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The337th posted:just do a twitter that roleplays as Cody and/or Punk's dogs and talks endless poo poo about Tony Khan via the worst dog puns "Wow that episode was RUFF" scheduled to post every Wednesday at 10:05 Eastern. That's all I've got but I think it's a good start.
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The337th posted:just do a twitter that roleplays as Cody and/or Punk's dogs and talks endless poo poo about Tony Khan via the worst dog puns The AEW Front PAWffice coming soon It looks like those ratings are really going to the dogs! etc
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I’m a new breed of wrestling analyst, baby
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Ganso Bomb posted:Listen guys the point is I’d be GOOD at it and engagement would be off the charts. Help me complain about wrestling as a caricature and I’ll buy you all jackets. Would it be a cool jacket? I wasn’t on board until I heard about the promise of a jacket.
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Furry AEW critic Trained an AI on AEW content to analyze why they're so bad. AI starts going off on Cornette style rants. The whole thing is a work, obviously, just reading scripted material.
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lol at the "Death Of AEW, written for 2027" motherfucker TNA has been around for 20 loving years. but yes the show with an owner who has even more money than mcmahon is going to somehow go under in 3 years
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He also clearly hasn’t even read Death of WCW, as evidenced by some of his takes. (Such as saying that Tony hiring the Bucks was literally the worst wrestling business decision of all time.)
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You have to understand, none of these people are doing analysis. They're not evaluating. They're manifesting. If enough people say aew is failing then aew will fail.
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It does point out that all of the biggest anti AEW podcasters are all former TNA creatives. Like being told how to drive by people who had their licence revoked for drunk driving into a preschool.
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Gonzo McFee posted:It does point out that all of the biggest anti AEW podcasters are all former TNA creatives. Like being told how to drive by people who had their licence revoked for drunk driving into a preschool. They should be running a booking scared straight program. "Oh you think putting the belt on Jeff Jarret is really cool, huh?"
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What is the worst business decision in wrestling? Maybe ECW signing with TNN but only because in hindsight it was just used as a test before they dropped them for WWE.
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TNA keeping Vince Russo hired and trying to hide it when Spike said they didn't want Russo on the product which in the end cost them the TV slot
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Shard posted:What is the worst business decision in wrestling? Maybe ECW signing with TNN but only because in hindsight it was just used as a test before they dropped them for WWE. maybe not catastrophic to the business bc it was already going down, but Eric bischoff signing a deal with KISS to 1) have a wrestler based on gene simmons' look 2) have KISS do a live concert on tv in like 1999 and 3) ensure the KISS Demon main evented at least one ppv is one of the stupidest contracts that's ever been devised for wrestling imo
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Shard posted:What is the worst business decision in wrestling? Maybe ECW signing with TNN but only because in hindsight it was just used as a test before they dropped them for WWE. ECW completely failing to hit its ratings targets and TNN moving on isn't really on TNN.
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In terms of scale and consequences WCW being mismanaged to death has to be it depending on where you start the ball rolling on the first bad decision.
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History Comes Inside! posted:In terms of scale and consequences WCW being mismanaged to death has to be it depending on where you start the ball rolling on the first bad decision. right wcw strikes me as a death of a thousand cuts along with the company that was airing it deciding they didn't want wrestling on it anymore. I have to imagine that if WCW was making a profit it probably wouldn't be cut but even if it was it would at least then had been able to find a new home.
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Giving Hogan creative control
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apophenium posted:Giving Hogan creative control given the way things turned out this might be the first domino yeah
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Road Wild is still one of the most baffling PPV ideas ever. Running a free show out in the middle of nowhere South Dakota just so Bischoff can go hang out at a biker rally for a week. They ran Sturgis multiple times for a total gate of $0.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:freaked out that there is an arlo for wrestling and he's worse than the real arlo Wait, what's Raylan Givens' dad got to do with anything?
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Benne posted:Road Wild is still one of the most baffling PPV ideas ever. Running a free show out in the middle of nowhere South Dakota just so Bischoff can go hang out at a biker rally for a week. They ran Sturgis multiple times for a total gate of $0. God I wish the podcast circuit was around during WCW's time. AEW is working at a profit and making big gates meanwhile WCW was doing shows like this and people like to pretend that Eric was some managing genius.
