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I think it comes down to the fact that they had a patreon, and also are emulating a current system. Has Nintendo ever gone after Cemu or Dolphin? Maybe it wasn't as big of a priority since the Wii and WiiU are such unique systems that you're getting a watered down experience if you emulate, and the switch is pretty much a bog standard console for most games. I think it mostly comes down to the fact that the Yuzu people were taking money for it. Nintendo seems to look the other way up until the point that someone receives money when it should have gone to Nintendo. There are all those homebrew websites that tell you exactly how to hack every Nintendo system, but they don't take in any money for it, so Nintendo looks the other way. Team Xecuter made money off Switch mod chips and the guy went to jail.
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Cyrano4747 posted:That's a major upside, Nintendo's argument was basically that emulation in any form is illegal. Technically precedent has already been set with Sony vs. Bleem.
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Cojawfee posted:I think it comes down to the fact that they had a patreon, and also are emulating a current system. Has Nintendo ever gone after Cemu or Dolphin? Maybe it wasn't as big of a priority since the Wii and WiiU are such unique systems that you're getting a watered down experience if you emulate, and the switch is pretty much a bog standard console for most games. I think it mostly comes down to the fact that the Yuzu people were taking money for it. Nintendo seems to look the other way up until the point that someone receives money when it should have gone to Nintendo. There are all those homebrew websites that tell you exactly how to hack every Nintendo system, but they don't take in any money for it, so Nintendo looks the other way. Team Xecuter made money off Switch mod chips and the guy went to jail. Nintendo very much does not look the other way if you're not taking money. See the way they nuked the fan-made Pokemon: Uranium. Their stance is that you are only buying a license to play THAT copy of the game on specifically their hardware. Emphasis on "that" because they also hold that rom dumping for archival purposes is infringement as well. From the Nintendo legal FAQ: quote:But cant I make a backup copy if I own the video game?
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Cyrano4747 posted:That's a major upside, Nintendo's argument was basically that emulation in any form is illegal. This has always been their stance, but they tend to save the actual lawsuits for the people making money off it. They blocked Dolphin from being on Steam but they've never gone after them otherwise. Neither have they gone after Cemu or any of the other older emulators even before Bleem.
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Nintendo could have avoided all this by not coasting on 2015 android phone hardware.
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Detective No. 27 posted:It sucks rear end. I guess the silver lining is that it didn’t give Nintendo a chance to set any legal precedent against emulation as a whole. Yuzu was keeping nightly builds locked behind a patreon subscription and those builds could have fixes for unreleased games among other stuff where they supposedly had poor opsec and may have been seen in discord chat by Nintendo lawyers showing people how to go and find prod keys.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Nintendo very much does not look the other way if you're not taking money. See the way they nuked the fan-made Pokemon: Uranium. That's a fan game, not an emulator. And it is directly using their IP. Emulators are usually careful that they do not include any cryptographic keys or BIOS files or anything that is explicitly owned by Nintendo. Emulators also try to be on the right side of the law as possible by saying you need to extract the BIOS files from your own console and only play your own legally created game backups. Yuzu probably would have been fine if they didn't have that patreon. I think that emulator that was trying to get on steam was taken down because they were including cryptographic keys. Though trying to put an emulator on steam is just asking for a bunch of idiots to flood the discussion boards with "HOW DO I PIRATE GAMES" posts that is just going to get Valve in trouble.
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Cojawfee posted:That's a fan game, not an emulator. And it is directly using their IP. Emulators are usually careful that they do not include any cryptographic keys or BIOS files or anything that is explicitly owned by Nintendo. Emulators also try to be on the right side of the law as possible by saying you need to extract the BIOS files from your own console and only play your own legally created game backups. Yuzu probably would have been fine if they didn't have that patreon. I mean, OK, but look at the part I quoted from their legal faq where they flat out say that making a backup of your game is illegal. "Video games are comprised of numerous types of copyrighted works and should not be categorized as software only. Therefore, provisions that pertain to backup copies would not apply to copyrighted video game works" Their stance is that doing anything but playing the single copy you purchased on hardware you purchased from them is illegal. Not against the terms that you clicked through, illegal.
