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Mariko seems to get over the death of her husband pretty quickly. Good episode otherwise. Don't really have much to comment as I haven't read the book.
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mobby_6kl posted:Mariko seems to get over the death of her husband pretty quickly. Abundantly justified in the book, for reasons already pretty implied in the show. Mariko and her husband absolutely loving hate each other and are together basically only because toranaga is withholding permission to divorce as a carrot No Mods No Masters fucked around with this message at 20:14 on Mar 6, 2024 |
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Mar 6, 2024 18:48
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tbf he seemed like a dick
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Nybble posted:tbf he seemed like a dick Yeah totally. I was honestly surprised to see he was a competent and brave warrior cause from the way he was acting I was kind of getting "insecure coward" vibes in the few snippits we saw before that scene. I also thought it was VERY suspicious (speculation on mild book spoilers I scrolled over) that we didn't see him die on screen. I was wondering if maybe we haven't seen the last of him...? That could explain the discrepancy from what seems like his pretty clear death in the books. Perhaps he'll be swapped out for another character, a la The Expanse's Drummer?
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Mar 6, 2024 18:54
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timp posted:Yeah totally. I was honestly surprised to see he was a competent and brave warrior cause from the way he was acting I was kind of getting "insecure coward" vibes in the few snippits we saw before that scene. I think this is just someone's mis-memory of the book pinging around because he doesn't die then in the book, and IIRC he might even survive to the end
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Mar 6, 2024 18:59
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think this is just someone's mis-memory of the book pinging around because he doesn't die then in the book, and IIRC he might even survive to the end Ah yeah, just went back and reread the spoilers (in for a penny, in for a pound). It all makes sense now
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Mar 6, 2024 19:06
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I had the thought that Buntaro being a barely-social troglodyte and rear end in a top hat extraordinaire is linked to his reputation in battle. He doesn't make eye contact and, watching his scenes again, his his eyes are always scanning back and forth, never at rest. I wonder if thats how PTSD symptoms would manifest in a man in his situation?
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timp posted:Yeah totally. I was honestly surprised to see he was a competent and brave warrior cause from the way he was acting I was kind of getting "insecure coward" vibes in the few snippits we saw before that scene. I wouldn't be surprised if he survives until the death of a character is needed to advance some kind of sub-plot. He could be hauled out in front of everyone and Ishido offers to spare Buntaros life or something, only for Toranaga to not take it and Buntaro then be killed. Lot's of good reasons to keep him alive for now, only to kill him later.
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No Mods No Masters posted:I think this is just someone's mis-memory of the book pinging around because he doesn't die then in the book, and IIRC he might even survive to the end Yeah I'm pretty sure that he lives through the end of the book, or at least he lives a good ways into it given a certain other plot thread that y'all can probably see coming.
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Mar 6, 2024 20:08
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No Mods No Masters posted:Abundantly justified in the book, for reasons already pretty implied already in the show. Mariko and her husband absolutely loving hate each other and are together basically only because toranaga is withholding permission to divorce as a carrot 
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Show continues to rule. Once again a scene played out and looked exactly like I had imagined it, when Ishido is inspecting the departing party and Toranaga slips into the sedan. The mise en scene is also just generally amazing in this show. What a breath of fresh air after the train wreck that was True Detective S4.
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Saganlives posted:What a breath of fresh air after the train wreck that was True Detective S4.
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Book spoilers re: Buntaro. It would be very odd if Buntaro died in the show. He has a relatively minor, but important, role in the book that helps develop some of the other main characters. The historical person he is based on was also an important figure, so it would be odd to kill him off and give his role to someone else - but this isn't meant to be 100% true to history so there's no reason they can't. In the book it is clear he's probably not going to escape and he prepares to kill himself, but Toranaga orders him to try and escape. The way they did it in the show makes it much more ambiguous, but I think that will make it more impactful in the visual format when we find out he's still alive, so it's probably a good change.
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It also does a good job of portraying, in a show that so far doesn't have fantastical murder-heroes, that Buntaro is a fairly superlative warrior. He just shears through the opposition until they can start bringing their numbers to bear.
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I watched The Fall of Ako Castle starring Sonny Chiba again lastnight. Which is ther other movie based on 47 Ronin, set 102 years after this show during Tokugawa Tsunayoshi's reign. The costumes are mental, there's so much talk of revenge and hara-kari, which is pretty much the whole theme of the movie. A+ would recommend
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This show rules. Might have to read the book once the show wraps up.
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They cast a guy with brown eyes who's English but doing a weird English guy voice. Everything about this is good except for the lead.
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timp posted:Yeah totally. I was honestly surprised to see he was a competent and brave warrior cause from the way he was acting I was kind of getting "insecure coward" vibes in the few snippits we saw before that scene. He uh, has other reasons to act that way. micro reasons
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RestingB1tchFace posted:This show rules. Might have to read the book once the show wraps up. Waiting for it to get back on Kindle.
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Arglebargle III posted:They cast a guy with brown eyes who's English but doing a weird English guy voice. Everything about this is good except for the lead. casting based on eye color would be the height of stupidity
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He's weird and the weirdness is only increased by putting him in blue contacts and extreme closeup all the time.
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Arglebargle III posted:They cast a guy with brown eyes who's English but doing a weird English guy voice. Everything about this is good except for the lead. One could almost say they were going for a blue eyed samurai.... It took me to look up an interview to find out he was originally on Raised by Wolves, which totally does not reinforce how old I am despite it only being a few years old. Good episode overall, I expect that the Anji's divings will continue until bathing has improved.
