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Oof, looks like they're all doubling down. I swear every three posts on Twitter is some variation of this https://twitter.com/ManletThorin/status/1758941933735489942?t=i1jziT6eMhUUR9py8KF5ww&s=19 They're also on this anti intellectual kick attacking the very nature of subtext by insisting leftists gotta take an incredibly indirect and loose interpretation of straightforward stories because in their eyes, ugly=good and thus pretty=bad. In this example they seem to believe that a cyborg Bukele going around actually punishing criminals like a good society should is something noble that we should aspire towards.
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Wasn't a major point of the movie that the criminals worked for the evil corporation?
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Gyges posted:Wasn't a major point of the movie that the criminals worked for the evil corporation?
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Gyges posted:Wasn't a major point of the movie that the criminals worked for the evil corporation? Yeah, robocop isn't exactly a subtle movie. Seriously how the gently caress do you mis-read robocop, the villains give direct speeches about what they're doing and why. Pretty sure there's evil villain laugh as well.
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Feb 18, 2024 09:13
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Nah they don't care about that. They're suddenly "waking up" to the idea that leftists are always siding with the gross bad uggos in stories and you just need to take everything at face value and see that killing bad people makes the world good, and letting bad ugly things overrun good pretty things is... Bad. https://twitter.com/hereliesthighs/status/1759009726530978292?t=c7EdsOlbOmgZxkyTNbFwGg&s=19
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Gyges posted:Wasn't a major point of the movie that the criminals worked for the evil corporation? The evil corporation that also owned the police and frequently hamstrings their efforts to actually do their jobs, no less. Panfilo posted:Nah they don't care about that. They're suddenly "waking up" to the idea that leftists are always siding with the gross bad uggos in stories and you just need to take everything at face value and see that killing bad people makes the world good, and letting bad ugly things overrun good pretty things is... Bad. I'm trying to parse this and all I can get is that fash-adjacent idiots think leftists would side with Weyland-Yutani. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 09:33 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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dr_rat posted:Yeah, robocop isn't exactly a subtle movie. Seriously how the gently caress do you mis-read robocop, the villains give direct speeches about what they're doing and why. Because they're not mis-reading it most of the time, they're purposefully twisting it to fit their worldview and own the libs.
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Feb 18, 2024 09:35
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Neo_Crimson posted:Because they're not mis-reading it most of the time, they're purposefully twisting it to fit their worldview and own the libs. Ah so pretending to be dumb because he's dumb. Got it.
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Feb 18, 2024 09:42
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These are the same sort of people that were talking about The Empire in Star Wars as the good guys a decade+ ago, this isn't new.
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Angry_Ed posted:The evil corporation that also owned the police and frequently hamstrings their efforts to actually do their jobs, no less. Regarding Robocop, they admire him the same reason they admire the overall cop/military genre. They feel the problem with society isn't so much criminals, it's bleeding heart leftists who hold back the police/soldiers from doing their job. Their solution to the problem already exists, it's rather the institutions that are getting in the way of realizing the solution who are the real problem in their world. With the xenomorph, they draw direct parallel to immigrants/refugees. If you're sympathetic to immigrants then you surely would be sympathetic to xenomorphs, right? We have much to learn from them, they're just living their life, so what if they have acid for blood and impregnate you in your esophagus? It comes right back to how they identify with Pretty and Good so any dissent is on the side of Ugly and Evil.
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Panfilo posted:Regarding Robocop, they admire him the same reason they admire the overall cop/military genre. They feel the problem with society isn't so much criminals, it's bleeding heart leftists who hold back the police/soldiers from doing their job. Their solution to the problem already exists, it's rather the institutions that are getting in the way of realizing the solution who are the real problem in their world. Their fixation on "beauty = good" is really unsettling and not just because it reminds me of all the propaganda, both fascist and not, that would depict a nation's foes as otherworldly demonic entities or other "less-than-human" beings. It just feels like the logical endpoint of their inability to contemplate anything below surface-level analysis, whether they mean it intentionally or are just doing it to "own the libs" or whatever.
