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slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I thought I was having a stroke or deja vu for a second there

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Wombot
Sep 11, 2001

Same, and Swift is not actually the reason why - from the press release, due to weather Sydney airport is limiting arrival slots. Qantas is using the A380 to replace 3 737 flights MEL-SYD that were scheduled to depart 4pm onwards - too late to be swifties.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
The A380 is actually just for taking Taylor from Melbourne to Sydney, she’s decided her current private jet doesn’t have a big enough carbon footprint.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



I'm just grateful Tay isn't polyamorous

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011


quote:

Soon after that, President Maduro of Venezuela gave a press conference, stating the seizing of the aircraft was unlawful and that it was only used to fly humanitarian aid and medicines to Venezuela from China, India and Russia.

However, by then material downloaded from the electronic devices from the crew, surfaced showing photos of boxes of weapons in the cargo hold and in front of the aircraft at an undisclosed location.

https://youtu.be/pBdGOrcUEg8?si=DYWlpenYzKQ_8wa5

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

*Lionel Hutz voice* small arms are kinds of medicine

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003


best passenger airplane ever built fite me

goatsestretchgoals
Jun 4, 2011

8head

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

i dont gotta look at the outside of the thing when im riding in it!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
yeah the passenger experience is pretty great

Wombot
Sep 11, 2001

747 still holds the crown for just looking perfect. A380 is a level above for passenger experience.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Wombot posted:

747 still holds the crown for just looking perfect. A380 is a level above for passenger experience.

Having a memorable look maybe. There's a bunch of unestethic, liking familiar things baked into that and prestige of 'biggest & best'. A bit like if someone is obsessing over their national sports team from an obsolete era 1966

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
The A380 looks bloated and fat, not a fan (yes my monitor is on).

The 747 has nice curves.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
The A380's wing is a thing of beauty and I'll never not be awed by seeing one landing or rotating because it looks like a goddamned building is flying in a way the 747 doesn't match.

But yes, as a whole the plane is pretty artless. But it wasn't designed to be pretty, it was designed as a bet that hub-and-spoke was going to continue to be the order of things.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.
You can all get in line behind the 752. :allears:

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEDVRWfv_LI

This passed me by on YouTube and I felt I just had to share it with someone. What on earth is going on here? I mean, I get that there's probably some crosswind shenanigans going on, but it looks pretty alarming around 30 seconds in where the plane is just careening towards an embankment at high speed with full right rudder applied and it's still not turning very much. Was this carefully planned or is it as sketchy as it looks?

St_Ides
May 19, 2008
I think a lot of that is due to telephoto lens compression and they’re further from shore than they look before the course corrections take hold.

It looks like that’s a pretty vital shipping area, so they’d know there’s minimal chance of hitting major debris or a shoal or anything, so getting closer to shoe isn’t a huge deal.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

TheFluff posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEDVRWfv_LI

This passed me by on YouTube and I felt I just had to share it with someone. What on earth is going on here? I mean, I get that there's probably some crosswind shenanigans going on, but it looks pretty alarming around 30 seconds in where the plane is just careening towards an embankment at high speed with full right rudder applied and it's still not turning very much. Was this carefully planned or is it as sketchy as it looks?

I think it’s simply an extreme telephoto lens making a step taxi look odd.

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

yes drive your airplane directly to where the ducks and swans are

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
My guess would be that it was too slow for the rudder to have any effect. I guess I never thought about how seaplanes work, it seems like it could beneft from having a rudder in the water like a ship.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



mobby_6kl posted:

My guess would be that it was too slow for the rudder to have any effect. I guess I never thought about how seaplanes work, it seems like it could beneft from having a rudder in the water like a ship.

This. Rudder command authority will require a minimum speed before it takes effect. With the added drag of a hull in water, that's going to be a higher speed than you'd require with only skinny tires on concrete/asphalt. The tip floats probably add a bit of sail effect with the crosswind, so it's a bit more of a fight to bring her around.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Feb 24, 2024

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

PainterofCrap posted:

This. Rudder command will require a minimum speed before it takes affect. With the added drag of a hull in water, that's

/double checks I'm not in the Nautical Insanity thread

Serjeant Buzfuz
Dec 5, 2009

Wait is there a nautical Insanity thread??

