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Marx Headroom posted:Jean Grey + Echo/Cosmo/Armor shuts down entire decks yeah but you really need Toss in Silk?
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Question about this Galactus play Galactus blew everything up on 5, my opponent snapped. He was playing Wong/BP so I knew he had Odin and was going to send back over the Goblins. I had enough to fill the lane so they couldn't... but would Wong have made the Goblins go back across since their on reveal would happen twice? I was tempted to not play anything since it'd be funny to watch them bounce back and forth a couple times, but I wasn't positive if it'd work out that way.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:28
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Yep, they would have triggered a second time bounced back.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:30
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Hobo Clown posted:... but would Wong have made the Goblins go back across since their on reveal would happen twice? Yep! It woulda been hilarious.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:30
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I learned this the hard way one time trying to send a goblin back in my Wong lane. If nothing else it's funny to watch.
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Feb 22, 2024 23:56
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Ahh shame, then. Would've been funny. Doubt I'll get a perfect setup like that again but I'll remember that for next time.
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Feb 23, 2024 00:00
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Actually, since Odin was Wong'd too, it would have happened 4 times
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Feb 23, 2024 00:03
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Sick to death of Lockjaw decks. Hela, Thanos, whatever, they're all non-interactive trash. Please euthanize the pupper.
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Feb 23, 2024 09:25
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That’s really the heart of it; any deck that’s basically playing Solitaire against you just isn’t an interesting matchup.
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Feb 23, 2024 14:57
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Speaking of which corvus/ Hela is the fastest I’ve ever ranked up. People keep snapping against it because they don’t realize I’m gonna poop out my entire deck on 6, or even Doom > Odin on 6 if I discarded Hela, or so many other ways to win
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Feb 23, 2024 15:11
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I climbed 300 snap points (20k to 10k) thanks to it; can confirm
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THE AWESOME GHOST posted:Speaking of which corvus/ Hela is the fastest I’ve ever ranked up. People keep snapping against it because they don’t realize I’m gonna poop out my entire deck on 6, or even Doom > Odin on 6 if I discarded Hela, or so many other ways to win People in this thread keep saying it, but my win rate with it is MAYBE 25%. I dropped from 74 to 69. Corvus CONTINUALLY discards the "wrong" cards (Hela often among them), or I just don't get good draw at ALL and he'll discard the right cards, but then I never draw into Hela or even Doom. Edit: And before people come in to say "well, you gotta retreat for that one cube loss if you can see early you don't have good draw" I am. But I keep going against T1 snappers so it's always 2 cubes I lose on retreat, and when I win games it's against Never-Snappers so I'm lucky t get 4 cubes, less if they retreat when it's just 1 or 2. I switched back to using a traditional IW-MODOK-Hela deck and climbed all the way back to 74 between last night and this morning. V V V Edit: Wrote Blade, meant Corvus. Fixed V V V DrBouvenstein fucked around with this message at 16:57 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Feb 23, 2024 16:55
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Blade always discards the rightmost card in your hand, might want to double check the new card text
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I put Corvus in my Blob/Hela deck and I’m moving up but as usual I’m stuck in the 70s. You absolutely have to be willing to retreat with discard decks though, if you aren’t getting what you need you’re going to lose
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The Corvus/Hela list with Sandman is the one I've been having the most success with. Sandman on 4 messes up a lot of combos
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DrBouvenstein posted:People in this thread keep saying it, but my win rate with it is MAYBE 25%. I dropped from 74 to 69. Corvus CONTINUALLY discards the "wrong" cards (Hela often among them), or I just don't get good draw at ALL and he'll discard the right cards, but then I never draw into Hela or even Doom. Yeah this is my experience as well. Most of the time I'm screwed by bad draws or bad discards, and the few times it lines up they can tell what I'm doing and retreat. Godspeed to those finding success with it but it's way too chaotic for me to get any momentum.
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it's gonna be everywhere for the next four days because as you guessed it... it's weekend missions time!!!!
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I played this Corvus Sandman over the last hour and it took me from 97 to 100. I also saw 1 obvious bot. I was playing on my phone so I didn't keep track, but I'd guess I was netting ~.5 cubes/game. The rules I followed: - Don't snap before 3, and retreat if someone snaps before 3 - If you have Electro, Sandman, Doom, and Odin in hand on turn 3, snap and play the cards out in that order - If you have Corvus + Big Dudes but no Hela, snap and play Corvus and play Hela if she appears or Jubilee on 6 (or Jubilee on 5 in an empty lane and Odin on Jubilee on 6) - If you have Corvus + Big Dudes + Hela, play Corvus and snap afterwards if he didn't discard Hela - If you have Hela + Odin after playing Corvus, snap and remember to play them in the same lane
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canyonero posted:I played this Corvus Sandman over the last hour and it took me from 97 to 100. I also saw 1 obvious bot. I was playing on my phone so I didn't keep track, but I'd guess I was netting ~.5 cubes/game. I try, but you'd better believe Hela plops someone back in her lane so I can't Odin it next turn. Edit: Five games out of six Corvus discarded Hela. I would have 5 or 6 cards in hand each time, too. DrBouvenstein fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Feb 23, 2024 |
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Again the deck can win without Hela at all. Sandman doom Odin us very hard to challenge
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canyonero posted:I played this Corvus Sandman over the last hour and it took me from 97 to 100. I also saw 1 obvious bot. I was playing on my phone so I didn't keep track, but I'd guess I was netting ~.5 cubes/game. The Lamby one wasn't working for me but this one has been doing well. Sandman is especially brutal right now with everybody trying to get their Black Swan wins in
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Opopanax posted:The Lamby one wasn't working for me but this one has been doing well. don't worry, we've got all weekend to suffer through this 
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SandGlaive is just mean. I might play this for a while, and I’ve already gotten my money’s worth out of Odin-ing goblins.
