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Zodar posted:haha hell yeah. genuinely the most heartening gesture or statement i've seen from a global superpower on this conflict. I've been saying China could easily fund UNRWA as a middle finger to the West, and to show how they are actually the good guys
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Hatebag posted:*looking at kaaba*: you have quite a treasure there in that islamic cube
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:China’s stance is pragmatic because the US is so loving touchy about Israel that they would undoubtedly retaliate somehow, and it’s hard to know how. Suppose they tried to do something very stupid with Taiwan in response to diplomatic, economic or military links with Israel being cut off? Agreed. The American leadership is unpredictable because they're senile and deranged. It's impossible to know how they would respond to material efforts by China to assist the Palestinians. What would the potential upside be, for China, in getting involved?
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Kunster posted:Ok I have a dumb question: Is BDS actually demanding no Eurovision or no McDonalds and so on? I don't think the list is that big and has Starbucks on it. nah. all those grainy JPEGS with brand logos on them and demands for everyone to BOYCOTT THIS NOW!!!!! that people keep breathlessly sharing on facebook and twitter aren’t from BDS. https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott posted:We focus our boycotts on a small number of companies and products for maximum impact. We focus on companies that play a clear and direct role in Israel’s crimes and where we think we can have an impact. like if you want to boycott your local mcdonalds franchise, fine, but don’t delude yourself into thinking it affects the israeli economy in any way whatsoever.
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Kunster posted:Hey now, at least when our dimwits do cartoons about Lula, we go to the "Oh he's into Goblnization" school. At least that takes effort, even fi the guy's comics are poo poo. their actual list is quite small, but people have been calling for the boycott of eurovision for a while especially after israel hosted it in 2019 (i think). starbucks/mcdonalds started as an “organic” boycott but isn’t affiliated with bds afaik
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Karach posted:Agreed. The American leadership is unpredictable because they're senile and deranged. It's impossible to know how they would respond to material efforts by China to assist the Palestinians. What would the potential upside be, for China, in getting involved? Stopping a genocide
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VoicesCanBe posted:Another video to submit to the ICJ as evidence Is there some way to do this, to ensure the court's not missing anything? Social media can be so fleeting. Would love to be of help in some way, here.
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at minimum they should massively increase unrwa funding thats an extremely easy win
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Today for no reason I'm thinking about those ladies who jumped in a tank and started blastin'
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really queer Christmas posted:Stopping a genocide So the widespread condemnation of the majority of governments and some extremely online goons cheering them on. Boy, I wonder why they're not jumping at that value exchange.
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Plus it would be hypocritical to criticise one genocide while you fundamentally carry your own out...
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HallelujahLee posted:at minimum they should massively increase unrwa funding thats an extremely easy win yeah 100% and they can easily afford it I do think China is not responding in a more substantive fashion in order to avoid US backlash, but like, isn’t the point of a multipolar world that other countries are willing to actually defy the US? if China isn’t willing to do that even in the face of such a clear moral imperative that doesn’t bode well for the next decade or five; waiting for the American empire to collapse on its own is certainly a strategy, but it’s going to take an extremely long time to play out.
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Diet Crack posted:Plus it would be hypocritical to criticise one genocide while you fundamentally carry your own out... 
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:China’s stance is pragmatic because the US is so loving touchy about Israel that they would undoubtedly retaliate somehow, and it’s hard to know how. Suppose they tried to do something very stupid with Taiwan in response to diplomatic, economic or military links with Israel being cut off? the US stance is pragmatic because the genocide they facilitate sells a lot of weapons and whose to say that's good or bad
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:yeah 100% and they can easily afford it im hoping china steps up a bit in the defying category the wait for empire to collapse is certainly a valid tactic but very slow
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:yeah 100% and they can easily afford it I imagine China plans to be more assertive once they've broken out of the first island chain and the US is incapable of putting them back
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Harold Fjord posted:Today for no reason I'm thinking about those ladies who jumped in a tank and started blastin' they did such a good job too. 
