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NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

OwlFancier posted:

If it's what I think it is it was also an excellent post.

No it wasn't the gollum porn fanfic

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josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

How can guidance give teachers legal protection?

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
If it's the same as the last 'guidance' this shitshow of a government graced teachers with, it'll be functionally useless and actually make it more likely teachers and schools will get prosecuted.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

NotJustANumber99 posted:

My understanding of the article, maybe a different one, was that it already was.

I googled, and you are right

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/whats-the-law-on-confiscating-a-pupils-mobile-phone/

quote:

If a teacher confiscates a mobile phone (or something else of value) from a pupil and it then gets broken or lost, who is responsible, and who must therefore bear the cost of replacing the item? Is it the teacher, the pupil or the school? And what does the law say about how long it is reasonable to withhold such items from pupils?

Legally, the school has taken possession of the pupil’s property. However, Section 94 of the Education and Inspections Act 2006 states that where a teacher disciplines a pupil by confiscating an item, neither the teacher nor the school will be liable for any loss or damage to that item. Equally, there is no statutory liability on schools for items that go missing in other ways.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
^^^ yeah that


josh04 posted:

How can guidance give teachers legal protection?

It's not just guidance. I can't share it right now on my phone. But there's legal protection for a teacher/school to confiscate an item from a student to discipline them and if it goes missing they are not liable.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


So it's basically another law that was already accounted for dressed up as a "but we already gave you xyz, you can't also ask for more pay or resources or help"

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Mebh posted:

So it's basically another law that was already accounted for dressed up as a "but we already gave you xyz, you can't also ask for more pay or resources or help"

Yeah the teacher union guy said as much. A solved problem.

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

And this new guidance is not mandatory, and has 4 levels - from outright ban on school premises, down to promising to leave them at the bottom of the schoolbag during lessons, with two stages in-between. It's an absolute nothingburger.... lmao

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
I wish I could be in one of those body swap movies and just go back in time and punch above my weight owning everyone rather than embarrassing myself.

I guess that's the point of those movies.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Tijuana Bibliophile posted:


whats the odds of this being sarcastic

Hope so! It looks like 'mumsnet' colour scheme.

Thinking of all the elderly tory ladies across the decades who have had a 'blue rinse' in their grey hair.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I think I've seen more fifty something's with blue hair than yooths

Gully Foyle
Feb 29, 2008

Someone should definitely market and sell Neapolitrans ice cream, replacing the chocolate with like a blue bubblegum or something.

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Tijuana Bibliophile posted:


whats the odds of this being sarcastic

The username makes it an obvious troll

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

History Comes Inside! posted:

The username makes it an obvious troll

"I am not Graham" - how come?
I know I'm :corsair: I need to be edjumacated into the ways of yoof

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

^^^ Linehan, i'm assuming.

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Thinking of all the elderly tory ladies across the decades who have had a 'blue rinse' in their grey hair.
On a similar but more serious subject, it is quite alarming when you hear women from that same demographic talking about how trans girls taking hormones aren't natural and is maybe even dangerous, but there's a suspicious silence when it comes to HRT. Almost like there's a double standard.

Bobby Deluxe fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Feb 19, 2024

Starbucks
Jul 7, 2002

Your daily cup of fuck you.
My favourite ice cream is coffee (specifically from Joes Ice Cream) but I would say mint chocolate chip is nice, but overall I am fine with ice cream.

As for mobile phones I had one in secondary school and I am old, now it didn’t really have the stuff modern phones had but no phones in school is going to have quite a few repercussions.

How can children contact parents? In my day we had pay phones, with the analogue line switch off that even a thing anymore? And even if they did some would contact people on WhatsApp etc and they would also need to keep contact numbers etc.

There are a lot of things that mobile phones also replace like overpriced calculators and the ability to look stuff up.

I dunno, I think it’s a crap idea.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

"I am not Graham" - how come?
I know I'm :corsair: I need to be edjumacated into the ways of yoof

Bobby Deluxe posted:

^^^ Linehan, i'm assuming.