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canyonero posted:I played this Corvus Sandman over the last hour and it took me from 97 to 100. I also saw 1 obvious bot. I was playing on my phone so I didn't keep track, but I'd guess I was netting ~.5 cubes/game. its great this works for some people but i went from 90 to oh or also hela brings back cards in her lane and fills it or they shang chi a lane are you guys its working for playing bots or what? literally everyone retreats. dropped electro and sandman, nothing else and they ran. Kly fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Feb 24, 2024 |
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Feb 24, 2024 01:11
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I have three really nice Adam Warlock variants now. Thanks game.
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Yeah, seeing Sandman is basically an auto-retreat at this point. I don’t have time for that poo poo.
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The cure for Sandman is Wong/BP/Zola
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The cure for Sandman is to make him a 4/1 again or some poo poo. He should be a card that only exists in the meta when flood decks are too powerful or prevalent, and they haven't since been, like, early November. That fact that he's showing up in a ramp, big threat meta is a pretty sad commentary on the state of the state of the game. Really wish they didn't skip an OTA to do the Power Couples event.
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if the opponent plays.... Sandman? not fun Lockjaw? not fun Destroy? not fun Alioth? not fun Leech? not fun Galactus? not fun Annihilus? not fun Tribunal? not fun Hela? not fun i will only accept opponents playing zoo decks and turn 6 hulks only (but not high evo hulk because not fun) moving forward
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With the exception of Annihilus, Galactus, and Destroy. Yes. Sandman, Lockjaw, Leech, Tribunal, Hela, and to some extent, Alioth all share a similar problem. Which is how difficult it is to interact with the cards. Tribunal, at least, is telegraphed and easy to disrupt, but it's still the opponent playing solitaire and asking each turn if you have a Rogue or Enchantress in your deck. But Lockjaw, Hela? They're not even solitaire. They're just "Roll a 1d6, on a 3 or better you win the game." Marvel Snap is a game about choosing where to develop power across three separate locations. Decks and archetypes that ignore that aspect of the game suck rear end, and should never be allowed to reach the top tiers of the meta. If a deck like Hela Lockjaw is the best deck in the game, something is badly busted. gently caress, I'd even take old Blob over this because at least there's some skill expression in the endless Thanos mirrors.
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wyoak posted:if the opponent plays.... well, it's fun for me when i play them. i guess just don't get me as your opponent E: Shitposts aside, I think regular Lockjaw is cool, as he specifically affects one lane. I suspect your complaint with Hela Lockjaw is specifically with Hela.
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If you want to imagine a fun time, imagine playing in the current meta with 18 S3 cards left to get and you're still missing Hela, Lockjaw, and MODOK. Every single deck I'm coming up against this season is a deck I can't play. Last season I got into 90s, this time I'm stuck around 70 facing Hela over and over again, slowly retreating my way down into the 60s.
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Sounds joyous. Part of the problem behind JL Hela is that it evolved as a response to Sera Control being atop the meta; a deck designed to resist tech responses. In theory, you can go over the top of its routine power ceiling with stuff like Thanos, Destory, or Living Tribunal, but it never feels like you're playing Marvel Snap. You're just playing Cube Roulette based on where the Hela cards land. Hela is currently in 25% of decks. That is an insane rate for a card like her. I'd like to see Lockjaw nerfed because it's' a cornerstone to both the best Hela and the best Thanos builds, which are the two decks topping the meta right now. But that said, I'd also like to see them nerf Zabu. A lot of Snap's design is balanced around the idea that 4-drops are significantly more powerful than 3-drops simply because it's difficult to play two 4-drops in a single turn. But Zabu makes that easy. Way too easy. I'd honestly support him returning to a 3/2 with the same card text.
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Hela’s problem is that she got way too consistent. She was fine as a pure casino deck. Now it’s way too easy to stat dump 40 or 50 points on turn 6 and just retreat for one cube on the times your Hela gets discarded. I think she’s due for a change because there’s no way future card releases are going to make her less consistent. Maybe something like bring back your cards that were discarded last turn. Zabu is also probably too strong but I was around for original Zabu so I still tend to think he’s fine. It would be an interesting experiment to take him back to a 3/2 and see what happens.
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Devo posted:Zabu is also probably too strong but I was around for original Zabu so I still tend to think he’s fine. It would be an interesting experiment to take him back to a 3/2 and see what happens. I was around too, and while that version was more broken (maybe tied with 3/5 Loki for most broken card) his current version suffers from there being a critical mass of good 4-drops in the game. And as you note with Hella, it's not like they're going to stop printing good cards just to keep him in check. He also creates a situation where swingy tech cards like Shang and Enchantress are too reliably cheap on Turn 6.
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Zabu needs to return to his original text but be OR instead of Ongoing.
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Jedit posted:Zabu needs to return to his original text but be OR instead of Ongoing. Keep Zabu the same but only work for the lane that he’s played in.
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I'd leave Zabu as is but move some of the current more powerful 4 costs to 5 cost with an increase in power so as not to completely kill them as cards.
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If they kill Zabu, which may or may not be a good idea, these big beefcake stat stick decks get *even stronger* because as someone else mentioned, all the interfering tech is at 4.
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My Second Re-Reg posted:The cure for Sandman is Wong/BP/Zola Been playing with this and it’s been fun. Haven’t run into much in the way of counters. The best was getting to dump over 2000 power on the last turn playing Wong/BP/Zola/Odin into Dark Dimension.
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