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forkboy84 posted:I don't know about extremely dumb. It's entirely relatable. Like yeah, it's entirely true that this country is loving ruined & has been completely ransacked over the last 17/18 years in particular (though honestly the rot started in '79 & more people need to be willing to say that) to the point where the connection between the health of "the economy"™ & 99.5% of people's actual lives has been completely severed. But there's people who do get by on under £20k a year, with families. Doing 35 hours a week on national minimum wage gets you about £19k a year. So if you're earning that, while raising a kid & your partner works part-time while school is on because you can't afford childcare, so 6 hours a day or at weekends? I think you can see why someone wouldn't exactly waste a tear on someone earning 3 times that. Meanwhile an adult living alone without kids on the dole is expected to get by on £9,119.76 a year. People, barely, manage this. Not really sure how, but they do, they have to. And then Scott from Leicestershire is in the top 10% of earners & is claiming he pays too much tax. Cry me a loving river. Lillian from County Durham acknowledges we need public spending but oh, it can't come from those earning £70k a year! Fucksake man, (it's annoyingly hard to find historical income tax bands) in 1973 the highest band was 75% of earnings over £20k, with the basic rate being 30% on earnings below £5k. Which according to the BoE's inflation calculator works out at £50k & £200k respectively. By comparison the top rate for now is 45% on earnings over £125k. People earning £50k+ to £124,999 are paying 45% on those earnings over £50k. And yet aside from a few rock bands pissing off to tax havens in the Harold Wilson years, people survived these outrageous tax rates! based on most statistics these people likely voted labour in 2019 but go off I guess
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Mar 5, 2024 16:12
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But of my English family it's my uncle who earns the most who's the die hard socialist and my aunt who has the least who's the raving Tory, although Boris did seem to finally break that unshakeable faith in them.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:13
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Tesseraction posted:The goal of a decent society is for everyone to be able to afford nice things, not for us all to be sitting in the mud. These people didn't cause the economy to be poo poo, they merely have higher wellies.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:14
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Remember hearing him talk to mum on the phone like a year ago ranting about how a family in-law was a "capitalist pig" and hooting to myself
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Mar 5, 2024 16:15
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Pablo Bluth posted:However statistical they probably provided for the economy to be poo poo by voting for the Tories. As Bozza said these people probably voted for Jampa. In fact several people in that article would have first voted in 2010, and likely not for the Tories.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:18
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The 70k guy should probably cut back his expenses a bit though. Like maybe have a worse car and a shopping budget for a starter. I managed to save aggressively enough on a sub 25k salary that I could put down 20% on a lovely house in a lovely area after a few years (not having a dependent spouse and kids did help mind you, as did living in a literal slum with very low rent), but you can probably make it work if you are willing to live more basically. I'm sure there's a suitable dril meme for these financially embarrassed professionals.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:25
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Now I'm imagining he really is the candles guy.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:25
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Mega Comrade posted:I think the posts of "if I was on £70k" are forgetting he's the soul breadwinner of a family of 4. To be honest that is my main problem with the article. There's several valid issues due to recent government policy/inaction that affect everyday people of all incomes, potentially including that first family:
However the article skips past most of that. The writer obviously started with a premise that tax rates are too high and worked backwards finding examples to justify simplistic (and possibly vote-winning) tax cuts. I'm sure they could have found someone earning £74k who was still stuck renting unable to save up a house deposit, or a higher-earning single parent unable to both work & access child benefit. But instead their opening example is this because the goal of the article isn't to highlight any of the root causes of problems in the country or make people's lives better, it's to divert attention away from policies that might.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:26
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I'm not going to go for the bat for the guy crying about being on £75k but you'd think the fact people like that are starting to feel the squeeze would be more concerning to those in power. If you're losing the comfortable professionals then who is even left to support the interparty Tory consensus apart from landlords and pensioners? UK wages are just absurdly low overall. Every now and then I wonder how it would look to move back home, and for me it would entail something like a 40-50% drop in salary, while the cost of living somewhere I'd actually find work is only about 10-15% lower (rent and transport likely cost more, food, household stuff and services cost less, utilities probably comparable). And I'd end up paying more tax, with much worse public services and working conditions. We're like a decade from the Poles complaining about all those damned Brits coming over there, taking their jobs, opening their weird fish and chip shops, and not even learning the language.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:31
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keep punching joe posted:The 70k guy should probably cut back his expenses a bit though. Like maybe have a worse car and a shopping budget for a starter. I managed to save aggressively enough on a sub 25k salary that I could put down 20% on a lovely house in a lovely area after a few years (not having a dependent spouse and kids did help mind you , as did living in a literal slum with very low rent), but you can probably make it work if you are willing to live more basically. Okay, so this is something that has come up twice now from people talking about the Guardian Article. Saying "just downsize your car or get a cheap second hand car" is a justifiable position, when you are just a singleton who looks after yourself and maybe a pet. When you have kids, literally everything terrifies you on some level that it will in some way kill your kids. That sliced chicken that is one day past it's best before date? I'll be fine to eat that. But give it to your kid? Hell no, they could get sick. This also applies to cars. When you have kids, you want a safe car. That means you are reluctant to get a car that's too cheap, for fear it's a death trap. Then you have to look at a larger car that can hold you kids. And you want a car that is safer for the kids to be in. It's one of the reasons there are so many SUV's out there. Just saying "just downsize in cars" isn't necessary helpful as you are probably comparing your personal situation to his. Much like what the elderly are doing when they say stuff like "just save and get a house. That's what I did in the 70's! Why can't you?"
