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70 million people who still bring up "hanoi jane": yay tucker! why shouldn't we hear from the other side???
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InsertPotPun posted:70 million people who still bring up "hanoi jane": yay tucker! why shouldn't we hear from the other side??? Basically there are a few people going "we like white male American power structures you lunatics" Edit at below: lol at that irrational hatred crossing political aisles The Islamic Shock fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Feb 24, 2024 |
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InsertPotPun posted:70 million people who still bring up "hanoi jane": yay tucker! why shouldn't we hear from the other side??? my uncle, who is otherwise a pretty standard lib, is still furious at Fonda. Guess the propaganda was pretty effective on him as a kid back when
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Feb 24, 2024 17:40
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I have no idea how to break down the message of this cartoon, but I am happy someone drew meatshoes.
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Feb 24, 2024 18:02
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So do I make the check out to you, or...?
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Feb 24, 2024 19:00
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axolotl farmer posted:Tom the Dancing Bug feat. Donald and John by Ruben Bolling The Trump as Calvin thing is starting to get away from him a bit. Or maybe it's just me being weird about a child complaining about not being able to do any sexual assaults, even if the child is supposed to represent an old-as-hell man. I think I saw these drop in a dungeon once, back when I played WoW. Technowolf posted:Clay Bennett Despite multiple attempts, they have yet to actually get the stake through his heart, which is why he remains a threat. the_steve fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Feb 24, 2024 |
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Feb 24, 2024 19:25
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Here's the source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga5A6R9BJg It has not aged well.
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Not quite aged well. But I was immediately reminded of that video seeing all the cartoons about shoes…
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 Guardian:  "Martin Rowson on what Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has done for Vladimir Putin – Two years after the invasion began, there is still no Russian victory in sight" Telegraph:  Ukraine: The Latest | 'The ammunition situation is f-----' – live from the new front line Matt:  Odysseus is a concrete step towards the first Moon colony; Thames Water crisis prompts warning that fines could trigger collapse Independent:  Netanyahu presents Israel’s first official post-Gaza war plan After John Martin. The i paper:  Liz Truss attacks Biden and fake Conservatives as she rants to half-empty crowd at US right-wing conference Times: 
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Feb 24, 2024 19:45
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Phlegmish posted:That cartoon is so all over the place, it's hard to take seriously. So Navalny and the Ukrainian government are 'neo-nazis', but the actual alt-right authoritarian sympathizer is a hero. Not sure what his angle is, even tankies don't usually contort themselves this much. NEMØ isn't a tankie, just a straight-up right wing nutjob. The point of the cartoon is "hero dies in prison and everyone memory holes it, but idiot leftie failure dies in prison and we all have to pay attention". This does require you to view Navalny as a leftie, which is, let's call it, a bit dubious, but right wing cartoonists are not known for being closely in touch with reality. (Particularly the "Nazis were actually left-wing" meme, which has been part of the alternate reality conservative cartoonists have lived in for a while now.)
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Feb 24, 2024 20:56
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idonotlikepeas posted:NEMØ isn't a tankie, just a straight-up right wing nutjob. The point of the cartoon is "hero dies in prison and everyone memory holes it, but idiot leftie failure dies in prison and we all have to pay attention". This does require you to view Navalny as a leftie, which is, let's call it, a bit dubious, but right wing cartoonists are not known for being closely in touch with reality. (Particularly the "Nazis were actually left-wing" meme, which has been part of the alternate reality conservative cartoonists have lived in for a while now.) Dude seems like an Russian AI bot or something.
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Feb 25, 2024 00:26
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hooman posted:So the only way to stop the genocide is to let democrats know that we won't vote for them if they do genocide. Got it. Both major political parties support the genocide. There's virtually nothing we can actually do to prevent it. It's sad, it's awful, but it's also the reality of the situation. Voting Republican will not stop the genocide, and will likely just accelerate it given the bloodlust shown by conservatives towards Muslims in the past. Voting Democratic will also not stop the genocide because the party leadership is unwilling to stop funding Israel. If we had a functioning democracy, a third party would be able to step up and potentially move the needle among left-leaning parties, but we do not.
