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Skios posted:Chip Bok
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Amazing. Adam Zyglis Clay Bennett It says "COVID-19 Booster Vaccine". Dave Whamond David Horsey David Horsey posted:Today’s teenagers live in a world of bullying, vicious gossip, sexual harassment, commercial exploitation, self-harm and alienation — a world they cannot escape because it exists in the cellphones and computers that are the most intimate objects in their lives. David M. Hitch Ed Gamble Jack Ohman Jeff Danziger Jeff Stahler Jimmy Margulies John Branch Kevin "KAL" Kallaugher Lee Judge Lisa Benson Mike Smith Phil Hands Rivers Robert (R.J.) Matson Ward Sutton Yaakov Kirschen (Dry Bones)
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idonotlikepeas posted:Lee Judge
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 00:40 |
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idonotlikepeas posted:Lee Judge as a mobilian im legally obligated to complain about this
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 00:41 |
Sutton continues to be fantastic at caricature; I should study his method sometime.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 00:57 |
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How old is Kirschen anyway? I couldn't find it on his Wikipedia page but I did find this:Wikipedia posted:
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L. Ron DeSantis posted:How old is Kirschen anyway? 85-86. (He was born in 1938.)
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:28 |
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But...he's a bad and lazy artist. The people and objects in his cartoons are usually just collections of unsteadily drawn spheres mashed together. He never uses compelling visual imagery, there are no metaphors, and there is no subtlety in the messaging or anything else he does. 80% of his work involves nothing more than a poorly drawn mouthpiece directly facing the camera while plainly stating their support for Palestinian genocide. I refuse to believe that he has ever won any sort of award relating to cartooning e: if he is really that ancient, maybe he used to be better.
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Phlegmish posted:But...he's a bad and lazy artist. The people and objects in his cartoons are usually just collections of unsteadily drawn spheres mashed together. He never uses compelling visual imagery, there are no metaphors, and there is no subtlety in the messaging or anything else he does. 80% of his work involves nothing more than a poorly drawn mouthpiece directly facing the camera while plainly stating their support for Palestinian genocide. I refuse to believe that he has ever won any sort of award relating to cartooning Yeah that's the thing, in the time this thread has existed he's never been a good artist regardless of his views.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:36 |
I feel like a couple years back someone unearthed some early career Kirschen and it was informative what was different and what was completely unchanged.
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Phlegmish posted:e: if he is really that ancient, maybe he used to be better.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:39 |
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Nah we’ve pulled cartoons from the 70s and he’s always drawn like a five-year-old. I assume he knew someone at the paper and just became a legacy artist. His aging, murderhungry audience would probably riot if he was replaced.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:42 |
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A true pioneer of those clowns in congress storytelling.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:43 |
Contrast this with early Payne where it becomes obvious that it was a choice made in the interest of speed above all else.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:46 |
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What's that you say? Post a bunch of really old Kirschen cartoons? Can do! A mail happened. This one is about Henry Kissinger. (Kirschen did not like him in 1975.) [trombone] [snare drums] (timged because it's huge) [laugh track] So, yeah, he was never good at art or telling jokes.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:48 |
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Doomykins posted:A true pioneer of those clowns in congress storytelling.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:50 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Contrast this with early Payne where it becomes obvious that it was a choice made in the interest of speed above all else. I've never seen early Payne, but I don't think he is a horrible artist even now. He has his signature style of snooty, pointy-nosed people, that I would guess became overly stylized and exaggerated with time, but I wouldn't mistake a Payne cartoon for anything else. Just my assessment as someone who has no background in art whatsoever. He also attempts to be clever in his observations, despite usually failing. Kirschen is just on a different level from almost everyone else in this thread, literal children could make better cartoons than most of the ones I've seen from him. It's baffling that his work was apparently published at some point (and still is?).
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 01:54 |
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Phlegmish posted:I've never seen early Payne, but I don't think he is a horrible artist even now. He has his signature style of snooty, pointy-nosed people, that I would guess became overly stylized and exaggerated with time, but I wouldn't mistake a Payne cartoon for anything else. Just my assessment as someone who has no background in art whatsoever. He also attempts to be clever in his observations, despite usually failing. Yeah it's mostly been for the Jerusalem Post, a right wing English language newspaper for people just like Kirschen who moved from the US or other English speaking countries and drank the Flavor-Aid. But I still can't believe they couldn't have found someone more talented. And I say this as someone who can barely draw a stick figure.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 02:02 |
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Most newspaper comic publishing is done entirely by inertia and by virtue of finding a reliable hack who doesn't cost too much, political or not. I'd be surprised if any editing figure looks at his work in the first place past loading it onto the paper template.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 02:12 |
One notable change for Kirschen is that the text of his comics, the complexity, has gotten even simpler and, well, dumber. The historic examples above at least include attempts at sequential jokes. Payne is notable because he started with a completely different, much more detail and ink-heavy style mixed with caricature that was common of the period and now mostly persists in Ramirez’s work (though without the same level of crosshatching). Payne was and probably is a conventionally skilled illustrator in that regard. From memory I think we decided one reason for the change is Payne is (or was) also a full time automotive journalist.
