhere else, except for the part where you need a car. OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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OneEightHundred posted:My mom used to work with people from Brno and when they came to the US for business they spent 3 hours in a Walmart because they thought it was amazing to have a store with so much stuff.  Nowadays there are huge supermarkets everywhere that aren't super different from Walmart. You even need a car to get to some of them. E. I don't know about russia but in Ukraine you'd have regular supermarkets that have also great selections of fresh food and cakes and bread that isn't poo poo. Which is in pretty stark contrast compared to the boring stuff most of western europe seems to get. Plus the basic stuff must look completely free to a rich gently caress like tucks    
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bird food bathtub posted:Trying to reason people out of positions they used emotions to get themselves in to never works though. At best, AT BEST, you'll get them to concede one specific sub-point of minutia tucked away in a corner of the conversation they don't actually care about while maintaining the same emotional core of their beliefs. That will evaporate in a puff of anger and dopamine when they go back to whatever well of hatred propaganda they're drawing from that reinforces their desire to hate whoever it is they hated in the first place. World Famous W posted:tried eating the rich once but found it to fatty and all the money they stuffed their pockets with added a weird aftertaste The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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to be honest, i don't need as much choice in the supermarket as offered. 20 different brands of the same poo poo, the store brand likely coming from the same source insert burns in the grocery store gif here
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World Famous W posted:to be honest, i don't need as much choice in the supermarket as offered. 20 different brands of the same poo poo, the store brand likely coming from the same source When I was a kid we had 4 flavors of gum
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mobby_6kl posted:Lol when was that, in the 80s? Yeah I do know about Russia and it’s pretty loving dire compared to anywhere in the US, Canada, or EU that I’ve been if you aren’t in one of the rich bits, which are growing smaller and more elite by the day
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xeria posted:I mean, it's still Tennessee. Unless Swift uses her billions to start relocating left-wing voters en masse to the state, it'll be a long, long time before a Dem ousts anyone in a statewide election. (I think the last time was, what, the 1996 presidential election?) And yet she was clearly terrified anyway. Considering how Marsha tends to go for the throat of literally anyone who thinks even slightly differently than she does (she's one of the most evil fucks in Congress; look at her attacking Justice Jackson during her confirmation hearing for just one of many good examples), her obsequiousness toward Taylor is pretty telling. She must have seen that fan poll. That's the power of Taylor Swift.
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https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1758246226447737249 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woDbst5LJrU OgNar fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Feb 16, 2024 |
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OgNar posted:https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/1758246226447737249 Is this the same "damning witness" who didn't show up for his scheduled testimony because was a federal fugitive who'd fled overseas for several years, causing the FBI's ears to perk up when the Republicans announced he'd be in the country to testify? Afterwards, this naturally caused all the Republicans to go on Fox News and yell "It sure is convenient that Joe Biden's FBI announced that they'd be arresting our star witness right before he was scheduled to testify about his son! Corruption!" Never mind that the FBI had been actively hunting for the guy for years. In fact, I'm pretty sure Trump was President when the guy was charged.
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So...republicans have memory holed reagan entirely I guess and are now all in on Russia is cool and good while Ronnie spins in his grave? I'd posit that most of them might be too young to know about Reagan but that doesn't check out either. I guess it's just down to a basic (misunderstood) understanding that RR was a conservative hero without knowing the first thing about anything he said, did or even stood for and now - since they have a new, modern nominee for Mt. Rushmore in Trump - they have to like and admire Putin/Russia like he does. Come to think of it, I was pretty young at the time but all this is making me wonder how much republicans in the 80's really understood Reagan in the first place beyond "economy better now because Carter gone" but surely at least half of the GOP base has some basic sense of the Cold War and a few might have learned about the nuclear threat before that. But god drat these people don't seem to really understand anything beyond flags, bibles and guns are good. Also money. Which one can use to buy more guns, flags and bibles. So simple. USA USA USA
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BiggerBoat posted:So...republicans have memory holed reagan entirely I guess and are now all in on Russia is cool and good while Ronnie spins in his grave? I'd posit that most of them might be too young to know about Reagan but that doesn't check out either. I guess it's just down to a basic (misunderstood) understanding that RR was a conservative hero without knowing the first thing about anything he said, did or even stood for and now - since they have a new, modern nominee for Mt. Rushmore in Trump - they have to like and admire Putin/Russia like he does. https://www.theonion.com/embarrassed-republicans-admit-theyve-been-thinking-of-e-1819572284 They never had a clue anyway
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Anno posted:I didn’t think Tucker could be any more pathetic, but this is just unbelievably sad. And all while daddy Putin dunks on him. This is, straight up, part of their state messaging playbook, a product of having never recovered from inverse messaging toward the end of the cold war. If it seems ludicrous, that's fine- it's intended for domestic consumption.