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apophenium posted:Giving Hogan creative control That he never exercised! Just, you know, threatened to with "That doesn't work for me, brother."
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Would WWE not wanting to buy out the contracts of the big stars for the Invasion be considered a dumb one. Sure, it would have been expensive but surely a true WWF vs WCW storyline would have done ridiculous business? Or had the Austin heel turn done too much damage?
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The inVasion ppv did one of their best numbers at the time, an actually well-booked feud with the real stars would have been more than worth it
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Hoss Corncave posted:Would WWE not wanting to buy out the contracts of the big stars for the Invasion be considered a dumb one. Sure, it would have been expensive but surely a true WWF vs WCW storyline would have done ridiculous business? The Invasion PPV did incredible business, if they had actual stars to back it up they could have kept up absolutely ridiculous momentum instead of things petering out by the time they did bring in the nWo.
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yea ok posted:The inVasion ppv did one of their best numbers at the time, an actually well-booked feud with the real stars would have been more than worth it I do recall it doing something like the highest non-WM buyrate despite having none of WCW's top guys (aside from Booker and DDP). MassRafTer posted:The Invasion PPV did incredible business, if they had actual stars to back it up they could have kept up absolutely ridiculous momentum instead of things petering out by the time they did bring in the nWo. Wasn't the whole build to Survivor Series basically "We're tired of this Invasion crap, winner takes all"? It was like they were done with the story and couldn't be bothered to wrap it up properly, as was incredibly clear when the next night when Flair debuted and Austin immediately turned face again with no explanation.
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Hoss Corncave posted:Would WWE not wanting to buy out the contracts of the big stars for the Invasion be considered a dumb one. Sure, it would have been expensive but surely a true WWF vs WCW storyline would have done ridiculous business? I thought the story went that the talent had the option of going or not and some of them like Sting decided gently caress it I’m not going over there and just stayed home and cashed cheques from their original contracts still being paid out.
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Hoss Corncave posted:Wasn't the whole build to Survivor Series basically "We're tired of this Invasion crap, winner takes all"? It was like they were done with the story and couldn't be bothered to wrap it up properly, as was incredibly clear when the next night when Flair debuted and Austin immediately turned face again with no explanation. To be fair, everyone was tired of it because the only idea they had for the entire angle between 9/11 and Survivor Series was constantly bouncing titles around until they meant nothing. If they let WCW/ECW actually be cool and had some angles with intent they could have gone longer, or at least closed it with something besides "thank god that's over".
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History Comes Inside! posted:I thought the story went that the talent had the option of going or not and some of them like Sting decided gently caress it I’m not going over there and just stayed home and cashed cheques from their original contracts still being paid out. That is why WWE had to buy out contracts. Basically every star was on a guaranteed contract and WWE was cheap and didn't want to buy them out. Originally it looked like they might not even come to terms with Booker T. They did, but they wouldn't give Goldberg, Sting, Nash, Flair or anyone else the kind of money they wanted to buy out their guaranteed sit at home money. So the Invasion was Booker T, DDP and a bunch of guys who were on contracts WWE absorbed, canceled at their 90 day cycle and renegotiated.
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Benne posted:Road Wild is still one of the most baffling PPV ideas ever. Running a free show out in the middle of nowhere South Dakota just so Bischoff can go hang out at a biker rally for a week. They ran Sturgis multiple times for a total gate of $0. Every time someone says "Tony's gotta be a boss, not a friend," I think of Bischoff running an entire show so he and his wrestler buddies could play biker.
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Running shows in weird locations is cool. You don't get Spring Break Out or the Mall of America debut Nitro if you aren't also willing to try weird poo poo like Bash at the Beach being at an actual beach or Hog Wild. Doing Sturgis multiple years wasn't so good but I get why you'd try it once when you are doing different concepts.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:cant even get 100 subs I have more than twice as many subs as that, and I have a hobby channel of low-effort Let's Plays of Paradox games, with gaps of a year or more between some of them.
