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Nepal to require all Mount Everest climbers to use a tracking chipquote:By Lilit Marcus, CNN
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Mar 1, 2024 03:21
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that actually seems like a really good idea
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Mar 1, 2024 03:28
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smh I can’t believe that Nepal has gone woke. I’m taking my business to China.
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Mar 1, 2024 03:37
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How many people are going to rip out the chips and leave them at base camp?
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Mar 1, 2024 03:46
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I wonder if this could also be used to catch fraudsters
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Mar 1, 2024 06:41
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Cojawfee posted:How many people are going to rip out the chips and leave them at base camp? I would sew it on someone else's clothes and have them climb in my stead.
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Mar 1, 2024 10:09
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Eeyo posted:In arctic ascent I liked how Alex was saying hey we’ve already got so far, it would be a shame to give up now. And Mikey said that’s never a good reason to keep going. Pretty level-headed. Lol as a former climber Alex's view here is absolutely insane and I wouldn't be shocked if people stop climbing with him
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Mar 1, 2024 11:58
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There's also this youtube film where he talks Magnus Mitbo (a former bouldering superstar turned youtuber) into free soloing with him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyya23MPoAI Super irresponsible stuff tbh
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Mar 1, 2024 12:25
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Yeah I really really don't like that video, it's clear Magnus doesn't want to do it but goes along cause of who Alex is. Made me super uncomfortable watching it. Like I get wanting to push limits but endangering another person because of ego or desire to summit is so irresponsible. I'm honestly not a huge fan of free soloing, like I get your an adult and can make your own decisions but back in 05 my partner and I were first on scene of a fall (poor gear placement) that turned into a body carryout and it was loving traumatic as hell for everyone involved. Guy was alive for a few minutes after we got there but vitals just crashed and there was nothing we could do and we were both certified wilderness emts. It sucked. And that's the reality, your dead and a bunch of people that didn't ask for this end up traumatized from your fall.
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Mar 1, 2024 16:19
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Rojkir posted:There's also this youtube film where he talks Magnus Mitbo (a former bouldering superstar turned youtuber) into free soloing with him: yeah i remember watching this when it dropped and thinking that was super hosed up
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Mar 1, 2024 16:30
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Or they were faking the drama of Magnus being scared to make a more viral video. The guy is an absolute prostitute for clicks.
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Mar 1, 2024 16:44
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gohuskies posted:Or they were faking the drama of Magnus being scared to make a more viral video. The guy is an absolute prostitute for clicks. I agree, but I've seen some related interview footage with Alex that kind of contradicts that. Also I saw the video right when it dropped and there was very little controversy about it the first day. All Magnus fanboys were commenting like you the goat Magnus! Only after some time the poo poo started hitting the fan.
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Mar 1, 2024 18:48
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In order to get your summit counted, you should have to scan your chip at the summit check in station. Also, the check in station is the new summit, you have to stand on top of it for your summit to count. It then prints out a ticket and you have to bring that ticket back down to base camp. If the ticket printer isn't working, sorry, but your summit can not be confirmed.
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Mar 1, 2024 20:03
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Cojawfee posted:In order to get your summit counted, you should have to scan your chip at the summit check in station. Also, the check in station is the new summit, you have to stand on top of it for your summit to count. It then prints out a ticket and you have to bring that ticket back down to base camp. If the ticket printer isn't working, sorry, but your summit can not be confirmed. extra bonus consideration to ensure that the Sherpa manning the Summit check in station doesn't get a summit ticket while on duty, they must summit the mountain on their own time for it to count.
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Mar 1, 2024 20:18
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Also the greenlandian(?) guide in arctic ascent seemed cool. Would totally go on a Greenland expedition with that guy.
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Mar 1, 2024 20:26
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Rojkir posted:There's also this youtube film where he talks Magnus Mitbo (a former bouldering superstar turned youtuber) into free soloing with him: The most disturbing part is still Alex eating a pepper like it's an apple.
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Mar 2, 2024 00:25
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Anne Whateley posted:You might be able to guess I’m working through National Geographic documentaries when I recommend The Mission. I don’t know if it quite fits this thread, but it involves a fairly wealthy young American preparing but not nearly enough for an unwise trip to an exotic locale, getting himself killed immediately, and disrespecting indigenous people. However, it does not have snow or altitude, so ymmv. George H.W. oval office posted:There’s a dude in the film that hung out in the jungle for decades doing missionary work and then out of the blue has a realization what am I doing??? and completely loses his faith. It owns. Thank you for this recommendation. I am just dying at this dude's wasted life. 30 years with the Pinaha (and he says he loving hated living in the jungle) and he finally gets across the concept of Jesus to them and they're like "Well, OK, I guess if you met him then we believe you," and he's like "Oh, I've never met him" and they're like "Oh, you're dad then? Your granddad" and when they realize he's talking about some dude from 2,000 years ago they're like "you are the dumbest motherfucker we have ever met" and then make fun of him until he leaves and quits being Christian altogether.