Yeah that, mocking how he kept running to Mumsnet for approval until I believe even they got bored of his poo poo.

Jon Pod Van Damm
Apr 6, 2009

THE POSSESSION OF WEALTH IS IN AND OF ITSELF A SIGN OF POOR VIRTUE. AS SUCH:
1 NEVER TRUST ANY RICH PERSON.
2 NEVER HIRE ANY RICH PERSON.
BY RULE 1, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO PRESUME THAT ALL DEGREES AND CREDENTIALS HELD BY A WEALTHY PERSON ARE FRAUDULENT. THIS JUSTIFIES RULE 2--RULE 1 NEEDS NO JUSTIFIC



Is the British Navy going to do anything about the British ship lost in the Red Sea?

Albinator
Mar 31, 2010

Starbucks posted:

My favourite ice cream is coffee (specifically from Joes Ice Cream) but I would say mint chocolate chip is nice, but overall I am fine with ice cream.

As for mobile phones I had one in secondary school and I am old, now it didn’t really have the stuff modern phones had but no phones in school is going to have quite a few repercussions.

How can children contact parents? In my day we had pay phones, with the analogue line switch off that even a thing anymore? And even if they did some would contact people on WhatsApp etc and they would also need to keep contact numbers etc.

There are a lot of things that mobile phones also replace like overpriced calculators and the ability to look stuff up.

I dunno, I think it’s a crap idea.

Everything I've heard from teachers post covid is that phones are a complete disaster for the kids' attention and keeping the classroom working together. I don't have a problem with banning them during classtime.

mediaphage
Mar 22, 2007

Excuse me, pardon me, sheer perfection coming through

History Comes Inside! posted:

The username makes it an obvious troll

for me it was till donkeys lol

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Is the British Navy going to do anything about the British ship lost in the Red Sea?

claim on the insurance

kecske
Feb 28, 2011

it's round, like always

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Is the British Navy going to do anything about the British ship lost in the Red Sea?

the 6 sailors the navy has are too busy battening the mizzenmast and swabbing the poop deck matey

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Is the British Navy going to do anything about the British ship lost in the Red Sea?

Drop some more bombs on Yemen. I'm sure this time it'll make a difference.

Sad Panda
Sep 22, 2004

I'm a Sad Panda.

fuctifino posted:

And this new guidance is not mandatory, and has 4 levels - from outright ban on school premises, down to promising to leave them at the bottom of the schoolbag during lessons, with two stages in-between. It's an absolute nothingburger.... lmao

And schools are already able to ban phones. We ban them at my school. A student caught using it during the day gets it confiscated for 2 days. A second or third time means it is kept for longer. Students get around this by using their smartwatches which while officially banned or not challenged and you definitely see them typing on them and checking messages. They also just use their phones in the toilet.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Starbucks posted:

There are a lot of things that mobile phones also replace like overpriced calculators and the ability to look stuff up.

I dunno, I think it’s a crap idea.

Lmao you can get one for £6 from argos. I guess that is overpriced if you have an app on your phone for free.

Kids don't need to look stuff up in class. That's what the textbooks are for

They also don't need to call their parents. If there's an emergency the school office will do it for them.

They can pick their phone up from the phone bin after the bell rings.

I don't like pulling a "back in my day and it never did me any harm" but in this case not having a phone in school actually did me a world of good. Studies show that phones ruin concentration even if they are switched off but still in the same room as you. the science is in: they're bad.


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Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Tesseraction posted:

Yeah that, mocking how he kept running to Mumsnet for approval until I believe even they got bored of his poo poo.

Oh I geddit now.
Hadn't formed the association in my mind.

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

kecske posted:

the 6 sailors the navy has are too busy battening the mizzenmast and swabbing the poop deck matey

We need Cap'n Jack Aubrey



(Love these books read 7/20 so far. And Russell Crowe is absolutely perfect as Cap'n Jack).