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History Comes Inside! posted:I thought the story went that the talent had the option of going or not and some of them like Sting decided gently caress it I’m not going over there and just stayed home and cashed cheques from their original contracts still being paid out. Yea the guaranteed contracts still had to be paid no matter what, but there was the option to negotiate something new and make someone an active wwe wrestler if both sides could agree on something. The original contracts were paid by Time Warner and anything new would be paid entirely by wwe. Some of the lower card guys went over because they needed the visibility for their careers, but any established star with a big contract would need a ton of money to get talked out of their current contract (especially since they would still be in demand when it ended so they could sit at home still get paid to come back after their wcw contract was up). Obviously they'd make more money with sting/nash/etc. but it would cost them a lot more as well. And it wouldn't solve the fundamental issues with the invasion (booking around backstage politics/egos, trying to monetize a brand synonymous with failure, vince not wanting to make his own company look weak in any way).
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shiksa posted:maybe not catastrophic to the business bc it was already going down, but Eric bischoff signing a deal with KISS to 1) have a wrestler based on gene simmons' look 2) have KISS do a live concert on tv in like 1999 and 3) ensure the KISS Demon main evented at least one ppv is one of the stupidest contracts that's ever been devised for wrestling imo I don't disagree that it was very stupid (And another obvious Bischoff "Wow! I get to hang out with [person only a middle-aged white man would think was cool]!" decision) but the contract clearly wasn't that good, since WCW got away with running the Demon match on the undercard of Superbrawl 2000 by simply billing it as a "Special Main Event"
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JethroMcB posted:I don't disagree that it was very stupid (And another obvious Bischoff "Wow! I get to hang out with [person only a middle-aged white man would think was cool]!" decision) but the contract clearly wasn't that good, since WCW got away with running the Demon match on the undercard of Superbrawl 2000 by simply billing it as a "Special Main Event" "actually they spent millions of dollars on a midcard match" is not making it look like a better decision imo
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how much of that money went to the kiss demon and how much went to kiss?
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little munchkin posted:Yea the guaranteed contracts still had to be paid no matter what, but there was the option to negotiate something new and make someone an active wwe wrestler if both sides could agree on something. The original contracts were paid by Time Warner and anything new would be paid entirely by wwe. Some of the lower card guys went over because they needed the visibility for their careers, but any established star with a big contract would need a ton of money to get talked out of their current contract (especially since they would still be in demand when it ended so they could sit at home still get paid to come back after their wcw contract was up). IIRC it was only the name stars with actual leverage/representation who had their contracts through Time Warner and not WCW. WWF absorbed all of the WCW contracts and their 90-day cycles but anyone on Time Warner contract would have had to been negotiated separately and the vast majority were happy to stay home and cash the check. Only DDP was willing to take a buyout, which was why he came in earlier as the Undertaker stalker and we all know how that exploded on the launchpad. I'm not sure of how long their deals were for but it wasn't until '02 that Hogan/Hall/Nash came in and then '03 for Goldberg.
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Selachian posted:Every time someone says "Tony's gotta be a boss, not a friend," I think of Bischoff running an entire show so he and his wrestler buddies could play biker. Was it even his wrestling buddies he wanted to hang out with? I thought it was just friends who also rode bikes and lived out their Dennis Hopper fantasies.
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C. Everett Koop posted:IIRC it was only the name stars with actual leverage/representation who had their contracts through Time Warner and not WCW. WWF absorbed all of the WCW contracts and their 90-day cycles but anyone on Time Warner contract would have had to been negotiated separately and the vast majority were happy to stay home and cash the check. Only DDP was willing to take a buyout, which was why he came in earlier as the Undertaker stalker and we all know how that exploded on the launchpad. It was that they had guaranteed contracts vs lower card guys who had signed more recently and had 90 day termination cycles in their contracts. Hall had been fired in 2000, Hogan's contract had expired. Both of them were free agents. Nash still had time, as did Sting, Flair, Goldberg, Booker T and DDP. Probably a couple other guys who signed too but I forget. Seems like Buff Bagwell must've had a guaranteed contract but I'm not sure about that one because the ones that are written about most are the ones who did not sign.
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Shard posted:What is the worst business decision in wrestling? Maybe ECW signing with TNN but only because in hindsight it was just used as a test before they dropped them for WWE. Far from the worst, but maybe the worst recently? NWA maybe becoming relevant and getting a TV deal, and then losing it because James Mitchell did coke during a bit on a lovely PPV.
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