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Mar 2, 2024 04:14
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Actias posted:The most disturbing part is still Alex eating a pepper like it's an apple. Definitely check out Superhot on Hulu then because you’re in for a treat for some real deal insanity
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Mar 2, 2024 05:27
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Comstar posted:I know this thread is about climbing mountains, does climbing far enough to reach the moon and then crashing on it because the management decided to save some money count: we made a new gbs space thread btw https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=4055473&pagenumber=1&perpage=40
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Mar 2, 2024 05:31
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PostNouveau posted:Thank you for this recommendation. I am just dying at this dude's wasted life. Far be it from me to interrupt a smug atheist slamfest, but is the cutting revelation at work here "I don't believe in things I haven't personally witnessed"?
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Mar 2, 2024 06:06
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McSpanky posted:Far be it from me to interrupt a smug atheist slamfest, but is the cutting revelation at work here "I don't believe in things I haven't personally witnessed"? Mmhmm yep that's what I'm saying, for sure
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Mar 2, 2024 06:16
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McSpanky posted:Far be it from me to interrupt a smug atheist slamfest, but is the cutting revelation at work here "I don't believe in things I haven't personally witnessed"? It’s a really interesting mindset, part of their general lack of focus on the past and the future. Definitely recommend the guy’s memoir, Don’t Sleep, There Are Snakes. While the whole missionary thing didn’t work out so great, I wouldn’t say his life was wasted. He’s done a ton of work on very rare languages, documenting them, developing orthographies, becoming the first outside speaker of Piraha, etc. He’s very famous in linguistics circles, is a college professor, and has an enjoyable feud with Chomsky https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Everett Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Mar 2, 2024 |
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Mar 2, 2024 06:26
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i like nice words
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Anne Whateley posted:Yes, that exact thing is a major feature of Piraha culture. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%E3_people That wasn’t known before the mission because no outsider really spoke the language before he did. which chomsky did he have a feud with?
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Mar 2, 2024 06:35
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Anne Whateley posted:Yes, that exact thing is a major feature of Piraha culture. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%E3_people That wasn’t known before the mission because no outsider really spoke the language before he did. quote:In addition to a formal school being introduced to the culture, the documentary also reported that the Brazilian government installed a modern medical clinic, electricity and television in the remote area. Hmm, I wonder how TV has affected them 🤔
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Mar 2, 2024 07:11
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McSpanky posted:Far be it from me to interrupt a smug atheist slamfest, but is the cutting revelation at work here "I don't believe in things I haven't personally witnessed"? PostNouveau posted:Mmhmm yep that's what I'm saying, for sure Anne Whateley posted:Yes, that exact thing is a major feature of Piraha culture. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirah%E3_people That wasn’t known before the mission because no outsider really spoke the language before he did. absolute banger three-post combo lmao
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Mar 2, 2024 07:53
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McSpanky posted:Far be it from me to interrupt a smug atheist slamfest, but is the cutting revelation at work here "I don't believe in things I haven't personally witnessed"? Is it really that weird to lend more credibility to something someone has personally experienced, and less credibility the more removed that experience is? It's like saying "I met Keanu Reeves and he was a really nice guy" versus "my dad's brother's cousin's former roommate's ex-girlfriend's hairdresser said he met Keanu Reeves and he was a total dick".
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Mar 2, 2024 17:05
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Of course not, that’s why we have the concepts of eyewitness, or gossip, or hearsay. We value it to a degree that it seems obvious, which is why McSpanky was like “no duh.” The difference is we also believe in, say, the Civil War, and Charlemagne. Even oral cultures do this — Maori people know when their ancestors arrived in New Zealand and can even tell you which boat they sailed on…in 1300. African cultures have/had extensive oral history traditions, so do native Americans, the Greeks, you name it. Pirahas aren’t buying that, past like one or two levels of transmission.
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Mar 2, 2024 17:24
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Society of the Snow is a good time and by good time I mean  What an absolutely insane survival story. I had always heard about the Andes crash but didn’t know the details other than the ever so famous cannibalism. There’s so much more!
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Mar 7, 2024 03:41
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George H.W. oval office posted:Society of the Snow is a good time and by good time I mean A mega wild thing that nobody mentions is that the crash site was some 13 miles from an abandoned hot springs resort, which could have provided refuge and safety from avalanches. Though unless you saw it on the way down, how would you even know? It's just wild they had a perfectly usable refuge, so relatively close.
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Mar 7, 2024 06:47
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Zefiel posted:A mega wild thing that nobody mentions is that the crash site was some 13 miles from an abandoned hot springs resort, which could have provided refuge and safety from avalanches. Though unless you saw it on the way down, how would you even know? It's just wild they had a perfectly usable refuge, so relatively close. Yeah there's unfortunately quite a lot of tragic stranded in the wilderness stories like that, where they were near or passed something that could of easily saved them but it was impossible to see or the conditions were right to see it or what not. Particular when there's dense forest/jungle, you could be a few dozen meters away from somewhere and not be able to see anything. Oh this is why if you're hiking it usually good to try and make sure your tent/clothes/pack are brightly coloured and don't blend into your surroundings at all!