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Dirk the Average posted:Both major political parties support the genocide. There's virtually nothing we can actually do to prevent it. It's sad, it's awful, but it's also the reality of the situation. Voting Republican will not stop the genocide, and will likely just accelerate it given the bloodlust shown by conservatives towards Muslims in the past. Voting Democratic will also not stop the genocide because the party leadership is unwilling to stop funding Israel. I am well aware that both support it, I am talking about preventing future genocides within the context of a nonfunctional democracy, it's a difference between immediate harm reduction and long term harm reduction. I don't want to derail politoons by trying to have this discussion here, come read the Electoral Politics thread.
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Feb 25, 2024 00:47
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Dirk the Average posted:Both major political parties support the genocide. There's virtually nothing we can actually do to prevent it. It's sad, it's awful, but it's also the reality of the situation. Voting Republican will not stop the genocide, and will likely just accelerate it given the bloodlust shown by conservatives towards Muslims in the past. Voting Democratic will also not stop the genocide because the party leadership is unwilling to stop funding Israel. We have a functioning democracy. Support for Israel, including its actions, is broadly popular, at least to a sufficient degree that "stopping" them is electorally destructive. This is still not the thread for this garbage.
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Feb 25, 2024 00:52
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Discendo Vox posted:We have a functioning democracy. Support for Israel, including its actions, is broadly popular, at least to a sufficient degree that "stopping" them is electorally destructive. So why aren't you posting there, since you clearly have such strong views about it? Especially when you were the one to bring up Trump when someone leveled a fair criticism of Biden. All you are doing is sniping and then demanding nobody respond to your sniping by pointing at a thread that you yourself don't post in.
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hooman posted:So why aren't you posting there, since you clearly have such strong views about it? Especially when you were the one to bring up Trump when someone leveled a fair criticism of Biden. All you are doing is sniping and then demanding nobody respond to your sniping by pointing at a thread that you yourself don't post in. The point of the containment thread is so that the mods can finally punish users for repeatedly raising already refuted claims (like the counterfactual that Donald Trump would be better on Israel/Palestine). The post I responded to was about a cartoon criticizing Trump. That's the whole loving point of the counterfactual reframing. I'm pissed because the containment has failed; users are continuing to be obliged to correct these claims in other places because, since they won't entertain you in that thread, you are making the same claims in the loving political cartoons thread.
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Feb 25, 2024 01:28
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I don't disapprove of the message here but please, for the love of God, if you have no idea how poetry works, don't do it. The again I guess most people in this thread have no idea how art works either and somehow made careers in it.
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Feb 25, 2024 01:30
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Thoughtless posted:I don't disapprove of the message here but please, for the love of God, if you have no idea how poetry works, don't do it. To be fair iirc the original poem also fucks up its meter, though in a different place: There was an old woman who lived in a shoe. She had so many children, she didn't know what to do. She gave them some broth without any bread; And whipped them all soundly and put them to bed.
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Discendo Vox posted:The point of the containment thread is so that the mods can finally punish users for repeatedly raising already refuted claims (like the counterfactual that Donald Trump would be better on Israel/Palestine). The post I responded to was about a cartoon criticizing Trump. That's the whole loving point of the counterfactual reframing. I'm pissed because the containment has failed; users are continuing to be obliged to correct these claims in other places because, since they won't entertain you in that thread, you are making the same claims in the loving political cartoons thread. The post you were responding to didn't make the case that Trump would be better on I/P. Neither did the cartoon that post quoted. Cartoon: idonotlikepeas posted:Drew Sheneman Heliotrope posted:Hey. Hey Drew. Do you think there might be another reason people don't like Biden other then age? I know Democrats decided that rape wasn't actually that bad when Joe Biden decided to run but "It's fine to help another country carry out their genocide" is gonna be a bit more difficult to sell. Nobody is obliging you to do anything, you are stuffing words into the mouths of posters and getting into a rage about what you are imagining they are saying. None of the posts you are quoting, Heliotrope, Dirk the Average, nor I have said Trump would be better on I/P, you are projecting that onto us. If you think a post contravenes the rules you have a perfectly functional report button. hooman fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Feb 25, 2024 |
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Feb 25, 2024 01:42
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idonotlikepeas posted:NEMØ isn't a tankie, just a straight-up right wing nutjob. The point of the cartoon is "hero dies in prison and everyone memory holes it, but idiot leftie failure dies in prison and we all have to pay attention". This does require you to view Navalny as a leftie, which is, let's call it, a bit dubious, but right wing cartoonists are not known for being closely in touch with reality. (Particularly the "Nazis were actually left-wing" meme, which has been part of the alternate reality conservative cartoonists have lived in for a while now.) I know what the point is, and I know that even many on the right call everyone they don't agree with a Nazi, but calling Navalny and the entire Ukrainian government neo-nazis but not the actual alt-right grifter...it's just...how do you maintain that level of cognitive dissonance? It's almost impressive.
