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WFM has a lot of problems, but those are problems that are shared by a lot of the rest of the franchise. The pacing is rough in the back half, and there's stuff that just never really gets resolved, but those are hardly unique sins. It's not the first series to have interesting political problems going on in setting that just kind of get handwaved away when the big space magic happens. Though admittedly I can't think of any others rn that leave ends as loose as Kenanji
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There's a lot of mediocre Gundam. Compare that to Macross which is feast or famine with its quality. Or VOTOMS which is massive peaks and then an unstoppable hurtling into the abyss.
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chrome line posted:WFM has a lot of problems, but those are problems that are shared by a lot of the rest of the franchise. The pacing is rough in the back half, and there's stuff that just never really gets resolved, but those are hardly unique sins. It's not the first series to have interesting political problems going on in setting that just kind of get handwaved away when the big space magic happens. Though admittedly I can't think of any others rn that leave ends as loose as Kenanji I get why you consider Kenanji a loose end but that character's entire situation was genuinely one of the funniest ways for that angle to go down. It's also startlingly realistic, because as far as the characters are concerned, from his perspective Kenanji was just doing his job and from Prospera's perspective she's got so much bigger fish to fry, she's absolutely willing to work with (and use) the people who murdered her friends and loved ones to do it and "the grunt who actually pulled the trigger on my husband" is clearly far down the list of her priorities. So while the audience is primed to hate him for his role in the prologue, the whiplash of meeting him again 20 years later is hilarious. So we're left with basically an even goofier Yazan Gable who never really gets to return to being an edgy hardass, comedy relief Yazan is just his life now until he needs to respond to an active shooter at a school. I still chuckle whenever I think about him.
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most gundam is middling-to-good but unfortunately the tomino style of gundam i find difficult to keep with for the length those shows tend to run. stuff like 0083 is poorly written but still very fun(ny) to watch, i refuse to call that bad.chrome line posted:WFM has a lot of problems, but those are problems that are shared by a lot of the rest of the franchise. The pacing is rough in the back half, and there's stuff that just never really gets resolved, but those are hardly unique sins. It's not the first series to have interesting political problems going on in setting that just kind of get handwaved away when the big space magic happens. Though admittedly I can't think of any others rn that leave ends as loose as Kenanji (ridiculously light spoiler i guess)what political problems in the franchise get resolved? UC certainly doesn't resolve basically any of its problems ever. stuff like wing that tries to tie a neat bow on "and then war was done forever and the colonies stopped being oppressed" is pretty rare, and even wing had that ending refuted in its OVA.
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ninjewtsu posted:most gundam is middling-to-good but unfortunately the tomino style of gundam i find difficult to keep with for the length those shows tend to run. stuff like 0083 is poorly written but still very fun(ny) to watch, i refuse to call that bad. I won't, I'm absolutely willing to admit something's poo poo and still enjoy it. It's a technique that helps to maintain perspective and avoid getting one's sense of self-worth too tied up in petty bullshit like media opinions.
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This does mean I'm not actually refuting gripweed's assertion, and am fine with leaving his opinion on the quality of Gundam in general be. I just don't find his opinions helpful.
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Runa posted:It's a technique that helps to maintain perspective and avoid getting one's sense of self-worth too tied up in petty bullshit like media opinions. It'd be nice if I could actually beat that feeling out of myself considering I got way, way too into WFM Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Feb 26, 2024 |
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Feb 26, 2024 23:48
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WfM is one of the better AU entries in the franchise, probably worth the time if you like Gundam. There is a lot that's worse, honestly the major releases of the last decade have all been p decent. It's the run from the middle 90s to the early 2010s where there is a real staggering range to the quality of the products.
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I'd put WfM near the mid-top of the AUs, yeah. It's not the absolute best, nowhere near the nadir, and unlike Gundam X I don't want to shove shards of glass in my ears every time the protagonist talks.
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Build Fighters is still one of my top shows, alongside the original Gundam. Iron Blooded is there, too. 0080. Turn A.