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Mar 5, 2024 16:35
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You don't a loving SUV if you have kids. I have kids and I don't have a loving SUV and I am far more car dependant than most people aside from americans in this thread. My newest car is from 2007. It loving works. And the safety poo poo bugs me too, we run the cars we can afford even if we have kids. Ban SUVs instead and make large cars too expensive for most to own, that'd be safer for all the people not affording new SUVs and who don't want to participate in this loving arms race of cars. loving new cars. Your SUV makes my family less safe. You should go. Not I. His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Mar 5, 2024 16:37
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That said, the woman I see driving her kids to school in a Tesla has God to answer to.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:37
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big scary monsters posted:I'm not going to go for the bat for the guy crying about being on £75k but you'd think the fact people like that are starting to feel the squeeze would be more concerning to those in power. If you're losing the comfortable professionals then who is even left to support the interparty Tory consensus apart from landlords and pensioners? This is exactly where we're at. There is a reason so much is being done around childcare. It's because the last remnants of the Tory vote under 50 are struggling and that is a major cost for that demographic. The age crossover for likelihood of Labour vs Tory voting is now 68 (!!! and also lol). https://twitter.com/tom_sasse/status/1762970707284103369 Edit: Can I add as well how openly sexist our system still is. The reason 75k bloke's wife doesn't work is likely because there is simply no point. She can't out earn the childcare costs. She'll have to go back to work later but the decision to have kids will likely hugely impact her career. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Mar 5, 2024 |
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Mar 5, 2024 16:37
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big scary monsters posted:I'm not going to go for the bat for the guy crying about being on £75k but you'd think the fact people like that are starting to feel the squeeze would be more concerning to those in power. If you're losing the comfortable professionals then who is even left to support the interparty Tory consensus apart from landlords and pensioners? I dunno 75k is pretty decent tbh. Someone moaning about it not being enough is someone who had to cut back from 4 nights out to 3 nights out a week.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:39
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The Question IRL posted:When you have kids, literally everything terrifies you on some level that it will in some way kill your kids. Maybe my parenting was different because we ate meat that my dad bought in the pub and the kids rolled around in the boot of the estate car along with the dogs.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:41
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on one hand, i would like 75 grand otoh, everything in this country is insanely hollowed out and gutted, it's loving shite living here even if you're doing alright.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:44
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His Divine Shadow posted:You don't a loving SUV if you have kids. I have kids and I don't have a loving SUV and I am far more car dependant than most people aside from americans in this thread. My newest car is from 2007. It loving works. Zalakwe posted:The age crossover for likelihood of Labour vs Tory voting is now 68 (!!! and also lol). keep punching joe posted:Maybe my parenting was different because we ate meat that my dad bought in the pub and the kids rolled around in the boot of the estate car along with the dogs. It was fun but very much in a "we drank from the hose and ate lead paint and wore asbestos underpants that we cleaned by throwing them on the coal fire and we survived" facebook meme way.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:45
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Found another article with rich people moaning about their lot in life https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/money/saving-and-banking/new-pip-system-scrapping-iht-budget-help-2927353 quote:Jessica also owns two buy-to-let properties. One is in Southampton and the other is in Durham. Jessica would like to see significant changes to how landlords are taxed. 
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Mar 5, 2024 16:46
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big scary monsters posted:We're like a decade from the Poles complaining about all those damned Brits coming over there, taking their jobs, opening their weird fish and chip shops, and not even learning the language. Brits won't be given visas to do that
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Mar 5, 2024 16:47
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this person I have no sympathy for and they suck
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Mar 5, 2024 16:47
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i often joke that we are hungary with nukes but hungary actually gets the benefit of EU subsidies while doing as much racist poo poo as possible lol
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Mar 5, 2024 16:49
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keep punching joe posted:Found another article with rich people moaning about their lot in life Beaten at stupid lovely journalism by the stupid lovely journos.