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Yes my point is that Drew and all the other cartoonists who draw "People won't support Biden because he's old!" cartoons are lying. They know that saying "Biden is helping commit a genocide, but you have to vote for him anyway and he's not going to stop supporting it even if he wins" is insane so they try and make it seem like opposition to Biden is ridiculous and arbitrary as opposed to being horrified at what he's enabling. Trump will most likely be worse, yes. But if you support Biden and want him back because you think he'll do less harm then you can't ignore this. You have to give people a good reason to vote for Biden anyway, not just ignore why people don't want to support him right now. And if you can't, maybe reflect on that.
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Heliotrope posted:Yes my point is that Drew and all the other cartoonists who draw "People won't support Biden because he's old!" cartoons are lying. They know that saying "Biden is helping commit a genocide, but you have to vote for him anyway and he's not going to stop supporting it even if he wins" is insane so they try and make it seem like opposition to Biden is ridiculous and arbitrary as opposed to being horrified at what he's enabling. The cartoon is not a conspiracy by the cartoonist to cover for Biden's I/P policy, it's the daily churned-out response to the thing occupying equal or greater headlines and concerns about Biden, including among democrats. You are correctly identifying the bullshit counterfactual denial of consequentialism that we are specifically not supposed to have to entertain outside the containment thread. Go there.
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Discendo Vox posted:The cartoon is not a conspiracy by the cartoonist to cover for Biden's I/P policy, it's the daily churned-out response to the thing occupying equal or greater headlines and concerns about Biden, including among democrats. There was no counterfactual, the cartoon claims people do not like Biden because he's old. The response countered that claim. You were specifically the poster who started this discussion by incorrectly claiming that the post that you quoted said something it didn't. You are directly responsible for this content being in this thread, when instead you could have hit report and moved on and let the mods do their jobs, instead you continue making GBS threads up the thread with backseat modding.
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Phlegmish posted:I know what the point is, and I know that even many on the right call everyone they don't agree with a Nazi, but calling Navalny and the entire Ukrainian government neo-nazis but not the actual alt-right grifter...it's just...how do you maintain that level of cognitive dissonance? It's almost impressive. This is the kind of thing you have to do every day as a conservative in the modern-day US. I think the main tactics involve ignoring any evidence that contradicts your world view; we have a lot of tools for doing that, like claiming it's a pack of lies from people trying to prevent you from seeing the real truth. For instance, in this case, if you consider Nazis to be left-wing, the idea of a right-wing grifter being a Nazi never has to enter your head in the first place. The fact that the Nazis were and are virulently right-wing simply isn't something you have to consider. Heliotrope posted:Yes my point is that Drew and all the other cartoonists who draw "People won't support Biden because he's old!" cartoons are lying. Sheneman actually responded to this post before you made it: Drew Sheneman posted:I had a reader point out that Biden isn’t as benign as he’s depicted above. That’'s certainly true, political cartoons are something of a blunt instrument. The few seconds of attention a cartoon demands doesn’t leave much room for subtlety. The larger point remains, however, the choice between the two frontrunners is stark, beware any source that tells you otherwise. I included his text on this one, even though I generally don't bother doing that with his cartoons (since they tend to stand alone and not require further explanation), specifically to try to keep this argument from happening in this thread. Apparently that was insufficient. This is going to keep coming up; it's an election year, and people are going to do cartoons about Biden and Trump and their relative merits. I don't know if this is the right procedure, but if someone wants to have a discussion on the topic of election strategy relative to a cartoon, possibly quote it in the relevant thread as an example of whatever you believe it to be an example of? I wouldn't mind some mod guidance on this one, since we probably shouldn't be trying to avoid discussing political cartoons in the political cartoons thread, either. Amjad Rasmi  Christopher Weyant  Clay Bennett  Darrin Bell  David Horsey  Dick Wright  Jack Ohman  Jeff Danziger  John Darkow  Matt Davies  Mike Smith  Randall Enos  Rick McKee  Walt Handelsman  I heard Ramona Fradon passed away today. Not generally a political cartoonist, but she did draw this: 
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idonotlikepeas posted:Jack Ohman Is elephant
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Kellies Nomination: Best Edit/Parody
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idonotlikepeas posted:Dick Wright A politician doing something that people want makes their polls numbers look better. AGC
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idonotlikepeas posted:Randall Enos Kellies Nomination: Worst Caricature Has this man ever seen a picture of Melania before?
