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OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013
rly so we can build a big port over there but we cant ummm turn off the bombs faucet ??

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Delta-Wye
Sep 29, 2005

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



the building the port thing gets funnier the more you think about it

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Joe Biden announces megacity project offshore of gaza "our city will reach god!"

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Crazypoops posted:

the building the port thing gets funnier the more you think about it

the more u think about it, the more u realize they didnt think about it at all lol

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Canada’s Trudeau says no decision yet on funding for UNRWA

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Biden's support for this plan was clearly inspired by reading the 1950's manual for navy construction battalions



:heysexy:

Is there a "Mrs. Personnel Procedures?"

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

OctaMurk posted:

rly so we can build a big port over there but we cant ummm turn off the bombs faucet ??

self care means accepting the things you can’t control (choosing to give Israel weapons, diplomatic cover and propaganda to help them commit genocide) and working on the things you can control (maybe, notionally, considering sending some expired food through a Rube Goldberg device)

hey mom its 420
May 12, 2007

I don't get it why doesn't biden just send the aid via regular mail? I bet he can get a good discount on stamps

DaysBefore
Jan 24, 2019

HallelujahLee posted:

Canada’s Trudeau says no decision yet on funding for UNRWA

A couple of braindead Liberal MPs put out a letter today saying they don't think funding should resume so it seems obvious to me they've already decided/been ordered not to and they'll just slow-roll actually telling people that. Maybe they'll get in on this insanely badass Pier Plan and give themselves some humanitarian awards

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Remember when George W. Bush announced a manned mission to Mars in the lead up to the 2004 election?

Dunno why, just thought about it.

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Best Friends posted:

self care means accepting the things you can’t control (choosing to give Israel weapons, diplomatic cover and propaganda to help them commit genocide) and working on the things you can control (maybe, notionally, considering sending some expired food through a Rube Goldberg device)

The logistical effort to provide Israel with free JDAMs has got to be gargantuan, but we can't use that for food eh?

like, what the gently caress?

PhilippAchtel posted:

Remember when George W. Bush announced a manned mission to Mars in the lead up to the 2004 election?

Dunno why, just thought about it.

This is about what the United States military in 2024 constructing a port would be.

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

DaysBefore posted:

A couple of braindead Liberal MPs put out a letter today saying they don't think funding should resume so it seems obvious to me they've already decided/been ordered not to and they'll just slow-roll actually telling people that. Maybe they'll get in on this insanely badass Pier Plan and give themselves some humanitarian awards

they can invite netanyahu to the next parliament meeting

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



lol that you have so little control over your ally that you have to build a port instead of telling them to knock it the gently caress off

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009

Crazypoops posted:

lol that you have so little control over your ally that you have to build a port instead of telling them to knock it the gently caress off

they have all the control in the world its much worse in that they refuse to use it because they agree with the genocide

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

Crazypoops posted:

lol that you have so little control over your ally that you have to build a port instead of telling them to knock it the gently caress off

literally just stop delivering bombs. Who cares?

Would the American public care, at all, if Israel stopped getting free poo poo? Would the unsinkable aircraft carrier sink? No.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/chefjoseandres/status/1765852837609636189?t=TnjT1rs2l40igjEoFOmQTw&s=19

Jose Andres himself is talking about a beach landing in Gaza

Zodar
May 21, 2007

Crazypoops posted:

Joe Biden announces megacity project offshore of gaza "our city will reach god!"

Joe Biden Funeral Port 2000000... actually i cant commit to the bit, i dont want to entertain the possibility, gently caress this

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

The Myth of Israel as ‘US Aircraft Carrier’ in Middle East

If Israeli apartheid were to disappear, oil and trade would still flow from the Middle East towards the West, write Jean Bricmont and Diana Johnstone.

Why does the United States give total support to Israel?

In answer, there is a common myth shared by both champions and radical critics of the Zionist state which needs to be dispelled.

The myth is that Israel is a major U.S. strategic asset, described as a sort of unsinkable American aircraft carrier vital to Washington’s interests in the Middle East.

The line of argument of those who share this myth is to show that the United States has economic and strategic interests in the oil-rich Middle East (which nobody denies) and to quote American (and, of course, Israeli) political figures who claim that Israel is the best or even the sole U.S. ally in the region.

For example U.S. President Joe Biden has gone so far as to say that if Israel didn’t exist the U.S. should have invented it.

But the crucial evidence, totally missing from their analysis, is the slightest example of Israel actually serving American interests in the region.

If no examples are given, it’s simply because there are none. Israel has never fired a shot on behalf of the United States or brought a drop of oil under U.S. control.

We can start with a common sense argument: If the U.S. is interested in Middle East oil, why would it support a country that is hated (for whatever reasons) by all the populations of the oil producing countries?

In the 1950s, such was the reasoning of most U.S. experts, who put good relations with Arab countries ahead of support to Israel. This no doubt helps explain why AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, was founded in 1963, to align U.S. policy with that of Israel.