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Suletta is our friend.
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Tae posted:Build Fighters is still one of my top shows, alongside the original Gundam. Iron Blooded is there, too. 0080. Turn A.  the first build fighters was some real good stuff. Nothing world changing or anything but fun to watch.
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I'm still impressed that Build Divers Re:Rise was able to thread the needle of telling a story that feels like a Gundam story while still be a younger kids toy anime
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only 24 episodes for wfm was a crime
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Runa posted:I can't really use your taste as an effective barometer for whether I'll like something because you're usually hyping up SEED when I got bored of it halfway through. I have never hyped up SEED, I have consistently said it's "not that bad"
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Gripweed posted:I have never hyped up SEED, I have consistently said it's "not that bad" I guess I just misread your vibe whenever you're going hard defending it, then.
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SatoshiMiwa posted:I'm still impressed that Build Divers Re:Rise was able to thread the needle of telling a story that feels like a Gundam story while still be a younger kids toy anime And it's a Gundam story that eschews most of the typical character and plot tropes of Gundam. It has the Gundam spirit while still feeling modern and fresh Runa posted:I guess I just misread your vibe whenever you're going hard defending it, then. oh yeah, it gets a totally unwarranted amount of poo poo in the Western fan base, so I am frequently forced to fill the role of SEED defender. But I am hardly a huge SEED fan.
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Gripweed posted:And it's a Gundam story that eschews most of the typical character and plot tropes of Gundam. It has the Gundam spirit while still feeling modern and fresh Yeah, I don't like SEED much at all but it is the kind of thing where not despising it can feel like liking it in comparison
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Synthbuttrange posted:only 24 episodes for wfm was a crime See while I probably would of liked 1-2 more episodes to flesh out a few things and I do want more series in the setting I'm not sure the type of story Witch was telling would of benefited from be s three or 4 cour series. I think being 2 cour and having tighter pacing worked a lot better for it
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I liked WfM enough to get a copy of that unofficial doujin that the staff put out at Comiket in protest to the whole "open to interpretation" thing, but I agree that it could have used a few extra episodes to flesh things out a little better so that the ending wouldn't have been as frantic.
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ninjewtsu posted:(ridiculously light spoiler i guess)what political problems in the franchise get resolved? UC certainly doesn't resolve basically any of its problems ever. stuff like wing that tries to tie a neat bow on "and then war was done forever and the colonies stopped being oppressed" is pretty rare, and even wing had that ending refuted in its OVA. I mean nothing gets resolved in UC but the shows know that and view that as this tragic thing. ZZ ends with Judau punching Bright because nothing changes and he knows he can't do anything about it. WFM feels to me like it thinks the ending is much simpler and happier than it actually is Runa posted:I get why you consider Kenanji a loose end but that character's entire situation was genuinely one of the funniest ways for that angle to go down. It's also startlingly realistic, because as far as the characters are concerned, from his perspective Kenanji was just doing his job and from Prospera's perspective she's got so much bigger fish to fry, she's absolutely willing to work with (and use) the people who murdered her friends and loved ones to do it and "the grunt who actually pulled the trigger on my husband" is clearly far down the list of her priorities. So while the audience is primed to hate him for his role in the prologue, the whiplash of meeting him again 20 years later is hilarious. I mean it's a very funny thing to do but I also don't think that's intentional. And he's still a huge piece of poo poo when we see him again, he's still a massive cop. I obviously don't think every villain needs to be rightfully punished, it just feels like part of a trend where the show doesn't resolve a lot of stuff it felt like it was setting up, and not in a way that felt intentional or interesting. It might be realistic, but it's not compelling to me I still liked WFM overall, it just felt like the last chunk didn't cohere well. Which again, isn't a unique problem and doesn't ruin it or anything.
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Count Thrashula posted:Thanks for all the feedback! Yeah, most of the criticism I saw was admittedly on Facebook, so that could fully be because of having gay characters. Have you heard of this Char Aznable guy?