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Mar 5, 2024 16:51
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His Divine Shadow posted:Hard to summon sympathy though, where I hang out I get exposed to a lot of the swedish suburban middle class person and I deeply loathe them and their well off (and wasteful) lives. It's people complaining "I don't have much to spare after necessities and luxuries," when there's people with more of an "I can't afford necessities, let alone luxuries" vibe out there. I'm a big believer that socialism shouldn't mean people can't have nice things, but as Guava pointed out some people have a very warped definition of what 'nice things' are. It's particularly galling when it's MPs and middle managers complaining about their £80k salary when there are people treading water working under them on £20-30k. Like if you can't afford poo poo, how the hell do you think your employees are dealing with everything? And then of course there's this tweet: 
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Mar 5, 2024 17:04
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Obvious solution here is don't have babies. Or you'll just get shitted on figuratively while getting shitted on literally
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Mar 5, 2024 17:05
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big scary monsters posted:We're like a decade from the Poles complaining about all those damned Brits coming over there, taking their jobs, opening their weird fish and chip shops, and not even learning the language. As if any Brits actually know how to run a decent chip shop, the best two local to me are Chinese- and Portuguese-operated.
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Mar 5, 2024 17:47
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Bozza posted:based on most statistics these people likely voted labour in 2019 but go off I guess I realise that people under 40 were more likely to vote Labour than anyone else, but if you're telling me that outweighs economic factors, I would be sceptical until I actually saw some data.
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Mar 5, 2024 17:54
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Portuguese Jews invented fish and chips, and it's only because Spain and Portugal decided to be antisemites that it ended up as fast food in London.
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Mar 5, 2024 17:55
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mustard was brought by the romans from africa
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Mar 5, 2024 17:57
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:mustard was brought by the romans from africa BRING BACK TRADITIONAL BRITTISH FOOD (it's just nettles)
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Mar 5, 2024 18:00
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Mega Comrade posted:I think the posts of "if I was on £70k" are forgetting he's the soul breadwinner of a family of 4. That is the point where you are supposed to start looking for a second working parent for the family. Two parents go to work, one looks after the kids.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:02
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sebzilla posted:BRING BACK TRADITIONAL BRITTISH FOOD Mushroom ketchup is good on pies though. 
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Mar 5, 2024 18:06
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forkboy84 posted:I realise that people under 40 were more likely to vote Labour than anyone else, but if you're telling me that outweighs economic factors, I would be sceptical until I actually saw some data. sure, here you go: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/26925-how-britain-voted-2019-general-election https://www.jrf.org.uk/political-mindsets/low-income-voters-the-2019-general-election-and-the-future-of-british-politics massive Tory victory in 2019 was down to low income, pro Brexit voters shifting hugely Tory. highly educated and even AB1 social classes broke overall better for Labour however when you drill down into it even more those "lower social classes" are hugely influenced by retirees not plumbers https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1392077436821573636.html while statistically yes income does factor into it (though only really breaks hard you'll not after £150k+), a young highly educated voter living in a major town or city is vastly more likely to vote labour all other factors considered young in this case meaning someone under 45 in 2019
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Mar 5, 2024 18:12
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Well that's bollocksed my prejudices. How unfair 
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Mar 5, 2024 18:19
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Gotta remember that Engels was loving loaded and Marx mooched off of him til his dying day. Being rich doesn't make you an evil oval office, being evil and a oval office does.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:33
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smellmycheese posted:I regret to inform you that Mustard has gone woke Someone should tell the chap that your tastebuds lose sensitivity with age. Things didn't actually all taste better when you were a kid, your body just worked better when you were a kid.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:34
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keep punching joe posted:Found another article with rich people moaning about their lot in life To be fair I would also like to see this.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:34
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Yeah, they should be taxed in the 90s high school sense. Punch them and steal their poo poo.feedmegin posted:Someone should tell the chap that your tastebuds lose sensitivity with age. Things didn't actually all taste better when you were a kid, your body just worked better when you were a kid.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:36
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Been a few articles and tweets over the last couple of days about the prospect of a May 2nd general election (same time as the Locals). Sunak would have to announce this at the end of the month, possibly the 22nd or the 25th, to dissolve Parliament in time. Normal convention would say that the ruling party destined to be obliterated at the polls should hold onto power for as long as possible. However, the argument against this convention is: * The polls are going to get much, much worse for Sunak * The number of illegal immigrants (or more accurately asylum seekers arriving here entirely legally) is going to stay high and potentially get higher, which does not help Sunak's "I stopped the boats!" message * The economy is likely to continue to tank * A very poor showing at the local elections may lead Sunak to be ousted before the election happens, therefore he has a vested interest at calling it now so at least he can say he's in charge We've talked in the thread before about how it's been fairly common knowledge that this will happen. Tory sources are obviously denying it and saying they're in no rush at all, Labour ministers are going on morning shows and placing bets (only a tenner) that it will. I'm not sure what the Lords timetable on the Rwanda bill is, but if they send that back (unless they already have? it wasn't clear from the reporting) I expect that would factor into Rishi's plans. Being able to fight his election on stopping the boats before the numbers get worse for him is at least... something.
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Mar 5, 2024 18:39
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Nenonen posted:Two parents go to work, one looks after the kids. Good argument for throupling imo
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Mar 5, 2024 18:40
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Rishi doing the Boris thing in 2019 of "well I keep trying to Brexit but the fuckers won't let me" but with his stupid loving boat plan would be a powerful example of cargo cult politics.
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