...

“The public must realize that far from being an asset, Israel is a chronic liability that squanders billions of American dollars, drags the United States into wars and whose genocidal treatment of the Palestinians is radically destroying America’s moral pretensions in most of the world.”

lobster shirt
Jun 14, 2021

hey mom its 420 posted:

I don't get it why doesn't biden just send the aid via regular mail? I bet he can get a good discount on stamps

the president has franking privilege, its free!

Justin Tyme
Feb 22, 2011



This all feels like extremely gross glaze on top of the poo poo sandwich, like Jeni's ice cream sort of bullshit. Can't just open the border crossings and stop sending munitions to Israel, we gotta do some bullshit boondoggle beach landing by some greasy palm dc guy

HallelujahLee
May 3, 2009


this guy comes off entirely as a grifter freak

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




By their and Anera's reports they've been responsible for like 2/3rds of the food aid in Gaza over the past five months, it does not appear that they've only just now showed up to do this stupid port thing.

Olga Gurlukovich
Nov 13, 2016

DaysBefore posted:

What's up with Spain lol, they've been less openly genocidal than the rest of NATO during this genocide

its their antisemitism!!!!!!

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

Marenghi posted:

Speaking of Orange men and Ulster. Recently saw this little quote by the man who was British Governor of Jerusalem immediately before and after it became British Mandatory Palestine.

So the idea of populating Palestine with Jewish people was the same as the plantation of Ulster when the British sent loyal subjects to rule Northern Ireland as colonialists.

He would later go on to govern British Rhodesia.

I wish the Queen were still alive (not really lol) to see Yemen effectively close the Suez Canal

Crazypoops
Jul 17, 2017



Olga Gurlukovich posted:

its their antisemitism!!!!!!

I just figured it was naptime or they were going for a walk instead of loving doing their jobs

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

literally just stop delivering bombs. Who cares?

Would the American public care, at all, if Israel stopped getting free poo poo? Would the unsinkable aircraft carrier sink? No.

Either the US has no leverage/control over Israel, in which case they should stop sending weapons to them immediately

Or the US has leverage/control over Israel, in which case they should use that leverage to stop Israel immediately

It's all bullshit reasoning and grasping at sraws because liberals refuse to see the obvious conclusion that Biden supports genocide

salartarium
Sep 7, 2021

Maybe they’re angling to build that Suez Canal competitor

fizziester
Dec 21, 2023

Source: Times of Occupied Palestine

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-soldier-killed-12-wounded-in-battles-with-hamas-in-southern-gaza/

IDF soldier killed, 13 wounded in battles with Hamas in southern Gaza
By EMANUEL FABIAN
Today, 4:02 am

An Israeli soldier was killed and another 13 were wounded on Wednesday during fighting in the southern Gaza Strip, bringing the toll of slain troops in the ground offensive against Hamas since late October to 247.

The soldier was named as Staff Sgt. David Sasson, 21, of the Oketz canine unit, from Ganot Hadar. Among the 12 wounded in the same battle against Hamas operatives, five sustained serious injuries, according to the Israel Defense Forces.

The troops, of the Oketz unit and Commando Brigade, had raided a multi-story building in the Hamad Town residential complex in Khan Younis, when several Hamas operatives ambushed them. The soldiers were hit by gunfire, RPGs, and an explosive device, according to an IDF probe. Several of the Hamas gunmen were killed by the troops and in airstrikes in the area...

... In a separate incident on Wednesday, another soldier of the Commando Brigade was seriously wounded during fighting in southern Gaza.

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Myth of Israel as ‘US Aircraft Carrier’ in Middle East

If Israeli apartheid were to disappear, oil and trade would still flow from the Middle East towards the West, write Jean Bricmont and Diana Johnstone.

Why does the United States give total support to Israel?

In answer, there is a common myth shared by both champions and radical critics of the Zionist state which needs to be dispelled.

The myth is that Israel is a major U.S. strategic asset, described as a sort of unsinkable American aircraft carrier vital to Washington’s interests in the Middle East.

The line of argument of those who share this myth is to show that the United States has economic and strategic interests in the oil-rich Middle East (which nobody denies) and to quote American (and, of course, Israeli) political figures who claim that Israel is the best or even the sole U.S. ally in the region.

For example U.S. President Joe Biden has gone so far as to say that if Israel didn’t exist the U.S. should have invented it.

But the crucial evidence, totally missing from their analysis, is the slightest example of Israel actually serving American interests in the region.

If no examples are given, it’s simply because there are none. Israel has never fired a shot on behalf of the United States or brought a drop of oil under U.S. control.

We can start with a common sense argument: If the U.S. is interested in Middle East oil, why would it support a country that is hated (for whatever reasons) by all the populations of the oil producing countries?

In the 1950s, such was the reasoning of most U.S. experts, who put good relations with Arab countries ahead of support to Israel. This no doubt helps explain why AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, was founded in 1963, to align U.S. policy with that of Israel.