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kiimo posted:He uh, has other reasons to act that way. Just a hunch that that’s going to be left out of this adaptation
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Jerusalem posted:
I'm not sure why but this poo poo made me laugh for like 4 solid minutes
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Arglebargle III posted:He's weird and the weirdness is only increased by putting him in blue contacts and extreme closeup all the time. It's no more off putting than the blue contacts Edward James Olmos wore on Battlestar Galactica so that he would look more like Jamie Bamber.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's no more off putting than the blue contacts Edward James Olmos wore on Battlestar Galactica so that he would look more like Jamie Bamber. If that's all it took i'd be wearing them now.
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nine-gear crow posted:It's no more off putting than the blue contacts Edward James Olmos wore on Battlestar Galactica so that he would look more like Jamie Bamber. This is really insane to me. "Hey Edward James Olmos, who's been in a bunch of poo poo, we need to blue up your eyes so you look like you might be related to this guy who was in 3 episodes of Band of Brothers."
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Cojawfee posted:This is really insane to me. "Hey Edward James Olmos, who's been in a bunch of poo poo, we need to blue up your eyes so you look like you might be related to this guy who was in 3 episodes of Band of Brothers." I think the contacts were actually Eddie's idea. Dude was insanely method about certain things, doing poo poo like bringing a sleep deprivation expert to the table read for 33, or refusing to make eye contact with actors playing characters who Adama didn't respect, or trashing $100,000 props on camera because he was as broken up over Katee Sackhoff getting "fired" from the show as Adama was upset that Starbuck was killed, and so on.
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Apparently the propmaster said that ship was a mail order thing that only cost a couple hundred bucks.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:It also does a good job of portraying, in a show that so far doesn't have fantastical murder-heroes, that Buntaro is a fairly superlative warrior. He just shears through the opposition until they can start bringing their numbers to bear. On that note, I also appreciated that the show made a point of showing that a warrior in a full suit or armor has a distinct edge over a bunch of guys in just regular clothes. The unarmoured guys got owned left and right, but only a couple of people in armor got got, and those only through hits to exposed areas like the neck.
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Arglebargle III posted:They cast a guy with brown eyes who's English but doing a weird English guy voice. Everything about this is good except for the lead. Counterpoint: the IT'S NOT PROPER!! WORSE THAN THAT, IT'S VULGAAR!! scene was fantastic and very funny, and it relies on him having a bellowing baritone. I will admit that they've gone to the well of "intense close-up reaction shot of Cosmo Jarvis' wide-eyed and trembling face" maybe 2 or 3 times too many.
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Yeah, I'm enjoying Jarvis and I dug their take on the "madman" scene with the litters, especially with the follow-up when Mariko's all "Is it really true that all women in England are treated with such reverence and hold their virtue so close?  " and he goes,"What? No, they're all trollops and slatterns!" 
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Cosmo Jarvis has an odd charisma in this, and the intensity he brings to the role sells him as a brash, devil may care adventurer, but the combination of his small, wide-set eyes and bad blue contacts lends him an uncanny appearance. I think his look is also off-putting because he's constantly wide eyed but has a weird lifelessness to his eyes, and his lack of expression is often at odds with his explosive baritone. I was thinking more about the final sequence on the galley from this last episode and I really liked its subtlety. Toranaga show his dominance, making clear to Blackthorne that he could kill him for piracy and forcing him to dive over and over again, but at the same time he's willing to be vulnerable in front of his entourage and open to learning something new. It does a good job of showing how he puts into action his philosophy that friends are important but fickle and enemies are everywhere so you need to be clever. MeinPanzer fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Mar 7, 2024 |
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He looks a bit like that Jesus painting the cleaner touched up.
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Google Jeb Bush posted:It also does a good job of portraying, in a show that so far doesn't have fantastical murder-heroes, that Buntaro is a fairly superlative warrior. He just shears through the opposition until they can start bringing their numbers to bear. yeah this is the Good poo poo. Really hits the holy trinity of a good adaptation of feudal times: 1. armor works 2. a well-trained guy in armor can really gently caress poo poo up 3. a nobleman is probably well-trained even if he's personally a dickhead
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I'm not sure why but this poo poo made me laugh for like 4 solid minutes Whirlwind was straight up Looney Tunes. The resolution to the big Starr crossed lovers plot was The woman, realizing Khomeini was not going to respect the progress women made under the Shah, steals a grenade in order to be a martyr during a protest. Her British husband stops her right after she pulls the grabs her hand tight holding the lever in place. They jostle through the crowd to get a clearing, kiss and embrace. Then they explode because they forgot about the grenade.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:they explode because they forgot about the grenade. Please tell me this is real
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MeinPanzer posted:Cosmo Jarvis has an odd charisma in this, and the intensity he brings to the role sells him as a brash, devil may care adventurer, but the combination of his small, wide-set eyes and bad blue contacts lends him an uncanny appearance. I think his look is also off-putting because he's constantly wide eyed but has a weird lifelessness to his eyes, and his lack of expression is often at odds with his explosive baritone. Jarvis looking/acting a bit strange fits. From everyone else's POV Blackthorne's the weirdo, and he's learning to use that to his advantage in a more calculated and theatrical way. As for making him dive over and over I don't know if it was to remind him that Toranaga could gently caress with him with impunity (I think Blackthorne got the message with the piracy accusation), or because he's a perfectionist who wants to learn as much as he could from observation first. Or maybe it's ego and he wanted to tire Blackthorne first before the contest.
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It could be any or all three of those things- concealing his true plans / motives is his most defining practice.
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MrMojok posted:Please tell me this is real It is, I only have the book on audible else I'd paste the passage from the book. I wonder if Cosmo didn't listen to the audio book in prep for the role. His affected accent is pretty much exactly like the one the narrator used in it.
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