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Mar 7, 2024 11:48
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dr_rat posted:Oh this is why if you're hiking it usually good to try and make sure your tent/clothes/pack are brightly coloured and don't blend into your surroundings at all! Yeah but that’s how the slasher gets you.
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Mar 7, 2024 13:18
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Platystemon posted:Yeah but that’s how the slasher gets you. But all I wanted was to smoke a little pot and have some per-marital sex in the woods, what did I ever do to them!!!
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Mar 7, 2024 13:37
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Anne Whateley posted:Of course not, that’s why we have the concepts of eyewitness, or gossip, or hearsay. We value it to a degree that it seems obvious, which is why McSpanky was like “no duh.” I'm always interested if these kinds of cultures have had stuff like this for hundreds of years, or if it's a recent change to their society. Obviously the many oral cultures you mention have unbroken transmission chains for thousands of years, so clearly have related to story and observed experience in broadly similar ways for a very long time. Clearly even consistently valuing the same stories with no interruption-- more constant even than literate societies which may forget some elements and then return via the written record at some remove. These also typically are larger and distributed societies with shared culture and network. But some of the elements seen in small bands, like "no counting beyond 3" or disinterest in past/future, or anything not directly experienced-- these are also the last remnants of cultures that have had vast displacements and difficulties in the past few hundred years. So much has been lost, and the human reaction to that over generations might be wildly different than what it used to be. Could we even have any way to know that the Piraha didn't have a big social debate in 1910, maybe in reaction to a horrific disease event or something, and deliberately decide to drop a thousand year oral tradition?
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Mar 7, 2024 14:20
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jemand posted:Could we even have any way to know that the Piraha didn't have a big social debate in 1910, maybe in reaction to a horrific disease event or something, and deliberately decide to drop a thousand year oral tradition? *Waking up in the filthy orgy pit for the fifth day in a row* "we can't keep living like this"
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Mar 7, 2024 17:38
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jemand posted:Could we even have any way to know that the Piraha didn't have a big social debate in 1910, maybe in reaction to a horrific disease event or something, and deliberately decide to drop a thousand year oral tradition? quote:“On the other hand, even if such trauma were responsible for cultural change, after a certain amount of time we would have to describe the culture in its current state. England’s current state is undoubtedly a result of earlier stages, but it can no longer be described in terms of the code of chivalry. The evidence from records of the Mura and Pirahã for nearly three hundred years since contact was first made in 1714 strongly supports the conclusion that Pirahã culture has changed little since contact with Europeans.” Btw, it’s not that they don’t count past 3, it’s that they don’t count period. They don’t even have a “one, two, many” system like some other cultures do. They also don’t just disbelieve history — they wouldn’t believe in, say, Angkor Wat or lions unless you, a trusted teller, had yourself seen them. But if you did see something, they seem pretty willing to accept that, say, America and skyscrapers exist. Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 20:40 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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Mar 7, 2024 20:34
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Just wild they never developed counting at all. Is there some outwardly obvious concept all of our culturew haven't developed that's holding us back as a species?
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Mar 7, 2024 20:52
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iirc the first solid evidence we have of counting comes after agriculture. it may just be that without a surplus to trade with a nonfamily outgroup, numbers aren't necessary. there's "enough" and "not enough" and thats... enough.
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Mar 7, 2024 21:42
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Cactus Ghost posted:iirc the first solid evidence we have of counting comes after agriculture. it may just be that without a surplus to trade with a nonfamily outgroup, numbers aren't necessary. there's "enough" and "not enough" and thats... enough. That seems hard to believe. Even within a hunter gatherer society phrases like go grab 5 fishing nets or 6 bowls would be pretty useful. People were definitely using fingers and tally marks way before agriculture so it seems like a pretty big leap that they didn't have any verbal way to count. Wikipedia has examples well predating agriculture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...%20years%20ago. Tally sticks date back at least 40000 years. The first written words for numbers seem to come after agriculture but people were definitely counting before that.
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Mar 7, 2024 22:10
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Zefiel posted:perfectly usable refuge, so relatively close. this is how you anger the ghosts though. i saw it on Yellowjackets
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Leviathan Song posted:That seems hard to believe. Even within a hunter gatherer society phrases like go grab 5 fishing nets or 6 bowls would be pretty useful. People were definitely using fingers and tally marks way before agriculture so it seems like a pretty big leap that they didn't have any verbal way to count. Likewise people were doing trade long before agriculture. How do you barter if you don't have basic understanding of numbers? "Yes I would like to have a squirrel fur of flintstones, please"
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