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Gotta say, Blackthorne has excellent chopsticks skills. He's only been there a few weeks and is snarfing that natto like a pro.
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Why did the Chinese think the English were so cool looking???
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withak posted:Delete it from your youtube history. yeah, don't ever click that poo poo bro
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Fortunately the thumbnails aren't subtle, and all it takes is a click on the three dots and "Don't recommend channel". edit; haha, just after I posted this I got another one. This channel appears to use a cartoon fox/cat avatar to convey how we should be upset. edit2; Oh good lord, even Japanese ChudTube is at it. 
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Mar 14, 2024 11:33
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Anyway, I actually learned something interesting from the Reddit Shogun page about "I'd sooner pull a gourd from a horse" that Fuji says. She's quoting a proverb: 瓢箪から駒が出る "Hyoutan kara koma ga deru", which just means something completely unexpected. Literally, it translates as "A pony emerging from a gourd". Which is reversed from how it's subtitled. The best part of the Reddit thread is people who are watching it with non-English subtitles, and the line is translated as: “It’s going to rain red” (Mandarin proverb) "I'd sooner thread a rope through a needle" (Romanian) "I was not expecting that" (Brazilian Portuguese) "I would rather jump off a bridge" (Spanish) Interesting that for a show so fastidious about its language usage that there is so much difference going on here.
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The "polycolle" in that autotranslate is "political correctness". Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 12:36 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 12:26
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Alhazred posted:You must forgive Anjin-sama, he will eat the rice. Sad that this can't be the thread title
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Anyway, I actually learned something interesting from the Reddit Shogun page about "I'd sooner pull a gourd from a horse" that Fuji says. She's quoting a proverb: 瓢箪から駒が出る "Hyoutan kara koma ga deru", which just means something completely unexpected. Literally, it translates as "A pony emerging from a gourd". Which is reversed from how it's subtitled. It's not a mistake to change the idioms in localization instead of literal translation, it's a choice. (Other than the reversal of gourd and horse)
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INTJ Mastermind posted:salary Also a word for "payment for services that is a foodstuff"
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Mantle posted:It's not a mistake to change the idioms in localization instead of literal translation, it's a choice. (Other than the reversal of gourd and horse) Never said it was a mistake.
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Last week I visited the USS Constitution and there was a little display table below decks showcasing different sizes of cannonball and different types of shot, which is where I learned about chain shot for the first time. And now a week later it's in my current favorite show!
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Fortunately the thumbnails aren't subtle, and all it takes is a click on the three dots and "Don't recommend channel". I was just thinking the other day how nice it was that there's no chud-driven discourse around this show to sully one's enjoyment of it. Whether that's because it's both overwhelmingly popular and kinda niche at the same time, or that it's not based on any inherently nerd-driven IPs or probably just due to the fact that it's like 75% in Japanese and that requires actually reading subtitles and chuds tend to be actually illiterate in addition to being media illiterate, either way it's a nice little island in the constant storm that is "enjoying things on the internet in the 21st century."
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I like how everyone is in impeccable period costume, but Blackthorne carries it like he is in a bathrobe.
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Okay, wow. They tee you up after the buildup onto THIS IS HOW THE FIGHTING IS GOING TO BE DEPICTED. Brutally realistic. gently caress. This is gonna get bananas. I'm much more forgiving of some of the cheap looking greenscreen stuff if this is what they are throwing money into.