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Al-Saqr posted:why are you guys praising china theyre still sucking israeli dick and keeping up trade and weapons sales to them. What weapons have China sold to Israel? They have bought a bunch, and oh whoops, weapons based on those technologies have wound up in the hands of Hezbollah and I think Hamas via Iran. I would like to see some trade sanctions though but I suspect they are waiting for the Israeli report to the ICJ. Karach posted:Agreed. The American leadership is unpredictable because they're senile and deranged. It's impossible to know how they would respond to material efforts by China to assist the Palestinians. What would the potential upside be, for China, in getting involved? Worldwide image. Particularly in the Muslim world, where they have been making some big inroads recently. Retromancer posted:So the widespread condemnation of the majority of governments and some extremely online goons cheering them on. Westoid brain
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Source: Haaretz https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...cd-f17f934d0000 Israeli Nova Partygoer Was Misidentified as Hamas Josh Breiner and Bar Peleg Feb 22, 2024 6:43 pm IST An Israeli man who managed to escape the Nova music festival on the morning of October 7, shortly before the site was overrun with Hamas 24-year-old Ofek Atun and his girlfriend Tamar fled the Nova outdoor rave by car as rockets started flying overhead. The couple drove north until security personnel from a nearby community directed them to Kibbutz Alumim. The investigation, which is based on interviews with Atun's family members, girlfriend, and members of the kibbutz's staff and community response team, as well as security footage and recorded phone calls from the morning of October 7, follows Atun's course in his final hours. When Ofek and Tamar arrived at the outskirts of the kibbutz, they took refuge in a bomb shelter with several dozen other partygoers to hide from the scores of Hamas The couple, unaware that Israeli soldiers had already pushed all As Ofek and Tamar were hiding inside the house, the security squad arrived, accompanied by a kibbutz resident soldier, and discreetly evacuated the elderly couple through the safe room window. The soldier then entered the house through the window with a pistol in hand, while a security squad member provided cover through the window. How events transpired from this point is not fully clear. According to a member of the community security squad, Atun and the soldier got into a fight, and the soldier shot Atun many times, mistaking him for a After exiting the house, Tamar herself was shot in the stomach by Israel forces. Thankfully, she survived the shooting.
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ImWithHer88 posted:whose to say that's good or bad It would be bad for the world if China, who can see the US already flailing around as things go badly in Ukraine, Prosperity Guardian and Gaza, takes a position that will send the already-in-a-blind-panic US government, led by a senile president, into an unpredictable course of action. The US is already openly obsessed with China challenging US hegemony and sees China behind their decline. This creates the same problem as Cold War anticommunism, because if the US already suspects a grand conspiracy, taking actions that help the Palestinians and hurt Israel to that degree will "confirm" the worst fears of the erratic US leadership, and nobody knows what they'll do.
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You're not wrong that that would be a potential upside, but if I'm playing Suzerain as China, am I risking war with a rotting-but-still-powerful empire helmed by insane ghouls for the nebulous goodwill of the Muslim world? Is that enough?
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Israel's minister of evil affairs declares that the wicked military operation of villainy has been appropriately timed to maximize human misery. DTI https://twitter.com/GlobeEyeNews/status/1760528755599311158?t=sSYIHzgsckKyMGphzxwpaQ&s=19
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Karach posted:You're not wrong that that would be a potential upside, but if I'm playing Suzerain as China, am I risking war with a rotting-but-still-powerful empire helmed by insane ghouls for the nebulous goodwill of the Muslim world? Is that enough? This is basically the problem. The US already imagines their challenges in discrete regions: the Middle-East, Europe, and Asia, as the result of coordinated and nefarious action by China, Russia and Iran. So far, each of the three has balanced their actions outside their immediate region in a way designed to limit the US freaking the gently caress out. For instance, Iran and China have been cautious in providing support to Russia vis a vis Ukraine while NATO emptied their arsenals. Russia has provided material and technology to Iran, but has not gifted them, or Syria, the air defence systems that would threaten to shut the US out of the region overnight. The Russian Far East Fleet exercises with the PLAN, but doesn't venture anywhere near Taiwan.
