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Fabulousity posted:Sorry, had to add one thing: 
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Mar 1, 2024 22:17
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Arguments done. I do not want to hear a Trump lawyer say "daddy" ever again. Judge says he'll try for an answer within 2 weeks
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Mar 1, 2024 22:17
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Lol two weeks just like I said
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Mar 1, 2024 22:18
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Dapper_Swindler posted:Yeah but thats love though, it always ends in tears in someways, its how you know its real. My wife & I have put 3 dogs and 9 cats in the ground in our 35 years...
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Mar 1, 2024 22:18
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mobby_6kl posted:She also said she'd fire anyone on her team for sleeping with a colleague but now it's cool and good like where are you getting that quote:I will certainly not be choosing to date people that work under me. I don't think she said "I'd fire anyone on my team for loving a coworker" because oh boy, you'd have like 0 people in any DA office then lawyers gently caress a lot, is what I'm getting at TheAgent fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Mar 1, 2024 22:18
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Youth Decay posted:What does this have to do with anything A similar situation is appearing with a defense witness, whose original testimony confidently asserted that Wade/Willis had a relationship in 2019, but who refused to say so on the stand. The dismissal of phone tower data is another area where the state is doing a 180 now that they are the subject of investigation - when the state is bringing charges, tower data is highly reliable and damning to defense's alibis. As the subject of scrutiny, the state is now arguing that tower data is vague, unreliable, and proves nothing. Honestly we should probably be bringing these cases against the state all the time, constantly stress-testing the state's arguments about the value of various kinds of evidence for defense to use later.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:25
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Serious_Cyclone posted:A similar situation is appearing with a defense witness, whose original testimony confidently asserted that Wade/Willis had a relationship in 2019, but who refused to say so on the stand. No but you see, the DA is going after someone we hate this time, so we should reflexively attack and ignore the many, many ways DAs across the country abuse their power. I wish her all luck in prosecuting the orange clown, but it doesn't mean that she's a good person, or that she hasn't used the massive "straight to jail" power Georgia's RICO statute offers to screw over a lot of people.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:30
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Serious_Cyclone posted:Honestly we should probably be bringing these cases against the state all the time, constantly stress-testing the state's arguments about the value of various kinds of evidence for defense to use later. How did these terrible lawyers pull a reverse uno card and put the D.A. on the stand anyway? There is no way that this is a normal thing.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:31
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Fabulousity posted:Sorry, had to add one thing: I remember Iwo Trumba. o7
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Mar 1, 2024 22:32
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Fani Willis chose to testify
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Mar 1, 2024 22:32
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:No but you see, the DA is going after someone we hate this time, so we should reflexively attack and ignore the many, many ways DAs across the country abuse their power.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:33
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If neither of them get removed it's just going to be defense lawyers endlessly bringing up this poo poo in the actual trial, all it takes is one juror thinking the prosecution is corrupt. It doesn't matter if it gets stricken in objections the jury will still hear it over and over.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:33
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big nipples big life posted:If neither of them get removed it's just going to be defense lawyers endlessly bringing up this poo poo in the actual trial, all it takes is one juror thinking the prosecution is corrupt. It doesn't matter if it gets stricken in objections the jury will still hear it over and over. people itt love speculating that random chuds will ruin juries but so far Trump is 0 for 2
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Mar 1, 2024 22:34
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big nipples big life posted:If neither of them get removed it's just going to be defense lawyers endlessly bringing up this poo poo in the actual trial, all it takes is one juror thinking the prosecution is corrupt. It doesn't matter if it gets stricken in objections the jury will still hear it over and over.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:35
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Serious_Cyclone posted:A similar situation is appearing with a defense witness, whose original testimony confidently asserted that Wade/Willis had a relationship in 2019, but who refused to say so on the stand. I'm not a lawyer but are non-sworn text messages to attorneys 'testimony'? Also I'd like to know how the tower data is damning to the alibis? What exactly does it prove?