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MagusDraco posted:Yuzu was keeping nightly builds locked behind a patreon subscription and those builds could have fixes for unreleased games among other stuff where they supposedly had poor opsec and may have been seen in discord chat by Nintendo lawyers showing people how to go and find prod keys. fwiw i was paying attention when totk released and the patreon builds were a) still developed in public so people made their own builds b) not kept back all that long and c) did not have fixes for unreleased games (this was also true with XC3)
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MarcusSA posted:Man disabling the dynamic rez on FF7r really helps How do you disable it? I'm assuming that's whats making the image look soft
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Looks like Citra (3DS emulator) is going down too. I'm not sure what was their relation with the Yuzu devs.
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BoldFace posted:Looks like Citra (3DS emulator) is going down too. I'm not sure what was their relation with the Yuzu devs. THAT is some fuckin bullshit too what the gently caress
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Cyrano4747 posted:I mean, OK, but look at the part I quoted from their legal faq where they flat out say that making a backup of your game is illegal. "Video games are comprised of numerous types of copyrighted works and should not be categorized as software only. Therefore, provisions that pertain to backup copies would not apply to copyrighted video game works" Yeah, Nintendo says that because they don't want people doing anything other than playing Nintendo games on Nintendo consoles. And if their statement were the full truth, I'm sure they would have used that to remove all of their games from the internet archive by now, but I'm pretty sure they lost that fight. So I think the "video games are not software" argument is mostly their legal opinion that they state as fact on their own website. I'm not saying that Nintendo is fully onboard with legal emulation, when they are clearly against it (even though they use the fruits of "illegal" emulation to do their own emulation). I'm just saying that Nintendo doesn't have the time to go after everyone. If you make an emulator that doesn't explicitly distribute data they own, and doesn't distribute their games, they are willing to mostly ignore it. The vast majority of their market is not using Dolphin or Cemu or Yuzu. But the second a dollar goes into someone else's hand that could have gone to Nintendo, they bring out the lawyers.
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Shadski posted:How do you disable it? I'm assuming that's whats making the image look soft in theory you should be able to set the frame limit to 90 or 120fps in game, as those settings are supposed to disable the dynamic resolution in practice what i did was just put this mod's pak into the right spot https://www.nexusmods.com/finalfantasy7remake/mods/22
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BoldFace posted:Looks like Citra (3DS emulator) is going down too. I'm not sure what was their relation with the Yuzu devs. Wow... just wow...
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BoldFace posted:Looks like Citra (3DS emulator) is going down too. I'm not sure what was their relation with the Yuzu devs. Apparently a big contributor to Yuzu is also a big contributor to Citra? https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/4/24090482/bunnei-confirms-yuzu-is-shutting-down-and-itll-hit-nintendo-3ds-emulator-citra-too
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Yuzu is open source, right? What's to stop someone from anonymously forking it (and not leaving a Patreon money trail)?
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Quixzlizx posted:Yuzu is open source, right? What's to stop someone from anonymously forking it (and not leaving a Patreon money trail)? Nintendo is more powerful than any open source
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Detective No. 27 posted:Nintendo could have avoided all this by not coasting on 2015 android phone hardware. Its the only good console this gen
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BoldFace posted:Looks like Citra (3DS emulator) is going down too. I'm not sure what was their relation with the Yuzu devs. It was managed by the same group and theyre turning everything to Nintendo
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Quantum of Phallus posted:It’s the only good console this gen And we most likely don't have steam decks without it.
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parasyte posted:in theory you should be able to set the frame limit to 90 or 120fps in game, as those settings are supposed to disable the dynamic resolution Yeah this is what I did. It runs a a pretty stable 40fps with textures high and shadows low. Looks so much better as well. Its very simple but if you need a guide this guy explains it very well https://youtu.be/N4lj2TabOKI?si=HSvN_zyqCU-hDAGx
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Detective No. 27 posted:It sucks rear end. I guess the silver lining is that it didnt give Nintendo a chance to set any legal precedent against emulation as a whole. According to this guy, Yuzu were literally swapping pirated roms between themselves on Discord and were referencing the actual Switch SDK. https://twitter.com/0JMachine/status/1764707969092985085 No idea as to how accurate that is, though, but if true that is absolutely violating any sort of clean-room protections while writing the emulator. If that came up in discovery they would probably be hosed, lol.
