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ELTON JOHN posted:
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Literally yes. You're comparing conscript armies to the most fanatic volunteer death cult in existence. and then he martyred himself and became a good troop how does that fit into your analysis here
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Delta-Wye posted:here's hoping he makes a difference, at least hebrews have previously listened to a burning bushnell jesus christ
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Flournival Dixon posted:Ah, see this post is a really good example of dogmatism and western moralizing! Additional to this post, I feel that the reason cops don't fit into this kind of argument is that police are very strictly ideologically indoctrinated into a class war position in a way that is self-reinforcing and overwhelmingly identity-forming. An American troop certainly goes through a lot of ideological indoctrination but it seems to me to ultimately fail to get people on board with the imperialist project that is their job to enforce. I suspect that it's because imperialism is a difficult thing to educate people about, and certainly to sell it in a positive light, so they tend toward focusing on national pride/defense rather than creating a sense of white supremacist domination and class war persecution in the way that police do. I also suspect that the reason they fail to do that is that being a troop is significantly more difficult and dangerous than being a police officer, so a lot more time and social resources can go to making police into evil monsters. Troops on the other hand seem to be put into a structural position that lets them do evil and monstrous things without necessarily buying into the ideological apparatus of imperialism.
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Morbus posted:jesus christ nah, moses
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i say swears online posted:nah, moses rough chuckles tonite
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i say swears online posted:nah, moses lol
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Delta-Wye posted:here's hoping he makes a difference, at least hebrews have previously listened to a burning bushnell Christ
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hell yea Syrian emigré comrade messaged us earlier today for an organizing meeting between the community and the socialist/communist orgs this week as well
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stephenthinkpad posted:DTI security guard. That guy was absolutely making GBS threads his pants in fear of someone who valued an idea more than his life
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Mia Wasikowska posted:sure and every american is complicit in empire who cares So this is just going to be used the same way that 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' is? Obviously some Americans are more complicit in empire than others, and troops are foremost among the non-bourgeois! Flournival Dixon posted:Ah, see this post is a really good example of dogmatism and western moralizing! Western moralising to say Americans shouldn't organise with American troops?? US troops know how to call in airstrikes and plant drop guns. No one deserves to be in a revolutionary group, and accepting people who are directly responsible for the destruction of the countries of other potential recruits is hosed. apatheticman posted:You are missing a large problem of how the state exploits the poor to get its colonial cops but go off I guess. I couldn't give a gently caress about someone's sob story about killing kids to pay for their college. No one itt would accept this poo poo about an Israeli reservist saying they were forced into committing genocide. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) WhiskeyWhiskers has issued a correction as of 04:54 on Feb 27, 2024 |
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I couldn't give a gently caress about someone's sob story about killing kids to pay for their college. hey sorry comrades i got a huge signing bonus i already spent on a camaro that they're threatening to take away so i had to give sarge my telegram password
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I couldn't give a gently caress about someone's sob story about killing kids to pay for their college. No one itt would accept this poo poo about an Israeli reservist saying they were forced into committing genocide. it used to be two kids per credit hour now its ten
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man if you are approaching revolution from the perspective of "people deserving of membership" rather than that of "people useful to the movement" then you are so far off track that i don't know where to even begin have you read any socialist theory on materialism and organization? i think some of Mao's stuff might actually be able to help you on this one even though I wouldn't generally recommend it for a westerner since it's so far from application to our own circumstances but the philosophy of it is still pretty useful
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between you and me the wrong person at the embassy (people really) burned to death screaming while having guns pointed at them
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:So this is just going to be used the same way that 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' is? Obviously some Americans are more complicit in empire than others, and troops are foremost among the non-bourgeois! Please tell how much more noble you are brave poster than the guy who choose to burn to death to try to do something for Gaza. If an IDF troop set himself on fire outside of Bibis house screaming Free Palestine it would be a good thing actually.