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The other Shogun thing YouTube keeps recommending is reactions to the show. And like most reaction channels, 95% of them are just not that good, but mostly in a boring way. Like, they have nothing interesting to observe or they're too busy mugging to the camera to catch the subtitles, but in general they like the show. So far all the chuddery seems to be contained in the orbit of that rage-bait article. The best negative reaction I have seen is a guy on Reddit who seems a tad too upset that his favorite scenes in the novel are not being recreated precisely as they unfold in the book. Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Mar 14, 2024 17:52
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ah yes, the Tom Bombadil faction They are manifesting in the Dune threads also.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:The other Shogun thing YouTube keeps recommending is reactions to the show. And like most reaction channels, 95% of them are just not that good, but mostly in a boring way. Like, they have nothing interesting to observe or they're too busy mugging to the camera to catch the subtitles, but in general they like the show. So far all the chuddery seems to be contained in the orbit of that rage-bait article. There are definitely some scenes where I prefer the book version, but lol at being a bombadil about this book in particular
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kiimo posted:ah yes, the Tom Bombadil faction He apparently wanted the boat chase scene to be just like the books: Guy on Reddit posted:Blackthorn boards the ship with Toranaga and Mirko. He gorges himself sick. The catholics want Blackthorn as part of the negotiations. Rodriguez throws him overboard to save him. It's an entertaining scene in the book; I totally forgot Blackthorne was drunk. But talk about tonal whiplash for the TV show. The 1980 miniseries hewed closer to the book scene, but was clearly filmed in some studio backlot pool. edit; Plus this new version gave us ride-or-die Captain-sama.
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hailthefish posted:There are definitely some scenes where I prefer the book version, but lol at being a bombadil about this book in particular Book purists are usually the worst part of any adaptation fandom. They made the Wheel of Time threads miserable until everyone told them to shut the gently caress up because the show was finally fun as poo poo and good now and doing cool things by going off-script from the book order.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Anyway, I actually learned something interesting from the Reddit Shogun page about "I'd sooner pull a gourd from a horse" that Fuji says. She's quoting a proverb: 瓢箪から駒が出る "Hyoutan kara koma ga deru", which just means something completely unexpected. Literally, it translates as "A pony emerging from a gourd". Which is reversed from how it's subtitled. I listened to the podcast and they actually write in English, translate into Japanese, send to a Japanese screenwriter who specializes in historical drama for a rewrite, then send that to the localization team to be translated into subtitles.
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Yeah, I'm really liking the changes they are making. It's like when a composer writes a piece based on another composer's theme. Besides, the book will always still exist. edit; I was responding to Bombadilling chat, not subtitle chat. Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Mar 14, 2024 |
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:He apparently wanted the boat chase scene to be just like the books: ride or die captainsama is also in the book! and yeah the boat chase is what I was thinking of when I mentioned scenes I liked better in the book, but I immediately understood why they simplified it. Cut all the back and forth and "should we attack him" "yes" "no" "ishido's better for us" "no he's not" "i see the pirate" "don't you dare" "why not? war's already started" "no it hasn't" poo poo, cut out all the bullshit of blackthorne gorging and throwing up and mariko and a maid having to strip him naked (of course) and trying to wash him and dress him in western clothes and having a bunch of 'oh wow aren't these clothes so weird and foreign' and then having a run in with a racist rapist Portuguese bosun and blah blah blah, save a fuckin half hour of runtime and distill the scene down to its essence: Toranaga makes a deal, the Portuguese want to gently caress over Blackthorne, Toranaga's willing to give Blackthorne up if that's what it costs, Blackthorne saves himself with help from Rodriguez against the wishes of his Captain-General, repaying Rodriguez's debt of a life. also the book version of the swimming scene is both slightly less weird (everyone's swimming and goofing off in the water and blackthorne dives in to join them and toranaga goes "that's rad! teach me!") and slightly more weird (everyone is naked, blackthorne has to repress a boner at seeing mariko naked, blackthorne and toranaga admire eachothers' figures)
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When a book adaptation earns my respect by actually being good (like this one) I for one am willing to give the writers / directors the benefit of the doubt for scene changes like the boat scene. I thought it played out fine in the show despite the differences from the book. There are a million possible reasons why the scene was changed, and as long as the show is delivering on the themes, plots, and performances, I'm fine with their choices.
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When people complain about an awesome scene because it veers away from exactly how it happened in the book I really appreciate it. It helps me remember which goons are insufferable pricks that I should avoid.