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Discendo Vox posted:One notable change for Kirschen is that the text of his comics, the complexity, has gotten even simpler and, well, dumber. The historic examples above at least include attempts at sequential jokes. Kinda like Delonas whose grotesque cartoons were a totally stylistic choice (though he put way more effort into them than Kirschen) and was actually a pretty good painter.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 02:41 |
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As an aside, if anyone thought the mainstream media was liberal, the Washington Post runs way more Ramirez cartoons than Telnaes.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 02:43 |
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https://x.com/KartoonistKelly/status/1757817356015841315?s=20 A Kelly Klassic from 2016
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 03:16 |
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Whenever I find out a political cartoonist is much more artistically capable than I thought, I like to imagine they’re sandbagging it because they’re trying to solve serial killings in their off time.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 03:35 |
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Adam Zyglis' version of the GOP elephant haunts my dreams and I kinda wish he would put less effort in there.
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Byzantine posted:Adam Zyglis' version of the GOP elephant haunts my dreams and I kinda wish he would put less effort in there. Have you imagined what it would sound like yet? That made it a lot worse for me. No lips so it’s just gonna be a breathy, wet rasp of teeth and tongue.
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Nenonen posted:It's amazing that the art quality matches so closely the original, if it was just monochrome lineart then no one would believe that the Yaakov character is a real Kirschen I wanted to make this all monochrome, but none of my smartphone apps give me a paintbucket tool.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 06:27 |
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Tom the Dancing Bug by Ruben Bolling US liberals and leftist could actually take a hint from this.
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idonotlikepeas posted:Ed Gamble About the Sutton: Gonzales v. Raich, the case I use as an example of this The same species of plant grown by the founding fathers, not for sale, everything from the dirt up procured inside the same state, is "Commerce between the several states" and thus can be illegal under the CSA just as those founders intended. The reason given because the Court saying otherwise would have far-reaching consequences for actual interstate commerce. The reason they did the marihuana tax stamp law instead of an outright ban in the first drat place is they didn't think the latter would pass judicial review, very much like how Texas did the abortion ban via lawsuit thing. So yes they have a history of doing whatever the gently caress they want. (bonus fact: thanks to US v. Leary weed was very much legal for a brief period of time in Alaska in 1969) The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Feb 15, 2024 |
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axolotl farmer posted:Tom the Dancing Bug by Ruben Bolling Hmm, not the best Bolling in my opinion, but no one can knock 'em out of the park (like Bobson Dugnutt would) every single time.
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A.F. Branco Andy Marlette Chip Bok The fire alarm incident was almost six months ago, and on top of that, the congressman at the time didn't even pull the alarm. He just tried to open a door to the outside that he didn't know was wired to the fire alarm system. Chris Britt Gary Varvel Michael Ramirez Mike Luckovich Tom Stiglich
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 11:59 |
Did the guy running Ramirez’s paper go full nevertrump?
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Skios posted:Tom Stiglich More than most political cartoonists, at least
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Discendo Vox posted:Did the guy running Ramirez’s paper go full nevertrump? Pretty sure Ramirez has always been a nevertrumper.
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# ? Feb 15, 2024 13:41 |
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Technowolf posted:Pretty sure Ramirez has always been a nevertrumper. Yeah, it's one of his few even remotely redeeming qualities. He's also been pro-vaccination since before the pandemic, having failed to get the notification it's now the orthodox GOP stance.
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It is comforting to see that Ramirez has still, to this day, never looked up how a battleship actually looks.
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Skios posted:Tom Stiglich "Hmmm, the meter should have "True" on the right and "False" on the left but I've already drawn Jean-Pierre. Oh well." Hell, there's enough space behind her to fit the word false there... I'm always in awe of the sheer laziness of political cartoonists.
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False is the centerline, the pegs are Fact and Alternative Fact
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Kikas posted:It is comforting to see that Ramirez has still, to this day, never looked up how a battleship actually looks. That’s actually not a bad cartoon of a Ticonderoga class cruiser.
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Kikas posted:It is comforting to see that Ramirez has still, to this day, never looked up how a battleship actually looks. Eh, it's a reasonable cartoony version of a Ticonderoga class missile cruiser.
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