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It's also pretty fuckin' weird because they're consistently bad at being good examples of their own ideology. See: the earlier discussion about aesthetics-without-understanding, like lovely suits and the "handsome face and strong jawline" "13 or 30?" gen-Z conservative stringless fucked around with this message at 10:48 on Feb 18, 2024 |
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Angry_Ed posted:Their fixation on "beauty = good" is really unsettling and not just because it reminds me of all the propaganda, both fascist and not, that would depict a nation's foes as otherworldly demonic entities or other "less-than-human" beings. It just feels like the logical endpoint of their inability to contemplate anything below surface-level analysis, whether they mean it intentionally or are just doing it to "own the libs" or whatever. Hazo posted:I’m laughing so hard I can’t breathe 
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I love all the people arguing that actually the society in Starship Troopers looks awesome and they wish they lived there. They're literally drafting children by the end, and they think it looks great. Also, we live in one of the most squalid periods in all of history. https://twitter.com/HariSel57511397/status/1758538042338394517
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The thing with movies like Robocop and Starship Troopers is where you have to be dense not to see the satire and broader message it’s also really not hard to just enjoy the violence since the films never actually say that stuff is wrong. They might say there’s bad guys behind it but then Robocop is still the “hero” who murders people. So people used to ignoring stuff easily just focus on what they like. Compare that to “message movies” where the movie actually says that X is wrong and then they get all mad. Re: Alien that’s just them reading stupid takes on diversity or something that would almost be funny if it came from a different place. But I bet conservatives also love the concept of mad scientists and how science is routinely the cause of the problem in horror movies. That certainly plays into their ideas easily and once again a film like Alien isn’t about the greedy corporation or psychotic military but the reckless scientist.
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Angry_Ed posted:Rush didn't think smoking causes cancer so he hosed around and found out. So I agree, gently caress cancer, but in this case his stupid dead rear end deserved it. He also wouldn't believe in second hand smoke and when people would ask him to stop he'd blow in their face and tell them how they were wrong
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The RoboCop one is especially confusing because like, RoboCop shoots the gently caress out of all the criminals and literally none of the issues generating so many criminals ever goes away. It's really not even subtext. He goes on shooting criminals for two more movies, several video games and comic books because the dystopian oligarchy he lives in is a breeding ground for poverty and desperation for anybody who isn't an OCP executive
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Willatron posted:The RoboCop one is especially confusing because like, RoboCop shoots the gently caress out of all the criminals and literally none of the issues generating so many criminals ever goes away. It's really not even subtext. He goes on shooting criminals for two more movies, several video games and comic books because the dystopian oligarchy he lives in is a breeding ground for poverty and desperation for anybody who isn't an OCP executive Right? He's also a corporate slave, totally robbed of his humanity by greedy evil CEO's and is explicitly shown to be property, not a person. It's the opposite of subtle.
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Sure but have you considered
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Noted insane person of webcomics Tatsuya Ishida has been on a decade+ arc of spiralling through various stages of far right, TERF, QAnon, fascist thought and projecting them onto his favourite pop media. His comics have literally become nothing more than most recent right-wing bugbear projected on the most recent piece of media he has consumed. At one point he literally started and then randomly dropped a two week arc after realising that the word 'alien' could mean two different things. It was exactly as stupid as you'd assume:  There was similar hilarious insight when he realised that Transformers has the word 'trans' in it.
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Gyges posted:Also, we live in one of the most squalid periods in all of history. By what metric Lol by what loving metric good lord
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BiggerBoat posted:Right? He's also a corporate slave, totally robbed of his humanity by greedy evil CEO's and is explicitly shown to be property, not a person. It's the opposite of subtle. Robocop also kills the bad CEO though 
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Robocop's message is the only thing that can stop a Bad CEO with lots of money is a good CEO with lots of money.
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Morrow posted:Robocop's message is the only thing that can stop a Bad CEO with lots of money is a good CEO with lots of money. Hmmm, this is true. As a good CEO with lots of money just gonna go and make some robots to randomly shoot a bunch of people. Statistically they should shoot a bad CEO sooner or later.
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Morrow posted:Robocop's message is the only thing that can stop a Bad CEO with lots of money is a good CEO with lots of money. Robocops message is that the only good CEO is a dead CEO.
