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serious gaylord posted:The SNP have walked out too I've got to admit, the Speaker losing his job because he broke unwritten rules & precedents because he was threatened with losing his job at some juncture in the future is very funny. That's the kind of farce that few other parliaments can give you.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:44
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lol the bbc live text doesnt know wtf
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Feb 21, 2024 19:45
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forkboy84 posted:I've got to admit, the Speaker losing his job because he broke unwritten rules & precedents because he was threatened with losing his job at some juncture in the future is very funny. That's the kind of farce that few other parliaments can give you. Like everything in our political system it all exists on precedent. Hes broken that precedent to protect Starmer from a rebellion. The fact hes obviously sided with one political party and then ran away is like dumping petrol on the fire too.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:46
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NotJustANumber99 posted:lol the bbc live text doesnt know wtf Apparently they're voting to kick all the public and journalists out too?
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Feb 21, 2024 19:46
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serious gaylord posted:Apparently they're voting to kick all the public and journalists out too? They're voting to sit in private To be fair they probably should have done that about 30 minutes ago. Now everyone's hosed off it's calmed right down.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:47
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I'm very confused
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Feb 21, 2024 19:48
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Failed Imagineer posted:I'm very confused
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Feb 21, 2024 19:50
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mossyfisk posted:To be fair it is in the context of him saying he's not welsh, doesn't want to play for wales, and please stop telling him to play for wales. And you've managed to convey that without the weird heritage/bloodline comment.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:51
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The funniest poo poo I've seen in the Commons for at least four years.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:51
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sebzilla posted:The funniest poo poo I've seen in the Commons for at least four years. I've lost all sense of time, how long ago did the guy try to run off with the mace?
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Feb 21, 2024 19:52
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so theyre gonna turn the cameras off and not tell us what happens. Seems legit bbc said this happened 20 years ago, but it was by accident however the gently caress that can happen
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Feb 21, 2024 19:53
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I wonder how many toilet cubicles and broom closets there are in the houses of parliament? I'm imagining the SNP are conducting a thorough search during this division to find which one the Speaker is hiding in.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:53
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Apparently if the chamber votes to sit in private, there's not even a transcript of what is discussed? This is nuts.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:53
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The last two occasions on which the House sat in private were 18 November 1958 and 4 December 2001. This is not normal behaviour https://erskinemay.parliament.uk/section/4636/proceedings-in-private-and-secret-sessions
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Feb 21, 2024 19:55
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Reveilled posted:Apparently if the chamber votes to sit in private, there's not even a transcript of what is discussed? This is nuts. Be interesting to see how this works out for them in the age of smartphones.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:55
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serious gaylord posted:Like everything in our political system it all exists on precedent. Hes broken that precedent to protect Starmer from a rebellion. Yeah, I know. It's a stupid system & any system that exists on politicians in this day & age being good faith actors is moronic. We learned that from the Trump years. (Well, some of us learned that before then but you know what I mean) That's why this is all just quite funny. It's not like the vote was going to have the support of enough Tories to pass. And now Chris Bryant is on Twitter yelling "OH BUT IT IS TRADITION THAT IF THE GOVERNMENT LOSES A FOREIGN POLICY VOTE THEY RESIGN" Yeah but you've shown that tradition isn't worth the paper it's not written on. He's a stupid man obviously, but I'm sure he won't be the only one chirping about this as if it's appalling the Tories aren't immediately calling for an election: they are only losing this vote for procedural reasons. It's all so loving dumb. And I'm not buying this poo poo being put around by some lobby hacks that Hoyle actually did it because he's so afraid for the safety of MPs who are having big meanies protesting outside their house. loving nora, they get £86,584 a year, if they are that terrified of the protestors holding them to responsible for their cowardly triangulation over genocide they can probably afford to hire some sort of bodyguard.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:56
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fuctifino posted:The last two occasions on which the House sat in private were 18 November 1958 and 4 December 2001. This is not normal behaviour I don't for a moment expect it to pass. I don't see why anyone would actually want the House to be sat in private (it looked like it came from the opposition benches but that might just where the Deputy Speaker was looking).
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Feb 21, 2024 19:57
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EvilHawk posted:I've lost all sense of time, how long ago did the guy try to run off with the mace? Hadn't even realised that the last one to try & grab the mace was my MP, Drew Hendry in 2020. Neat.
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Feb 21, 2024 19:58
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Guavanaut posted:Depending on which side of the divide you sit on, it's either How was this reconciled without permabanning half of the thread?
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Feb 21, 2024 19:58
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Lol, Ch4 News opener, "the HoC made an unedifying spectacle of itself today". Today and every other day, Krishnan.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:01
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Presumably the private discussion wouldn't even be about Gaza any more, if there is discussion in private it's going to be about what to do about the speakership?
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Feb 21, 2024 20:02
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look whose back
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Feb 21, 2024 20:02
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Hoyle is back in
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Feb 21, 2024 20:02
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Oh Hoyle's back! edit: he's gone again!
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Feb 21, 2024 20:02
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fuctifino posted:Hoyle is back in Presumably he really needed a jobby so came back to let one rip on the floor of the Mother of All Parliaments
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Feb 21, 2024 20:06
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bloody sue gray
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Feb 21, 2024 20:07
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forkboy84 posted:And I'm not buying this poo poo being put around by some lobby hacks that Hoyle actually did it because he's so afraid for the safety of MPs who are having big meanies protesting outside their house. loving nora, they get £86,584 a year, if they are that terrified of the protestors holding them to responsible for their cowardly triangulation over genocide they can probably afford to hire some sort of bodyguard. but but their mortgage!
