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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Yup. They even had a baby-sized urn ready to go. babies are generally pretty incompetent
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Goatse James Bond posted:babies are generally pretty incompetent The baby probably pissed all over Toranaga the first time Fuji showed him off to the court so he had to go too. Dude was like "gently caress that baby  "
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"the scene is WAY better in the books!" is often just gatekeeping dickery by people wanting recognition that their book fandom makes them super cool opposed to these show tourists who just don't understand, bro
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Mar 14, 2024 23:42
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Book readers are desperate for everyone to know that they read the book.
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Semisomnum posted:Anna's library. It's got a pretty huge archive Thank you, this is awesome
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There are also probably a million paperback copies scattered around used bookstores for a few dollars if anyone is looking for a physical book.
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Cojawfee posted:Book readers are desperate for everyone to know that they read the book. I'll have you know that I recently bought the books. Because my well worn novel disappeared and only after I bought this whole collection did my friend say oh I still have yours, gonna give it back. 
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I like how they desperately wanted to show off Shogun so people know what to look for, so they put the books backwards.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:27
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Those books were photographed by an absolute psychopath.
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Mar 15, 2024 01:28
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They are definitely not stacked that way on my shelf lol
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Cojawfee posted:Book readers are desperate for everyone to know that they read the book. The way I see it, the book rules, and the show rules, and book readers (or most of them anyway) are excited to talk about which version of certain events they liked better. Some people are definitely weird about it though.
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mossyfisk posted:Those books were photographed by an absolute psychopath. Yeah like maybe put the books in the correct order on the shelf so the spines make sense but pull Shogun out so you can see the cover
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Mantle posted:I'm watching this show because I remember seeing a library copy of Shogun at home in the 80s but I never read it. My grandmother was totally obsessed with Shogun and the rest of the Asian Saga. She must've read those books a hundred times. She also categorically would not allow me to read them when I was 10-12, and I sorta forgot about the whole thing until this thread. Reading/watching in her memory 
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Vampire Panties posted:Reading/watching in her memory Hell yeah, gonna watch the episodes again just for your Grandma (and also me  )
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The way I see it, the book rules, and the show rules, and book readers (or most of them anyway) are excited to talk about which version of certain events they liked better. Some people are definitely weird about it though. I meant more in general. The book readers in this thread have been fine. But for other shows, book readers will butt into speculative conversation with their bOoK kNoWlEdGe and it's really annoying.
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withak posted:There are also probably a million paperback copies scattered around used bookstores for a few dollars if anyone is looking for a physical book. It's been years since I was there, but Powell's in Portland had an entire shelf of Clavell's novels (those chunky spines are easy to spot from a distance. Same with the James Michener shelf) ranging from grandpa's old, taped-up, tobacco-stained 2nd edition hardback copy of Shogun for $2 to brand new paperbacks of all the books. That's where I got my untouched 1987 mass-market paperback of Whirlwind. Any used bookstore is bound to have some copies. Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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For the record I am a book reader and I am better than anyone who is not.
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It's one of the three novels I have ever read twice. (The other two being The Great Gatsby and Catcher in the Rye; make of that what you will.) First time I was 16, loved it. Second time I was 31, after I had read all the other Asian Saga books over the years, and still enjoyed it, but not as much. I think I got Clavell burnout after that. There's only so much Great Man historical fiction I can take. And I held off watching Shogun until I started hearing the hype for how good it was. I was not expecting much going in so I am very much pleasantly surprised and just how drat good they've made it.
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I said it before but if you like Shogun I always recommend you read Taiko by Eiji Yoshikawa if you get the chance. It's a different tone but it's all about Hideyoshi, and it more or less leads directly into this time period. That's another one of my favorite works about this general time period.
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I read Musahi, by the same author, about 10 years ago. It begins with the aftermath of Sekigahara, and runs from there -- sometimes running uphill in a storm as a way to cure a cold? I might be remembering that wrong. Anyway, good book. Though the serialization nature of its publication is kinda obvious. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It allows the reader to dip in and out if needed.