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

Microplastics posted:

Early contender for this year's Worst Post after crispix snatched 2013's title at the last minute

https://i.imgur.com/rMlNloX.mp4

Ms Adequate
Oct 30, 2011

Baby even when I'm dead and gone
You will always be my only one, my only one
When the night is calling
No matter who I become
You will always be my only one, my only one, my only one
When the night is calling



Now that is a man who has attained nirvana

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Microplastics posted:

Lmao you can get one for £6 from argos. I guess that is overpriced if you have an app on your phone for free.

Kids don't need to look stuff up in class. That's what the textbooks are for

They also don't need to call their parents. If there's an emergency the school office will do it for them.

They can pick their phone up from the phone bin after the bell rings.

I don't like pulling a "back in my day and it never did me any harm" but in this case not having a phone in school actually did me a world of good. Studies show that phones ruin concentration even if they are switched off but still in the same room as you. the science is in: they're bad.


Posted from my Android

Textbooks? What school buys those these days! Even in 1982 when I did teacher training for a year it was one book per 5 kids of mixed ability - disaster - the most literacy-challenged kids were still sounding out the words in the first sentence when the fastest where about 10 pages further on (or would have been if they had their own textbook - meanwhile they were getting very bored and disruptive connecting the bunsen burner taps to the water taps or whatever).

Also, there's a lot of science and maths apps you can get that mean schools don't have to spend precious budget on lab equipment (and lab techs - sad to say - one of my bros was a senior physics lab tech and the school became an academy, upped the head teacher's salary to some unbelievably huge amount of £, fired nearly all the lab techs and obviously the ones remaining were supposed to cover all the work, and his final red line - the head said he had to wear a tie (under his labcoat!) - that's when he walked - but I digress).

Just one source of apps (I nearly applied for a job with these a few years ago).

https://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulations/browse

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
i wish i was still allowed in schools so i could use my phone there

Bloody Pom
Jun 5, 2011






:v:

fuctifino
Jun 11, 2001

NotJustANumber99 posted:

i wish i was still allowed in schools so i could use my phone there

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

I was on my phone in a school today.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


I'm horribly phone addicted but basically it's a wonderful crutch for whenever I run out of ability to deal with people. Which is often.

Why aren't kids allowed to use them on break time at school anyway? Like, lessons. Sure. But on your own time? Is it just that if you allow them at all it's impossible to stop them using them in class? Or have kids found an awesome new way to bully each other by having phones now?

I remember in my school they had to ban coins because everyone was obsessed with a game called jingles where you had to throw a coin vs someone else against a wall, whoever got it closest won both. It was classed as gambling.

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
its because kids are annoying and dumb as poo poo and im not one anymore so lets gently caress with them as hard as possible.

happyhippy
Feb 21, 2005

Playing games, watching movies, owning goons. 'sup
Pillbug

Mebh posted:

Why aren't kids allowed to use them on break time at school anyway? Like, lessons. Sure. But on your own time? Is it just that if you allow them at all it's impossible to stop them using them in class? Or have kids found an awesome new way to bully each other by having phones now?

Kids are vicious bastards to each other.
Phones opens up more avenues to bully the poo poo of other kids, which has led to a lot of suicides over the years.
Also you have a line out to whatever tiktok craze that may be dangerous, or just outright porn or gore being shown to others.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

NotJustANumber99 posted:

its because kids are annoying and dumb as poo poo and im not one anymore so lets gently caress with them as hard as possible.

I was ambivalent about possible solutions to this sort of classroom disruption but you've swayed me

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

Jon Pod Van Damm posted:

Is the British Navy going to do anything about the British ship lost in the Red Sea?

The Western media has stopped talking about the Red Sea, so I can only assume that this is a problem that has now been solved?

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M_P_R
Apr 8, 2016

Runcible Cat posted:

I'll probably wander there sometime this summer/autumn once I can travel, but I've got the advantage of family living there so I can scrounge some sofa space when it's not being taken up by goths or steampunks. It'll be nice to stroll along the beach, look for bits of jet and fossils and eat fudge.

Thanks for all the Whitby info, chat. Will give it a visit sometime.

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