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BiggerBoat posted:So...republicans have memory holed reagan entirely I guess and are now all in on Russia is cool and good while Ronnie spins in his grave? I'd posit that most of them might be too young to know about Reagan but that doesn't check out either. I guess it's just down to a basic (misunderstood) understanding that RR was a conservative hero without knowing the first thing about anything he said, did or even stood for and now - since they have a new, modern nominee for Mt. Rushmore in Trump - they have to like and admire Putin/Russia like he does. For all the things that the right is incoherent about, cold warrior conservatives always focused on hating Russia because they were communists and the deification of Reagan really kicked in during the decade-long victory lap over the fall of the Soviet Union when they could say their boy Ronnie was the one who did it when all those Democrats failed to contain communism. Embracing their transition to a "capitalist democracy" made sense, even and especially when the words are bare cover for an authoritarian ethnostate with rigged elections and markets captured by oligarchs. Because boy is it a right-wing one. For them, Putin's Russia is Reagan's greatest victory, the ultimate reversal of Soviet communism. They don't even think of Putin, like Stalin, thinking himself as basically heir to the tsars. I mean, some of them like Tucker go full-on Russian toady, but for the most part even the pro-Russian right still like facing off against Russia as a rival power when like Putin talks about how Alaska should be Russian again or when their planes buzz ours in international waters or something. They don't care about Ukraine since it was part of Russia when they were young anyway, who cares. They see him as an ally in the War on Woke, and think the US could benefit from replicating his ideas of implementing social conservatism and nationalist jingoism. The whole thing is a lot like the relationship of the American right to Hitler before Pearl Harbor: they didn't want to see the US directly Germanized (except for the German-American Bund anyway) or subservient to foreign power, they just thought we needed Hitler's kind of white nationalist thinking here at home. Wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross, as the saying went. And saw him as less of a threat then FDR. A lot of it's real dumb to be sure, but it's way less weird than the part of the left that spent ages stanning for a right-wing capitalist ethnostate because they still venerate Lenin's tomb  and talk poo poo about the west.
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It happened on my 9th birthday, but the way I understand it, under Reagan, there was an op designed to convince everyone on either side of the Berlin Wall that the Wall will no longer be guarded or some such, creating a flash mob on either side of the wall that soldiers would not fire upon. And it worked, and then an angry mob descended on the KGB HQ, and the scrawny nerd inside barricaded the doors, burned all the documents, slinked out the door pretending to be a civilian hostage being released by the big bad mean James Bond type agents, then he had his caterer conspire with Bannon to get Trump elected.
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Please read an actual history book about the ending stage of the cold war instead of whatever that semi word salad is.
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So 1924*-present or we pretending that the USSR wasn’t Russian Empire, but flag red? Bein’ in Astana and raising my kids here I’ve kinda got to to point out how nobody wanted to be reconquered by Russia But Nice We Swear or the soviets being the ones who colonized and genocided this country or how the USSR itself constantly called itself Soviet Russia or Great Russia *1921 but that was pre-mummy-Lenin Lenin and Stalin woulda fuckin loved Putin is what I’m saying
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah I do know about Russia and it’s pretty loving dire compared to anywhere in the US, Canada, or EU that I’ve been if you aren’t in one of the rich bits, which are growing smaller and more elite by the day Oh no doubt poo poo sucks in buttfuck Siberia but I'm sure tuck didn't go there. Also there's now a community note on that post pointing out that over 60% of russian population spends more than half of their income on food. Oops. Also the average income of $700 is certainly skewed by bougie muscovites.
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Josef bugman posted:Please read an actual history book about the ending stage of the cold war instead of whatever that semi word salad is. Seriously everyone knows it was Reagan himself who one day on a whim took a flight to Germany, walked up to the wall with a boombox blasting "born in the USA" on his solder and a sledgehammer in his hand and dismantled the entire wall single handedly, and thus defeating communism forever. Of course he was so deep into dementia at that stage he thought he was dismantling a hospital treating AIDS patients.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:So 1924*-present or we pretending that the USSR wasn’t Russian Empire, but flag red? Bein’ in Astana and raising my kids here I’ve kinda got to to point out how nobody wanted to be reconquered by Russia But Nice We Swear or the soviets being the ones who colonized and genocided this country or how the USSR itself constantly called itself Soviet Russia or Great Russia I won't dispute that, but I mean during the cold war you can squint and see why a Western leftist might have thought the Soviet Union was a socialist ally against capitalism and imperialism provided they didn't look deep and graded on a curve. But now any pretense of that is pulled away and Russia openly revels in being the imperialist capitalist state the socialists all warned us was the inevitable fate of the west. Even the brand of shallow-rear end leftist that just craves the aesthetic of red touching yellow on a flag no longer has a reason to support Russia, but some continue the ritual out of ancestral memory. The right has plenty of poo poo that stupid and there are way more Trump-worshipping Christians than Putin-defending leftists for example, I just mean that it's perfectly consistent for an American conservative to hate the 1980s Soviet Union that (ever so performatively) spit on capitalism, right-wing ethnonationalism, and Christianity while embracing the 2020s Russian Federation that openly loves all those things.
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