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Rappaport posted:Serial killer chit-chat, the Dahmer Netflix miniseries was good, it portrayed him as the weird goober that he was, and the cops as mostly awful morons. Mindhunter is great too, maybe one of my favorite shows recently. For anyone as clueless as I was, it's about the feds interviewing serial killers (they come up with the name) and trying to document and classify their behavior. Some of it would be seen as BS later, but the more rigorous approach is still a huge change compared to what was happening before. Based on the real thing, IIRC.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:It was very well made but man by the end I was questioning if we really needed a well made Dahmer show, or if I needed to watch it. It was extremely disturbing.
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Nervous posted:I remember my commute times got shorter for some reason. Traffic was amaaaaaazing on the E47
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Rappaport posted:Serial killer chit-chat, the Dahmer Netflix miniseries was good, it portrayed him as the weird goober that he was, and the cops as mostly awful morons. yeah, most of these guys are weird goober proto goons OR just weird reactionary assholes who are deeply hosed up from birth or child hood.
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:It was very well made but man by the end I was questioning if we really needed a well made Dahmer show, or if I needed to watch it. It was extremely disturbing. Well yeah, it's a well-made adaptation of real world events. If someone's going in expecting a whimsical take on the material, I'm not sure what the response to that should be
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Nervous posted:I remember my commute times got shorter for some reason. Did you eat all the other commuters?
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FlamingLiberal posted:Like I don't think the Zodiac case is going to ever get solved at this point. All of the potential suspects are now dead I believe, and I'm not sure if there is any surviving DNA evidence from the crime scenes. I think another aspect now is the computers are all interconnected. So if you put into your computer: women, age, and how they died it will pull up other similar cases and police are (maybe) quicker to put all of it together.
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Rappaport posted:Well yeah, it's a well-made adaptation of real world events. If someone's going in expecting a whimsical take on the material, I'm not sure what the response to that should be I mean I knew what to expect, I just question if we needed this story made into a TV series. Near the end when people were making sensational comics or whatever and the show seemed to be criticizing people making a cash grab when it comes to what Dahmer did it seemed incoherent. Unless that was supposed to read as self aware, which to me it didn’t.
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Xand_Man posted:Lemme see, March 2020, what was I doing then? I was experiencing the fun of being one of the first Covid cases in the northeast, at a time when there was barely ways to test for it let alone treat it. That was fun.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:I was experiencing the fun of being one of the first Covid cases in the northeast, at a time when there was barely ways to test for it let alone treat it. That was fun. Thank you for your service, Patient Zero
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I mean I knew what to expect, I just question if we needed this story made into a TV series. Near the end when people were making sensational comics or whatever and the show seemed to be criticizing people making a cash grab when it comes to what Dahmer did it seemed incoherent. Unless that was supposed to read as self aware, which to me it didn’t. To pick a random example, I know there's people who genuinely think Homelander is the hero of his story, and I'm still not sure if the goon whose shtick was insisting Stormfront wasn't a nazi until the girls beat her was doing a funny or not, but I don't really see the moral hazard here. Dahmer the netflix show wasn't glorifying him, or trying to "understand" him in any sympathetic way IMO. He was shown doing awful poo poo, repeatedly, and the systems that purport to exist to stop folks like him failing miserably and also repeatedly. Are we really afraid this would have a perceptibly larger risk of making susceptible people "snap" than any "true crime" docudrama? Finagle knows there's dozens of those.
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Rappaport posted:To pick a random example, I know there's people who genuinely think Homelander is the hero of his story, and I'm still not sure if the goon whose shtick was insisting Stormfront wasn't a nazi until the girls beat her was doing a funny or not, but I don't really see the moral hazard here. Dahmer the netflix show wasn't glorifying him, or trying to "understand" him in any sympathetic way IMO. He was shown doing awful poo poo, repeatedly, and the systems that purport to exist to stop folks like him failing miserably and also repeatedly. Are we really afraid this would have a perceptibly larger risk of making susceptible people "snap" than any "true crime" docudrama? Finagle knows there's dozens of those. Yeah this is something different from a problematic character like Homelander. And I’m not saying it’s going to make anybody snap. I’m not even really sure I think Dahmer shouldn’t have been made. It’s just one of the first shows I’ve watched where by the end I’m like “this was well made, I don’t think there are any choices made that should’ve been changed, and I’m just really disturbed and wonder why this is considered entertainment.” But, like, I sat there and watched the whole thing. So I was entertained on some level, because it’s not like I had to. Maybe it’s just self reflection and not wanting to be entertained by something like Dahmer.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. they still exist and are still doing horrible crimes, but the ones that did it for imfamy and stuff just do mass shootings now because its quicker and easier. Kind of like how there's a whole class of political assassination that basically doesn't happen anymore (at least not here in the U.S.) because the angry, disaffected young dudes looking to make a political statement just shoot up Walmarts and houses of worship now.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Kind of like how there's a whole class of political assassination that basically doesn't happen anymore (at least not here in the U.S.) because the angry, disaffected young dudes looking to make a political statement just shoot up Walmarts and houses of worship now.