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Mar 1, 2024 22:36
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:No but you see, the DA is going after someone we hate this time, so we should reflexively attack and ignore the many, many ways DAs across the country abuse their power. Yeah this thread is all-in on defending the cops as heroes, for this case specifically. It's weird. I anticipate the judge will rule in favor of Wade/Willis, since the defense did a terrible job of actually proving anything. Which is probably the correct outcome - for me, the whole thing is moot if you can demonstrably show that Wade stands to make more money in private practice than he does as a member of Willis's team. Any issue about intent falls apart in that case. But the defense has inadvertently created a treasure trove of statements from the state arguing against tools they have used to bullshit juries for years, and I suspect that statements made in this case will show up, over and over again, in defense arguments when state prosecutors try to go back to business as usual.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:36
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Bone Crimes posted:Also I'd like to know how the tower data is damning to the alibis? What exactly does it prove? As a prosecutor, the state likes to pretend that tower data works like a procedural cop show and pinpoints the exact place and time that a subject of scrutiny was present. As a subject of scrutiny, the state is now arguing that tower data does no such thing.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:38
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oh cool another "you want to kiss and hug cops" derail.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:38
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I want them to do a documentary one day about every time Trump manages to wriggle out of something an ordinary person would be nailed to the wall for. The guy sucks for sure but man is he a master at avoiding consequences.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:38
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TheAgent posted:And this is basically the entire defense's argument. That even if nothing happened, their unproven accusations mean that its been tainted anyway. But something did happen, that isn't in question. The only question is when it started and was any shady money poo poo going on and neither side has any actual evidence proving or disproving anything on both of those.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:39
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As a (hopefully) ordinary person, I am just glad I don't have to wriggle my way out of 91 criminal charges and various multi-million dollar fines.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:40
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NoiseAnnoys posted:oh cool another "you want to kiss and hug cops" derail. Phone call for Amanda Hugandkiss. Is there Amanda Hugandkiss here?
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Mar 1, 2024 22:42
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Serious_Cyclone posted:A similar situation is appearing with a defense witness, whose original testimony confidently asserted that Wade/Willis had a relationship in 2019, but who refused to say so on the stand. No but Syed is for sure innocent because that nice Podcast lady convinced me that cell data is very unreliable
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Mar 1, 2024 22:42
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NoiseAnnoys posted:oh cool another "you want to kiss and hug cops" derail. There will be no serious consequences for the prosecution in this case, and simultaneously the state had to give up statements on the value of evidence that will be useful for defendants trying to protect themselves from an out of control carceral system of justice. How is that not a win-win?
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Mar 1, 2024 22:43
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It's possible to enjoy the irony of a DA's office arguing for exclusion of dubious evidence, and still think Team Trump has nothing here and the trial should go forward. Usually it's the DA arguing for inclusion of dubious evidence.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:43
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gently caress cops but i also want those cops to gently caress trump and I don't want them to gently caress it up. simple as
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Mar 1, 2024 22:44
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NoiseAnnoys posted:but upthread people assured me that it's dumb to vote!? bad example considering who ron's opponent was... lol
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Mar 1, 2024 22:45
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big nipples big life posted:gently caress cops but i also want those cops to gently caress trump and I don't want them to gently caress it up. simple as 
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Mar 1, 2024 22:46
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Nvm
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Mar 1, 2024 22:46
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Serious_Cyclone posted:There will be no serious consequences for the prosecution in this case, and simultaneously the state had to give up statements on the value of evidence that will be useful for defendants trying to protect themselves from an out of control carceral system of justice. Because it doesn't work the way you're saying. Even if a DA says "Cell phone tower information is not viable in this situation" it doesn't stop them from bringing it forth in another situations where the facts are different. This doesn't even have to be Pure Evil Corruption either, it's entirely possible for something to be a viable tool but not in all circumstances. Trying to paint this as "And the dumb cops totally torpedoed their own statements, LOL" is silly because things don't work that way.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:47