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004

:hai::hf::eyepop:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3682371

We had three separate "boat ownership" threads but everyone has kind of settled on this thread for general non-commercial boating chat

Rudder speed in water is really important when docking, since you need at least 2kts boat speed to have any rudder authority, but it's also usually when you're in the tightest quarters with biggest risk to other property, plus you're usually wishing you were going way way less than 2kts

Further edit

1) must be going minimum X speed to turn 90 degrees in to your boat slip
2) X speed is also the minimum speed needed to do thousands of dollars of damage in a collision
3) The faster over X speed you go, the easier it is to dock the boat
4) the faster over X speed you do, you do XX damage to other boats in a collision

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Feb 24, 2024

TheFluff
Dec 13, 2006

FRIENDS, LISTEN TO ME
I AM A SEAGULL
OF WEALTH AND TASTE

Serjeant Buzfuz posted:

Wait is there a nautical Insanity thread??

Nautical Insanity: That's not a leak you're sinking

More active when it's summer in the northern hemisphere, usually.

efb

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Hadlock posted:

:hai::hf::eyepop:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3682371

We had three separate "boat ownership" threads but everyone has kind of settled on this thread for general non-commercial boating chat

Rudder speed in water is really important when docking, since you need at least 2kts boat speed to have any rudder authority, but it's also usually when you're in the tightest quarters with biggest risk to other property, plus you're usually wishing you were going way way less than 2kts

Further edit

1) must be going minimum X speed to turn 90 degrees in to your boat slip
2) X speed is also the minimum speed needed to do thousands of dollars of damage in a collision
3) The faster over X speed you go, the easier it is to dock the boat
4) the faster over X speed you do, you do XX damage to other boats in a collision

It’s even more complicated for seaplanes.

https://www.flytheshark.com/guide-to-seaplane-flying/taxi-operations-water-handling/

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004


/Laughs in dinghy racing

Edit to be less opaque: dinghies have very little weight/inertia, so shifting crew weight to adjust wetted area/surface to minimize*/best utilize** drag varies quite a lot, plus the sail is a formal aerofoil so angle of attack etc changes with pitch and yaw

*Down wind
**Upwind, both in relation to the chine, and center of gravity vs center of effort of the sail aerofoil

More edit

America's cup boats used to have two main sails, "twin skin", one on either side, so they could modify both sides of the air foil depending on which tack they were on

Hadlock fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Feb 25, 2024

Jaguars!
Jul 31, 2012


I believe that Catalinas are also particularly difficult to steer since the engines are so close together so they don't get a lot of torque from revving asymetrically.

BalloonFish
Jun 30, 2013



Fun Shoe

Jaguars! posted:

I believe that Catalinas are also particularly difficult to steer since the engines are so close together so they don't get a lot of torque from revving asymetrically.

My understanding too. The big stuff like the Mars or Sunderland, with four engines spaced well along the wing, were relatively easy to manoeuvre on water with differential thrust. Although both also have a vast amount of windage thanks to their flat, tall fuselage and large vertical stabiliser, combined with relatively little keel below the water. The Sunderland was often easier to get on and off a mooring by 'sailing it', using the ailerons and rudder to influence the natural tendency of the aircraft to want to be a square rigger. Really good pilots could even tack the aircraft upwind onto a buoy in the right conditions.

Single-engined floatplanes do have retractable water rudders, as (aiui) do smaller twin flying boats like the Goose.

The Catalina must be a bit of a perfect storm of being big and unwieldy, suffering a lot of windage and having only two engines close to the centreline.

Didn't one of the modernised Dornier flying boats - either the Seastar or that Do24-AT - have bow/stern thrusters?

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

mobby_6kl posted:

My guess would be that it was too slow for the rudder to have any effect. I guess I never thought about how seaplanes work, it seems like it could beneft from having a rudder in the water like a ship.

Most multiengine flying boats (PBYs included) and floatplanes lack water rudders because you generally use asymmetric thrust to maneuver on the water, but as mentioned upthread the engines on a PBY specifically have relatively little arm about the vertical axis for the engines to act on. Not an issue in calm winds, but we can see how a crosswind takeoff can be challenging.

One of the biggest advantages to flying on the water is that you can almost always operate directly into the wind. Almost. :v:

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



From Chick In The Cockpit:

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



PainterofCrap posted:

From Chick In The Cockpit:



lmao

Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

Feeling real seen with that intercom rubber band comment. The 747 needed that hack, which is a drat thing to see in an airplane that listed for a quarter of a billion dollars.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003


Hey I took that same picture in 2020!

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
In the mean time, they’ve installed a screen to keep animals out of the engine and installed a bridge over that ditch.

Freaquency
May 10, 2007

"Yes I can hear you, I don't have ear cancer!"


I don’t think that’s supposed to go there

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


Freaquency posted:

I don’t think that’s supposed to go there

Turns out certain planes reproduce asexually, by budding. Just the process takes so long we’re only starting to discover it.

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Arson Daily
Aug 11, 2003

that little guy? i wouldnt worry about that little guy

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