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Quixzlizx posted:Yuzu is open source, right? What's to stop someone from anonymously forking it (and not leaving a Patreon money trail)? Nothing, it's going to happen after the dust settles a bit. The actual individuals involved in the settlement need to be extra careful, but there will absolutely be a new yuzu-based emulator popping up before long.
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Simply don't lock anything about an emulator behind paying. Seems a pretty simple concept. A little worried for EmuDeck, they locked their PC version behind a paywall on patreon and it included Yuzu 
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Apparently Nintendo is asking the judge to include language in the final ruling essentially destroying the modern concept of emulation, as they see any software capable of using decryption keys as inherently piracy related.Nintendo posted:Developing or distributing software, including Yuzu, that in its ordinary course functions only when cryptographic keys are integrated without authorization, violates the Digital Millennium Copyright Act’s prohibition on trafficking in devices that circumvent effective technological measures, because the software is primarily designed for the purpose of circumventing technological measures. If included, that judgement could then be considered in future emulation related trials. Not technically a "precedent", but the next best thing.
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When did they do that?
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Downloads of the final version of Yuzu/Citra will become priceless in the coming age
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John Wick of Dogs posted:When did they do that? Apparently it's part of the deal they struck with the Yuzu devs, who have also signed onto that statement. It's referenced in this article by The Verge, which also includes the proposed settlement terms at the end.
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jokes posted:Simply don't lock anything about an emulator behind paying. Seems a pretty simple concept. EmuDeck is just a set of tools to download emulators, they're not actually developing emulation tools themselves(they did just remove Yuzu and Citra from their packs though)
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Annath posted:Apparently Nintendo is asking the judge to include language in the final ruling essentially destroying the modern concept of emulation, as they see any software capable of using decryption keys as inherently piracy related. There's no real reason that an XCI dumper couldn't generate decrypted dumps and emulators just, use those. GodMode9 can already do this with CCIs. I mean, yes, there's devils in the details here, but if this is the thing that's hanging up modern emulation then let's move beyond that. As long as the original hardware is used to produce dumps in the first place, then dumps could be made that no longer contain DRM.
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So I'm guessing I jumped on the Yuzu bandwagon at just the right time. Which is a shame, because I actually did want to use it for playing my actual switch games without carrying around both systems.
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Annath posted:Apparently Nintendo is asking the judge to include language in the final ruling essentially destroying the modern concept of emulation, as they see any software capable of using decryption keys as inherently piracy related. I'm not sure if it's possible at the moment, but the EFF/similar will have to challenge them on court about that bullshit sooner than later. You give those corps a hand and they will grab the whole bloody arm, the fuckers.
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I was sitting on a modchip for my switch until the console was dead and I could do whatever I wanted with it but Nintendo waving their big legal dick around over some of the tools that existed on github last year prompted me to install it before all those resources potentially got nuked. Hopefully a settlement here means they just go back to leaving everything else alone rather than deciding now is the time to really clean house. gently caress you Nintendo (but also you do make the only console truly 100% worth actually buying since you have actual exclusives).
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Nalin posted:According to this guy, Yuzu were literally swapping pirated roms between themselves on Discord and were referencing the actual Switch SDK. clean room isn't necessary, connectix repeatedly made copies of the playstation BIOS and used that to write their compatible replacement in Virtual Game Station, and they won on that count using pirated copies of the sdk is uh, a step farther and not covered by existing case law. passing copies of roms around engineers is maybe suspect but i don't think that far out of fair use protection as far as yuzu, though it could open up the developers to their own liability for that infringement
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Quantum of Phallus posted:just buy the games lol I do, which is why I was waiting until the console was dead for a potential future where switch 2 isnt BC and eventually the games arent readily available at retail so I could still play whatever if I wanted. The only thing Ive actually played since I installed it was TOTK and I bought that with one of those 2 game eshop voucher things, one half of which I still havent spent and might even have expired by now if thats a thing they can do lol
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This is especially annoying though, Nintendo for years has claimed their aggressive stance on their IP's was a result of the shovelware gaming crash of the 1980's. And for better or worse, they protected their IP for years and were incredibly selective with the games they allowed on their systems. Now, boot up the Nintendo store and tell me 90% of those games aren't the definition of "shovelware". It's horseshit (and I don't particularly care about emulating Switch, I still buy all of the games I like from Nintendo and even subscribe to their lovely emulator service despite not touching it since I got my OLEDeck.
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