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I was watching the zoom stream and the state lawyer was loving around with his powerpoint during that, which you can't see in the twitter video. It wasn't necessarily as bad as it looks. That said, the state lawyer was very obviously nervous and it wasn't a great look. kazil fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Mar 1, 2024 |
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Mar 1, 2024 22:49
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everyone please start all posts in the following formatquote:Disclaimer: ACAB ACAB ACAB thank you
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Mar 1, 2024 22:49
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ImpAtom posted:Because it doesn't work the way you're saying. Even if a DA says "Cell phone tower information is not viable in this situation" it doesn't stop them from bringing it forth in another situations where the facts are different. This doesn't even have to be Pure Evil Corruption either, it's entirely possible for something to be a viable tool but not in all circumstances. The state can bring it forth, and the defense can bring forth prior statements from the state in this case where they dismissed the evidence as valueless. If there's a difference in context in the way the evidence is being applied that affects its value, it's a legitimate issue to hash out in the courtroom. Some people are already referring to it as a "Fani motion" (lol): https://bsky.app/profile/nobodyinteresting.bsky.social/post/3kmltjfwmkd2q
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Mar 1, 2024 22:51
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Dogs have very elastic genes, we just need to breed the oldest dogs selectively and we should get some 50 year old dogs in 25 years or so I support IVF so that some day I can legally vote for a himan/dog chimera.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:51
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When it came out that Willis underpaid Wade, I'm not sure why this farce continued? The allegation is that she gave kickbacks to her sexual partner. (What a phrase) This clearly isn't true. How often they presumably spent time together outside of work is pretty immaterial.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:52
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Serious_Cyclone posted:The state can bring it forth, and the defense can bring forth prior statements from the state in this case where they dismissed the evidence as valueless. If there's a difference in context in the way the evidence is being applied that affects its value, it's a legitimate issue to hash out in the courtroom. Some people being a random bluesky post isn't particularly compelling, no. If this suddenly turns around and becomes a real thing then I'll eat hat, but as it stands I'm pretty sure my head'll stay warm.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:52
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Esplanade posted:I support IVF so that some day I can legally vote for a himan/dog chimera. Hymen-dog-chimera you say? I'm gonna need someone to help me visualize this before I can commit to an opinion.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:53
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ImpAtom posted:Some people being a random bluesky post isn't particularly compelling, no. I'm like 90% certain that's the same guy that said Merchant was a super good lawyer at digging up dirt fwiw
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Mar 1, 2024 22:53
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ImpAtom posted:Some people being a random bluesky post isn't particularly compelling, no. I'm sorry, I didn't make it clear that I'm uninterested in trying to convince you, personally, of anything in particular.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:54
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big nipples big life posted:But something did happen, that isn't in question. The only question is when it started and was any shady money poo poo going on and neither side has any actual evidence proving or disproving anything on both of those. Also you can't disprove you aren't a criminal. The proof must exist from the accuser and their evidence. In this case, the defense has: 1 witness that was fired from the DA's office and stated that Willis on 4 seperate occasions confirmed that Wade and Willis were dating 1 witness with sexual misconduct allegations, who "speculated" on Wade and Willis' relationship and was a disaster for the defense -- note that the defense argued successfully that Bradley couldn't use attourney-client priveledge about certain facts and called him back to the stand, but didn't get the answers they were hoping for Texts, calls and cell phone useage data that puts Wade in the proximity of Willis' condo. Wade admitted to being over there "a few times" or around ten times. The State didn't contest the 2 times the cell tower pinged him late night/early morning around that area Unknown cash transactions, which Willis claims to have had in her house as her father taught her to do. The defense is arguing this is obviously improper use of tax payer funds through her "kickback" trips with Wade, even though the winery in CA has her paying $400 in cash to back up her statements (the CA winery stuff isn't in evidence, but confirms what Willis was saying) To reiterate, most of the evidence here (and why Merchant filed the DQ in the first place), comes from non-sworn statements via text from Bradley to Merchant herself, including a "Looks good" about the brief before it was filed.
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Mar 1, 2024 22:55
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