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kiimo posted:When people complain about an awesome scene because it veers away from exactly how it happened in the book I really appreciate it. 
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I agree completely. Books are written differently than a TV show. The storyline should almost remain the same, but they are different mediums. Even when a show branches off the books, I'm cool with it, because we get a story twice and told in different ways. You read the book, why do you want the show to do the same thing the book did? You already experienced it that way, now experience it a different way. If they are both enjoyable, why should you care? I'll read the book after this show, for maybe the first time ever. Every thing about this show is killing it, so I'll do the book thing after.
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yeah it is a really loving good adaptation of a novel that is very long and drags a looooooot
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hailthefish posted:ride or die captainsama is also in the book! I will say I would've preferred the explanation of the Dutch revolt as the context for "unless I win", but i didn't really hate the way it went down, i just think they didn't need to shoehorn the line in in the explanation of the Treaty of Tordesillas.
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Panzeh posted:I will say I would've preferred the explanation of the Dutch revolt as the context for "unless I win", but i didn't really hate the way it went down, i just think they didn't need to shoehorn the line in in the explanation of the Treaty of Tordesillas. 
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ShowTime posted:I'll read the book after this show, for maybe the first time ever. Every thing about this show is killing it, so I'll do the book thing after. I want to do the same, but the only copies I can find are split into two parts and have supposedly edited out some of the more weird/controversial stuff. My library has an original copy ebook, but there is like 45 people in line for it.
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Sierra Nevadan posted:My library has an original copy ebook, but there is like 45 people in line for it. Not really the place for it, but goddamnit man the whole situation wrt to libraries and digital copies of books makes my blood boil in ways more serious injustice does not.
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Sierra Nevadan posted:I want to do the same, but the only copies I can find are split into two parts and have supposedly edited out some of the more weird/controversial stuff. My price tracker says the Asian Saga box set on Amazon jumped from £35 to £70 on the day the show started. Motherfuckers. 
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Chances are your dad or an uncle probably has a copy of it
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You can just not engage with the worst dregs of humanity. Sometimes it feels like that possibility gets forgotten. If some rear end in a top hat chud's awful take is coloring your experience or opinion on a show, that is 100% your own fault. I know it's not the goon way, but you also may be surprised to know that many aspects of life can be enhanced by not seeking out online idiots and their wrong opinions.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Chances are your dad or an uncle probably has a copy of it When there was talk of this version being made a few years ago, I bought my mother a copy of the original miniseries on blu-ray as a birthday gift because she loved it so much. She's been re-watching it in tandem with the new series and she's told me a couple of times now that the new show blows both the 80s mini AND the novel out of the water it's that well done.
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nine-gear crow posted:When there was talk of this version being made a few years ago, I bought my mother a copy of the original miniseries on blu-ray as a birthday gift because she loved it so much. She's been re-watching it in tandem with the new series and she's told me a couple of times now that the new show blows both the 80s mini AND the novel out of the water it's that well done. I like the show better too so far even if I liked a few of the book versions of scenes better. The book lets you understand the characters a little better in a way that visual media can't, by actually explaining what's going on in their head, but that's not a fault of the show. If the show sticks the landing and the rest of it as as good as the first four episodes, it'll probably supplant the book for me.
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Sierra Nevadan posted:I want to do the same, but the only copies I can find are split into two parts and have supposedly edited out some of the more weird/controversial stuff. Do we still have to be coy about Blackthorne-like activities around here? Just in case: you guys should check out Anna's library. It's got a pretty huge archive
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Jamwad Hilder posted:Chances are your dad or an uncle probably has a copy of it I'm watching this show because I remember seeing a library copy of Shogun at home in the 80s but I never read it.
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Semisomnum posted:Do we still have to be coy about Blackthorne-like activities around here? Just in case: you guys should check out Anna's library. It's got a pretty huge archive Look I think Anna Sawai is great as well but there's no need to go rifling through her library, celebrities deserve their privacy too!
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