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Flournival Dixon posted:man if you are approaching revolution from the perspective of "people deserving of membership" rather than that of "people useful to the movement" then you are so far off track that i don't know where to even begin It's secular Calvinism but Marxist instead of Lib/Fascist
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Flournival Dixon posted:I don't think there are any marxist-leninist active troops, I remember seeing a photo of some officer graduating from Westpoint clandestinely showing the photographer the inside of his cover (hat) that had a copy of Das Kapital in it or something.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Please tell how much more noble you are brave poster than the guy who choose to burn to death to try to do something for Gaza. I am not arguing that. I think it's the only good thing a troop can do, and I'm very glad and impressed he did it. This is about his work with Serve the People prior to his martyrdom.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:So this is just going to be used the same way that 'no ethical consumption under capitalism' is? Obviously some Americans are more complicit in empire than others, and troops are foremost among the non-bourgeois! agreed. i will begin organizing all of my fellow americans to march into a woodchipper immediately comrade
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Mister Speaker posted:I remember seeing a photo of some officer graduating from Westpoint clandestinely showing the photographer the inside of his cover (hat) that had a copy of Das Kapital in it or something. he was immediately expelled lol, and rightfully so
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I am not arguing that. I think it's the only good thing a troop can do, and I'm very glad and impressed he did it. This is about his work with Serve the People prior to his martyrdom. He did more good there than all your whimpering posts in your life
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:I couldn't give a gently caress about someone's sob story about killing kids to pay for their college. No one itt would accept this poo poo about an Israeli reservist saying they were forced into committing genocide. Weird moral outrage to a dude who died the most painful death imaginable while screaming the things you purport to support. I get your overall point but maybe this isn't the time
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:Why are anarchist groups allowing active duty American troops to organise with them??? lol
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Flournival Dixon posted:man if you are approaching revolution from the perspective of "people deserving of membership" rather than that of "people useful to the movement" then you are so far off track that i don't know where to even begin They're active threats to the movement, and my point was literally and exactly that no one deserves to be in the movement.
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Mister Speaker posted:I remember seeing a photo of some officer graduating from Westpoint clandestinely showing the photographer the inside of his cover (hat) that had a copy of Das Kapital in it or something. Spenser Rapone I think, he had a Che Gueva shirt under his uniform and he wrote "Communism Will Win" in his hat. He was with the 75th Rangers in Afghanistan and had a similar experience to Tillman but lived long enough to find a framework to put his sense that something was very wrong into an understanding. :quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/46U6I6EN35FOJAWZZMIZDQSU7M.jpg) :quality(70)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/archetype/7UTGAS2SAJB47EOTCC2IRP2JUI.jpg)
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For many military service is just a way out of a broken home where no other prospects exist. My brother-in-law was an example of this and he became an even more fervant leftist after he left the army and we would talk communist shop all the time. He ended up killing himself unfortunately. America is a dystopic shithole so it's frankly not surprising that the MIC feeds on the poorest of the poor. But let's not forget that those people the country takes into its service aren't all imbeciles that are going to be molded into perfect psychopathic patriots. Many learn exactly what they hate about this country and why while in the service.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:No one deserves to be in a revolutionary group, and accepting people who are directly responsible for the destruction of the countries of other potential recruits is hosed. Exactly. No one deserves to be in a revolutionary group - you want people that would be useful in one.
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edit: Actually gently caress this stupid argument, he was a true loving comrade and saw more clearly than you.
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Cops however, I have NOTHING positive to say about those class traitors or their loving cop gangs.
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the team america dicks pussies and assholes speech but it's about troops anarchists and cops
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The Voice of Labor posted:the team america dicks pussies and assholes speech but it's about troops anarchists and cops
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Strep Vote posted:What on earth does this mean?? It means they've appointed themselves high priest of who deserves to be in the movement
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Ansar Santa posted:Exactly. No one deserves to be in a revolutionary group - you want people that would be useful in one. Strep Vote posted:What on earth does this mean?? That American troops (especially if we accept they're willing to sell their souls to escape poverty) are extremely likely to get you arrested or killed.
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The Voice of Labor posted:the team america dicks pussies and assholes speech but it's about troops anarchists and cops
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i say swears online posted:he was immediately expelled lol, and rightfully so He also started one of those Epic Troop podcasts. Rapone, right? C. Clymer also went to West Point.
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FirstnameLastname posted:its wild seeing ansarallah and hamas snd the taliban all immediately showing more recognition and respect to Bushnell, American Troop At War With Them, than the American media government and military combined could even pretend to muster people in a philosophically living world -- vs -- people in a philosophically extinct reality things can grow and change and be accomplished, ideas and dreams may flourish or perish -- or -- the universe is a sterile corpse, actions result in recombinations of arbitrary dead materials things may be good or bad or some mixture or even not much of either. qualities might exist. perhaps even moral concepts??? -- or -- literally nothing. we're ghosts or in hell already idk. zero-sum in a hosed-up way more than math or fedora-posting or strategy.
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