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hooman posted:There was no counterfactual, the cartoon claims people do not like Biden because he's old. The response countered that claim. Okay, dude, I can point you at dozens of media articles where pundits question whether BIDEN IS TOO OLD and dozens of polls where IS BIDEN TOO OLD????? is asked of the public and the public responds with YES BIDEN TOO OLD. Christ, it's the subject of a third of the political cartoons for the last month or so. Insisting that no, no one believes Biden is too old, it's all a cover-up for how everyone hates him for his I/P views is entirely you taking your own opinion, applying it to everyone, ignoring all other evidence. Yes, some people hate him for I/P, but there is also a lot of conversation about him being old.
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JamesBont posted:A politician doing something that people want makes their polls numbers look better. AGC
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skeleton warrior posted:Okay, dude, I can point you at dozens of media articles where pundits question whether BIDEN IS TOO OLD and dozens of polls where IS BIDEN TOO OLD????? is asked of the public and the public responds with YES BIDEN TOO OLD. Christ, it's the subject of a third of the political cartoons for the last month or so. Please quote where I said this. EDIT: To be clear, I think there are a host of factors contributing to Biden's low approval rating, and the contributing factors go well beyond "Old" and of that there are things that are both within and outside of his control. The cartoon however contrasts the least damning accusation of old with the most damning accusation that could be brought against Trump. Which, to me, justifies the response: Heliotrope posted:Hey. Hey Drew. Do you think there might be another reason people don't like Biden other then age? I know Democrats decided that rape wasn't actually that bad when Joe Biden decided to run but "It's fine to help another country carry out their genocide" is gonna be a bit more difficult to sell. And the author's own commentary seems to agree with this, reading: Drew Sheneman posted:I had a reader point out that Biden isn’t as benign as he’s depicted above. That’'s certainly true, political cartoons are something of a blunt instrument. In context, I think the criticism leveled by Heliotrope is a fair one, that didn't require any of the bullshit that followed. hooman fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Feb 25, 2024 |
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Shut the gently caress up Fishman. The only times I have heard of something anything like that happening went: *celebrity chef shows how to prepare something like jerk chicken or pad thai* *members of that community laugh at them for doing it so wrong* *they take their ball and go home and whine about woke cancel culture to the nearest chud media*
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Observer:  "Meanwhile in Gaza, the deaths and destruction go on – The Commons descended into chaos over a ceasefire vote, but the war continues" Sunday Telegraph:  Britain to spend £250m on artillery shells for Ukraine Matt:  Sunday Times: 
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China Daily War harms world peace by Shi Yu  Exacerbating tensions by Cai Meng  AI grants wishes by Luo Jie  The threat by Cai Meng  Blinken's 'table and menu theory' by Luo Jie  Le Monde Russie : le meurtre de Navalny/Russia: Nalvalny's murder by Nardi from Italy  Plus de neige/No more snow by Micaël  Dernier espoir pour Julian Assange/Last hope for Julian Assange by Ramsés from Cuba 
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100YrsofAttitude posted:The threat by Cai Meng
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100YrsofAttitude posted:AI grants wishes by Luo Jie I... I really don't get this one. There is literally no reason shown for the person on the right to be running away screaming from... what looks like just an ordinary genie's lamp?
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