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CheetoVonTito posted:It’s really hard to gauge. Your MAGA lovers are of course, standing with Israel. What I am seeing is pretty 50:50 amongst the MAGA subset of Republicans. Tucker Carlson a couple of weeks ago in Dubai came out pretty strongly against while framing the subject I think perfectly for American conservatives. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Qbp2n9VzE There is a strong anti war isolationist sentiment amongst the maga set that it seems stupid for pro peace activists to ignore.
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Sancho Banana posted:Israel's minister of evil affairs declares that the wicked military operation of villainy has been appropriately timed to maximize human misery. DTI what a piece of poo poo
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It would be bad for the world if China, who can see the US already flailing around as things go badly in Ukraine, Prosperity Guardian and Gaza, takes a position that will send the already-in-a-blind-panic US government, led by a senile president, into an unpredictable course of action. It would be bad for China to oppose genocide. Got it.
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:It would be bad for the world if China, who can see the US already flailing around as things go badly in Ukraine, Prosperity Guardian and Gaza, takes a position that will send the already-in-a-blind-panic US government, led by a senile president, into an unpredictable course of action. Pretty hosed up that the obvious right thing to do, i.e. helping stop a genocide, could lead to some insane escalation. It feels like most of the world will just idly stand by while zionist nazis and their enablers murder millions of Palestinians. Makes me want to check out of society and live in a hut in the woods.
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One of China's key operating political tenants is Neutrality when it comes to intrastate conflict. They will not get involved with whatever Israel is doing, like they didn't get involved with Myanmar until the cross-border attacks happened
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ImWithHer88 posted:It would be bad for China to oppose genocide. Got it. The USSR faced the same dilemma in 1967 and 1973, where they had troops mobilized and air and sealift prepared to intercede on behalf of Syria but concluded (correctly IMO) that the US would start a nuclear exchange if the Soviets directly repulsed the Israelis from the Golan Heights or even rearmed the Arabs at the same rate the US was rebuilding the Israeli military. I don't think you understand that opposing genocide is not going to be recognized as a correct moral choice by the US government but the opening shots of a world war.
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the extra lurid rape fantasies recently published might have been to get in front on this recent UN report quote:Israel/oPt: UN experts appalled by reported human rights violations against Palestinian women and girls
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DJJIB-DJDCT posted:The USSR faced the same dilemma in 1967 and 1973, where they had troops mobilized and air and sealift prepared to intercede on behalf of Syria but concluded (correctly IMO) that the US would start a nuclear exchange if the Soviets directly repulsed the Israelis from the Golan Heights or even rearmed the Arabs at the same rate the US was rebuilding the Israeli military. I hate so much that this is the world we live in. It's so important that the U.S. is evil as gently caress and needs to be brought down.
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is China actually trading with Israel still? I thought the whole point of Chinese ship don’t shoot was that Chinese ships were not going to Israel
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I said come in! posted:I hate so much that this is the world we live in. It's so important that the U.S. is evil as gently caress and needs to be brought down. If it's any consolation, I think that a lot of states recognize that, they're just trying to figure out a way to do that without a global conflagration. Remember that for all of the US paranoia, Cuba and the USSR did not directly intervene in Latin America either, even when they obviously should have. Tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of people were disappeared in Chile, Argentina, Nicaragua, Columbia, but the world didn't end. That's an awful choice to make.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:is China actually trading with Israel still? I thought the whole point of Chinese ship don’t shoot was that Chinese ships were not going to Israel yeah i was going to ask this as well
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China and Israel also historically have a sort of deal where Israel sells China technology from US military aid and allegedly even entire weapons systems, which I believe was arranged by the US during the Sino-Soviet Split. It also ("allegedly") happens behind the US' back, and Israel gives away stuff the US doesn't want them to. It's mentioned in one of those books Chinese military modernization.
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ImWithHer88 posted:the US stance is pragmatic because the genocide they facilitate sells a lot of weapons and whose to say that's good or bad lol the cold blood snake who oversaw arms deals for the US government resigned at the beginning of this because he saw what was coming and didn’t want it on his conscience.
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