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:It's one of the three novels I have ever read twice. (The other two being The Great Gatsby and Catcher in the Rye; make of that what you will.) well i guess you have 33% acceptable taste i loving despise holden caulfield
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Goatse James Bond posted:well i guess you have 33% acceptable taste Admittedly that one I read again because I had to read for high school, and rushed it. Second time around I still failed to see how deep Holden was supposed to be. Maybe that's the point?
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Jamwad Hilder posted:The way I see it, the book rules, and the show rules, and book readers (or most of them anyway) are excited to talk about which version of certain events they liked better. Some people are definitely weird about it though.
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Haven't read the book, but I find it interesting to hear what's changed in the adaptation from fans of it.
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Fujiko: I'm happy to hand Anjin's guns over to your third in command, once I'm out of ammo
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Toranaga: Shogun Blackthorne: Show's goon Fuji: Show gun
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Toranaga: Shogun
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:Toranaga: Shogun Thread title please.
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Mariko: Shag goon
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The use of Japanese and amazing landscapes is sufficiently good to make me wonder how they could do Taipan well. To do it right you should film here in HK for at least a bit, and get tons of local actors. But I can’t believe a historical show portraying HK as a British colony and with a mostly sympathetic view of the British opium smuggler protagonist would get government approval to film. Technically we don’t have the same regime as the mainland but it’s a bit murky these days. E: I would love to see them cast like Tony Leung as Jin Qua or sth though. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Mar 15, 2024 |
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Semisomnum posted:Do we still have to be coy about Blackthorne-like activities around here? Just in case: you guys should check out Anna's library. It's got a pretty huge archive If I visit her library, how will I know which version is sanitized and which isn't? Is there a publication date that I can avoid?
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Lol turns out ajiro village is in the studio parking lot. That's some incredible set and cg work
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Mordja posted:Haven't read the book, but I find it interesting to hear what's changed in the adaptation from fans of it. An interesting, and I think wise, choice the show made was to put the Taiko deathbed flashback at the start of episode two. In the book it happens much later.
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Arglebargle III posted:Lol turns out ajiro village is in the studio parking lot. That's some incredible set and cg work That's straight up amazing, holy poo poo 
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TraderStav posted:If I visit her library, how will I know which version is sanitized and which isn't? Is there a publication date that I can avoid? The only definite identifying feature I can find about the unedited version is a reddit comment that says it includes cutaway scenes to the families of the english prisoners. The poster who found it in their local library may be able to give you more useful identifiers like publisher and date. Best I can offer is that the Ateneum published hardback claims to be a first edition.
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Beefeater1980 posted:The use of Japanese and amazing landscapes is sufficiently good to make me wonder how they could do Taipan well. To do it right you should film here in HK for at least a bit, and get tons of local actors. But I can’t believe a historical show portraying HK as a British colony and with a mostly sympathetic view of the British opium smuggler protagonist would get government approval to film. Technically we don’t have the same regime as the mainland but it’s a bit murky these days. I'm already mad that whoever they cast as Gordon Chen isn't stroking his giant hairs coming out of his mole. They already cast the perfect Dirk Struan in the 1986 film though https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Brown
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Beefeater1980 posted:The use of Japanese and amazing landscapes is sufficiently good to make me wonder how they could do Taipan well. To do it right you should film here in HK for at least a bit, and get tons of local actors. But I can’t believe a historical show portraying HK as a British colony and with a mostly sympathetic view of the British opium smuggler protagonist would get government approval to film. Technically we don’t have the same regime as the mainland but it’s a bit murky these days. Shōgun is probably the better literary work, but Tai-Pan has always been my favorite and if I get to see it on screen with the same quality as Shōgun, well, I don’t really have the words.
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Is there a digital edition/kindle edition of this book where parts haven't been cut out for some weird reason by the publisher?
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Nice Tuckpointing! posted:An interesting, and I think wise, choice the show made was to put the Taiko deathbed flashback at the start of episode two. In the book it happens much later. so the Taiko- is that supposed to be Nobunaga? This is maybe the first time I'm absorbing media about Sengoku/Edo Japan, that isn't primarily Japanese- super interesting to contrast to (generally pretty studious and accurate) manga and (balls-out wild and inaccurate) video games im more familiar with
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