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Feb 21, 2024 20:09
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Lol he's still doing the Biglad Speaker Voice but trying to mix in some humble contrition as well, what a pillock
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Feb 21, 2024 20:12
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loving house of commons apology video taking accountability for my actions rear end bullshit.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:13
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Wouldn't have gotten this poo poo from Bully Bercow
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Feb 21, 2024 20:14
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The votes are still made public, just no more speeches and stuff. So if hes doing this to 'protect MP's' it will achieve gently caress all apart from stop it being so publicly embarassing.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:15
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I've been avoiding parliament poo poo for a while now but I keep getting news alerts today. What's the actual point of all this? I can't get my head around how the UK calling for a ceasefire could actually affect anything - let alone the wording of it. Is it all sheer posturing or could something that actually matters come out of it?
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Feb 21, 2024 20:20
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serious gaylord posted:The votes are still made public, just no more speeches and stuff. If the "he" you're referring to is Hoyle, it wasn't his motion to sit in private. I don't know who's it was tbh, 20 people voted for it so it might have been an SNP thing. Failed Imagineer posted:Wouldn't have gotten this poo poo from Bully Bercow I've been watching Bercow on the US Traitors and 1) it's loving hilarious that he's there and all these US reality stars have absolutely no idea why he is, and 2) he occasionally slips back into his Speaker voice which is just silly in context
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Feb 21, 2024 20:20
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stev posted:I've been avoiding parliament poo poo for a while now but I keep getting news alerts today. What's the actual point of all this? I can't get my head around how the UK calling for a ceasefire could actually affect anything - let alone the wording of it. Is it all sheer posturing or could something that actually matters come out of it? It's Parliament, it does & doesn't matter. Is it largely symbolic? Yes. Was it likely to pass if Lindsay Hoyle hadn't so completely shat it today? No. But at the same time it's better than nothing. Isolating the Israel as long as it continues to act like this from the global community is the entire point of the BDS campaign. And it worked on South Africa, albeit it took a long time. So yeah, it's a gesture & ultimately wasn't going to pass because the Tories still have a big majority, but so much of what goes on in the House of Commons is gestures. At least this would've been a decent gesture for a change. I think you can simultaneously say that most of the parliamentary SNP agree sincerely with the bill as brought forth while also acknowledging that it's quite fortuitous that it's a hot-button topic for Labour because the leadership want to do nothing that could lead to them being hit with the same antisemitism accusations that wrecked Corbyn's chances, & that Labour are serious contenders for between 10 & 20 of the SNP's MPs at the next election. So Labour looks a shambles when many of their MPs defy the whip, possibly including some front bench resignations that is certainly useful to the SNP. But it's still a good bill in the scheme of things. And it's also been very funny seeing Keith standing on all those rakes laid meticulously in front of them. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 20:36 on Feb 21, 2024 |
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Feb 21, 2024 20:24
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stev posted:I've been avoiding parliament poo poo for a while now but I keep getting news alerts today. What's the actual point of all this? I can't get my head around how the UK calling for a ceasefire could actually affect anything - let alone the wording of it. Is it all sheer posturing or could something that actually matters come out of it? It's Starmer being hoist by his own petard and taking out the speaker as collateral damage.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:28
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stev posted:I've been avoiding parliament poo poo for a while now but I keep getting news alerts today. What's the actual point of all this? I can't get my head around how the UK calling for a ceasefire could actually affect anything - let alone the wording of it. Is it all sheer posturing or could something that actually matters come out of it? It's unlikely that it would have materially affected the situation in Gaza. The point was intended to force/allow MPs to put their position on what's happening on record, because voters care about what's happening. Come the elections later this year campaigners would be able to say the sitting MP voted for/against a ceasefire. So yeah from a certain viewpoint it is pure posturing, but I guess it depends on what the function of the minority is supposed to be in a legislature--they can't change the policy of the sitting government, all they can do is vote for or against motions where they will almost certainly lose or be ignored, and speak up for causes they believe in. And in this case it was the SNP effectively holding the feet of both Labour and the Conservatives to the fire, but the actions of the Speaker (and the deputy too it seems) have been deliberate in avoiding an actual division taking place, ensuring that nobody actually voted to put their views on record.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:41
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keep punching joe posted:It's Starmer being hoist by his own petard and taking out the speaker as collateral damage. It’s especially funny because this issue is not going to suddenly go away, people are just going to get angrier and angrier and he’s just looking past tomorrow. Not even as far as tomorrow, honestly.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:41
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https://twitter.com/HannahB4LiviMP/status/1760375934987718974 I never realised the division bell was a literal loving fire alarm in the corridors
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Feb 21, 2024 20:43
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stev posted:I've been avoiding parliament poo poo for a while now but I keep getting news alerts today. What's the actual point of all this? I can't get my head around how the UK calling for a ceasefire could actually affect anything - let alone the wording of it. Is it all sheer posturing or could something that actually matters come out of it? It's the not-very-distant-future governing party of a UNSC member state ripping itself apart over its leadership's support for an ally nation (and major arms sales customer) committing genocide. Basically, we're signalling to the rest of the world that us being run by racist, corrupt, and incompetent chucklefucks is a situation that is unlikely to improve anytime soon.
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Feb 21, 2024 20:43
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fuctifino posted:https://twitter.com/HannahB4LiviMP/status/1760375934987718974 And in the bars MPs drink in https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68232558
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