...

“The public must realize that far from being an asset, Israel is a chronic liability that squanders billions of American dollars, drags the United States into wars and whose genocidal treatment of the Palestinians is radically destroying America’s moral pretensions in most of the world.”

quote:

Unfortunately, many on the left cling to an ostensibly “Marxist” view that U.S. support for Israel must be motivated by economic interests, by capitalist profits, by control of the flow of Middle Eastern oil. This belief is not only unsupported factually, it amounts to an invitation to U.S. rulers to keep it up.

this is what I've been saying for a while. People act like there's a practical argument for Israel support when its entirely ideological. America supporting Israel isn't about continuing the American empire but the sick beliefs of the American ruling class. There's a sort of ontological argument for American foreign policy even from critics where practical reasoning is assumed to be behind decision making at some level because otherwise the policies wouldn't endure. However, we know of too many definitively irrational American political decisions even from within the unelected blob for that to be the case.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

doesn’t Israel buy a lot of USA weapons.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

euphronius posted:

doesn’t Israel buy a lot of USA weapons.

They also train lots of death squads, including US cops

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

So do lots of countries including nearly everyone else in the region who isn't a direct US opponent. America also gives Israel the money to buy our weapons so it's just another complicated way to hand money to our defense companies. We can do that in an infinite number of ways that don't involve violent ethnostates that cause disruptions to other US allies.

These are extremely minor benefits considering the vast expense of money and political capital that Israel costs.

RC Cola
Aug 1, 2011

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

euphronius posted:

doesn’t Israel buy a lot of USA weapons.

is being given weapons for free buying?

Olga Gurlukovich
Nov 13, 2016

RC Cola posted:

is being given weapons for free buying?

isnt it like, we give them money to buy weapons from our companies?

but i heard they're building up their own mic so they wont have to do that anymore and can genocide in peace

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Doesn't Gaza already have port facilities? What if this is really about letting American shipping claim they're going to the new port of Gaza when theyre really bound for Haifa or whatever but it looks like bad PR for Ansarallah. Holy poo poo it is just that isn't it

DJJIB-DJDCT
Feb 1, 2024

They were but their MIC, reasoned, correctly, that it was more profitable to sell high margin items on the export market. So, rather than producing bombs to replace the ones America provided or small arms and ammunition, the Israeli military industrial complex produces some of the most big ticket items in the world of defence, in terms of sensors, autonomous systems, and other high technology items that bring in huge amounts of money - and of course that R&D is also funded by the United States, either directly or indirectly and they can be spares to only produce “luxury goods” because America give them “staples” for free.

4d3d3d
Mar 17, 2017
Man someone should really do something about all this

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

HallelujahLee posted:

this guy comes off entirely as a grifter freak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26wmKY-e3I

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skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

The Myth of Israel as ‘US Aircraft Carrier’ in Middle East

If Israeli apartheid were to disappear, oil and trade would still flow from the Middle East towards the West, write Jean Bricmont and Diana Johnstone.

Why does the United States give total support to Israel?

In answer, there is a common myth shared by both champions and radical critics of the Zionist state which needs to be dispelled.

The myth is that Israel is a major U.S. strategic asset, described as a sort of unsinkable American aircraft carrier vital to Washington’s interests in the Middle East.

The line of argument of those who share this myth is to show that the United States has economic and strategic interests in the oil-rich Middle East (which nobody denies) and to quote American (and, of course, Israeli) political figures who claim that Israel is the best or even the sole U.S. ally in the region.

For example U.S. President Joe Biden has gone so far as to say that if Israel didn’t exist the U.S. should have invented it.

But the crucial evidence, totally missing from their analysis, is the slightest example of Israel actually serving American interests in the region.

If no examples are given, it’s simply because there are none. Israel has never fired a shot on behalf of the United States or brought a drop of oil under U.S. control.

We can start with a common sense argument: If the U.S. is interested in Middle East oil, why would it support a country that is hated (for whatever reasons) by all the populations of the oil producing countries?

In the 1950s, such was the reasoning of most U.S. experts, who put good relations with Arab countries ahead of support to Israel. This no doubt helps explain why AIPAC, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, was founded in 1963, to align U.S. policy with that of Israel.

...

“The public must realize that far from being an asset, Israel is a chronic liability that squanders billions of American dollars, drags the United States into wars and whose genocidal treatment of the Palestinians is radically destroying America’s moral pretensions in most of the world.”

9/11 happened in part because of US support of Israel specifically.

It's not even worth it on its own terms because you can't even use Israel as a forward base, and the US doesn't even try. They were not launching strikes into Iraq, any of the times the US has does so, from Israel, because it would massively piss everyone in the region off. Same with Syria and Libya, the US didn't use the aircraft carrier of Israel because to do so is far more trouble than its worth. Oh and also we have actual aircraft carriers, and Turkey, and Cypress.

If you can't base out of your client state because to do so is to invite huge political repercussions, you don't actually have a base there.

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