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grassy gnoll posted:Have you heard of this Char Aznable guy? 
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"Lalah could have been like a mother to me" was an attempt to explain to Amuro that Char is not interested in women, it just went the same way Char talking about himself usually does, poorly.
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That's legit how I interpreted that when I first watched it (after going 'why did he say that...' a bunch). He was trying to say like "Amuro, it wasn't romantic between me and her, it was like a family thing! I was mad that you killed her but I didn't love her like that, I've really been dedicated to you this whole time!" but hosed up the start and just decided to shut up and face death with as much dignity as he had left
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Amuro's "what" response is the cherry on top whe he realizes just what he's dealing with at that moment.
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ninjewtsu posted:
Thinking by series, and skipping over your example... G has eliminated regular war before the series starts and has Neo-Japan moving to reduce the inequality and environmental damage caused by the Gundam Fight, although we don't know how much progress they've made by the end. X has basically nothing. Turn A had peace between Earth and the Moon, and it's implied to be long lasting. SEED is a UC-style rolling clusterfuck, but the Good Guys are moving towards the levers of power by the end of Destiny to reduce the damage from future clusterfucks. 00 unifies the power blocks, makes peace with aliens, and eventually causes a longer lasting peace, even if there's a big war off screen in the middle. AGE fixes things at the end, with Flit getting a statue for deciding to not genocide all Martians at the last minute. G-Reco is UC descended, so yeah. Nothing is solved. IBO has slavery abolished, Mars is free, and Gjallarhorn is a democracy now. Pretty big political wins. So, yeah. By the numbers, most AUs seem to have some level of success in the political sphere.
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That Works posted:Chuchu knocking a motherfucker out was peak catharsis of the franchise’s misogyny of the past Not just delivering an absolutely brutal OHK, but actually letting Chuchu and the other girl slug it out instead of arbitrarily breaking up the fight before it could get going in earnest.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not just delivering an absolutely brutal OHK, but actually letting Chuchu and the other girl slug it out instead of arbitrarily breaking up the fight before it could get going in earnest. poo poo ruled. Chuchu would have just beat down Beecha or Mondo the first second they started poo poo that put the others at risk. 10/10 one of the best side characters in the whole franchise. Bonus that they let her continue to develop and help in her own best way at the end.
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chiasaur11 posted:So, yeah. By the numbers, most AUs seem to have some level of success in the political sphere. I'd probably give X and G-Reco passing grades. Both of them have settings that were on a somewhat positive trajectory before certain individuals and factions started stirring poo poo, and both of those shows' climaxes involve the permanent removal of pretty much all of the prominent poo poo-stirrers.
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That Works posted:poo poo ruled. Chuchu would have just beat down Beecha or Mondo the first second they started poo poo that put the others at risk. I actually finished ZZ last month and wish someone would slug Beecha and Mondo the whole time. Half the cast needs a good punch at one point or another. On an entirely different point, I also watched CCA and it felt like the plot moved way too fast Or that things happen at a lightning pace. Even given that it’s a movie, is that odd?
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CCA is a movie that kinda sucks the first time you watch it and then gets significantly better with each rewatch
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it's good the first time too!
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muike posted:it's good the first time too!
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ninjewtsu posted:CCA is a movie that kinda sucks the first time you watch it and then gets significantly better with each rewatch
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Kanos posted:I'd probably give X and G-Reco passing grades. Both of them have settings that were on a somewhat positive trajectory before certain individuals and factions started stirring poo poo, and both of those shows' climaxes involve the permanent removal of pretty much all of the prominent poo poo-stirrers. X has the Frosts survive for some reason, and the followup manga confirms they're plenty to cause problems on their own.
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Also Tomino's movies are just kinda like that. It's pretty obvious with both CCA and F91 that they're compromised and truncated versions of what are meant to be longer stories
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Waffleman_ posted:Also Tomino's movies are just kinda like that. It's pretty obvious with both CCA and F91 that they're compromised and truncated versions of what are meant to be longer stories So you'd say they're only the beginning?
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