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Platonicsolid posted:Robocops message is that the only good CEO is a dead CEO. "The Old Man" helps Robocop kill the bad businessman in Robocop 1 by firing him, and later sacks the secondary antagonist of the sequel. In the third movie the Japanese CEO ultimately shuts down OCP because it's too evil for how unprofitable it is. While these characters are not presented as benevolent they are still the key ingredient in resolving the conflict in each story. But again nuance doesn't really work here because right wingers look at Robocop and see Cyborg Deathwish.
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Skios posted:At one point he literally started and then randomly dropped a two week arc after realising that the word 'alien' could mean two different things. It was exactly as stupid as you'd assume: A xenomorph is probably the worst alien to make this joke about because anyone with even the vaguest knowledge of the franchise would know they don't have genders, just phases in their life cycle
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The truly funny thing about Conservatives missing the point of Starship Troopers is, even when the film came out in 1997/1998 film critics and reviewers, completely missed that it was satire. And this was after Paul Verhoven had done Robocop, Showgirls and Total Recall which were known for being satire. But reviewers just thought "Starship Troopers? This movie doesn't have any depth to it."
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I never read the book that Total Recall is from: is it satire, or did Verhoven reinterpret that material as well?
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A common angle of attack they have is the fact that Verhoven didn't really read the book and thus his satire is ill informed and doesn't respect the source material. I guess they really liked the book concepts of civic duty and making sure the people who participate in the system actually contribute on their end.
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Re: attractive = good, ugly = bad. During the 2008 campaign, a neighbor had a sign in his yard that said "Cool pres, hot veep". It was way to common to hear how she was their choice basically because they'd like to gently caress her.
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I mean they did it with Melania vs Michelle as well. They see people who are beautiful and good as having inherently noble traits because they presume such people take good care of themselves. They see people or things that are ugly and bad and assume they not only neglect themselves, but actively resent the beautiful in comparison.
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I like the recent Taylor Swift brouhaha where giant head Charlie Kirk and his idiot bro crew are calling her ugly. Because she might not be on your political team you can’t even acknowledge she is attractive anymore, she has to be an ugly skank lol. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RaDIGdf2sE&t=544s
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Odds are a greater percentage of voters base their vote on fuckability than their voting history/issues (the latter sits around a comfortable ten percent)
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Morrow posted:"The Old Man" helps Robocop kill the bad businessman in Robocop 1 by firing him, and later sacks the secondary antagonist of the sequel. In the third movie the Japanese CEO ultimately shuts down OCP because it's too evil for how unprofitable it is. While these characters are not presented as benevolent they are still the key ingredient in resolving the conflict in each story. Spoilers for the most recent Robocop game: The Old Man ends up in the Robocop 2 bad guy mech because he wanted to cheat death, and is the final boss
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BornAPoorBlkChild posted:https://twitter.com/KeeleyFox29/status/1759000489515962457?t=a_8ByLvti7Cf17WqxDzsUg&s=19 What are the 1930s, Alec?
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Angry_Ed posted:Their fixation on "beauty = good" is really unsettling and not just because it reminds me of all the propaganda, both fascist and not, that would depict a nation's foes as otherworldly demonic entities or other "less-than-human" beings. It just feels like the logical endpoint of their inability to contemplate anything below surface-level analysis, whether they mean it intentionally or are just doing it to "own the libs" or whatever. During the Trump admin, it was really surreal and unsettling to see news sites very delicately and cautiously acknowledge that Ivanka Trump - yes, the gorgeous and stylish blonde lady with celebrity friends, the very same - could possibly, just maybe, be complicit in her father's ill-gotten gains and harmful policies. Even though she's conventionally attractive! Defies logic, ethics, and the Pythagorean Theorem.
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Subjunctive posted:I never read the book that Total Recall is from: is it satire, or did Verhoven reinterpret that material as well? It’s… kinda weird. ‘We Can Remember It For You Wholesale” is a parody of Total Recall, despite being written first.
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The Lone Badger posted:It’s… kinda weird. ‘We Can Remember It For You Wholesale” is a parody of Total Recall, despite being written first. Well that’s a compelling pitch, tbqh.
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