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Fighting Trousers posted:Kind of like how there's a whole class of political assassination that basically doesn't happen anymore (at least not here in the U.S.) because the angry, disaffected young dudes looking to make a political statement just shoot up Walmarts and houses of worship now. Ah, that classic problem, the Travis Bickle Pickle.
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Mooseontheloose posted:I think another aspect now is the computers are all interconnected. So if you put into your computer: women, age, and how they died it will pull up other similar cases and police are (maybe) quicker to put all of it together. I think the percentage of murders that lead to an arrest is declining. Part of that is probably that it's getting harder for police to arrest someone with minimal evidence, but we already know that they don't do their jobs. I wonder if anything would happen if some progressive prosecutor hired staff to investigate unsolved crimes and ran on "look at all the murders the police were too lazy to solve".
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FlamingLiberal posted:Well it used to be that you could walk right up to Presidents and just shoot them if you wanted. That happened way too often. It feels like we didn't take Presidential assassinations seriously until JFK. I think it wasn’t until two failed attempts on Gerald Ford in quick succession in 1975 that there were major changes to security. plogo fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Mar 18, 2024 |
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Yeah this is something different from a problematic character like Homelander. And I’m not saying it’s going to make anybody snap. I think we're on the same page, mostly. It is a differently disturbing experience than gruesome fiction, and I'm not sure I'd want to re-visit the show again. Maybe entertainment is the wrong word for something like this. Is a devout Christian entertained by the Passion of the Christ? But anyway, this tangent started (sort of) by the conversation about how serial killers are portrayed in fiction like Dexter vs. how the real murderers actually are.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. they still exist and are still doing horrible crimes, but the ones that did it for imfamy and stuff just do mass shootings now because its quicker and easier. It's also a lot harder to get away with two murders and then continue to the third one these days. The likelihood that they will find your DNA on both sites and start a manhunt is pretty good. And everyone carries a cellphone these days so you might get caught while attempting the first murder. It's hard to become a celebrated serial killer if they catch you before you get a good streak going, Netflix don't give participation trophies y'know.
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Nenonen posted:It's also a lot harder to get away with two murders and then continue to the third one these days. The likelihood that they will find your DNA on both sites and start a manhunt is pretty good. And everyone carries a cellphone these days so you might get caught while attempting the first murder. It's hard to become a celebrated serial killer if they catch you before you get a good streak going, Netflix don't give participation trophies y'know. People just don't want to serial kill anymore. I blame Millennials.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Then Reagan got shot just outside of his limo It's incredible that Obama survived eight years not getting murdered by some white pride birther gun nut, and a testament to the surveillance state created after 2001.
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plogo posted:I think it wasn’t until two failed attempts on Gerald Ford in quick succession in 1975 that there were major changes to security. I didnt know people tried to whack Ford so a quick trip to wikipedia yields Attempted assassination of Gerald Ford in Sacramento and Attempted assassination of Gerald Ford in San Francisco. Both women, both failed not knowing how guns work, kinda weird. Though only one was a political violence type and the other was a Manson cultist.
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Nenonen posted:It's incredible that Obama survived eight years not getting murdered by some white pride birther gun nut, and a testament to the surveillance state created after 2001. There was that one time an armed nobody accidentally ended up in the same elevator as him. Fortunately that person didn’t want to go down in history
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haveblue posted:There was that one time an armed nobody accidentally ended up in the same elevator as him. Fortunately that person didn’t want to go down in history And the time that someone with a knife jumped the White House fence and almost made it to the White House residence before the Secret Service noticed.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Like I don't think the Zodiac case is going to ever get solved at this point. All of the potential suspects are now dead I believe, and I'm not sure if there is any surviving DNA evidence from the crime scenes. They apparently have an envelope he sent to either the cops or media with DNA on it, iirc. I think they’re just waiting for the technology to get more reliable since it’s a one shot deal.
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Oracle posted:They apparently have an envelope he sent to either the cops or media with DNA on it, iirc. I think they’re just waiting for the technology to get more reliable since it’s a one shot deal. 2180: DNA tests are done on the Zodiac Killer envelope and Ted Cruz's body is exhumed. 
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Nenonen posted:There was also that time that GWB was almost taken out by a pretzel. I'm also still amazed that guy was able to get close enough to throw a shoe at GWB, but I'm sure it's more challenging to keep things secure outside the US. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU0RaRvJ0PQ
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Fighting Trousers posted:Kind of like how there's a whole class of political assassination that basically doesn't happen anymore (at least not here in the U.S.) because the angry, disaffected young dudes looking to make a political statement just shoot up Walmarts and houses of worship now. also the people who are hosed up enough to commit that poo poo usually arnt people with a "better" motivation. they are either weird nihlists who want to blow their brains out but dont want to go alone and so they get into idealizing harris and klebold or whatever,. reactionary weirdos who get fried on /pol/ and want to kill a bunch of "them" or just loving nutjobs who are who are usually a mix of both of the previous but also add on some weird motivation. like the danny phantom shooter who was like 2 hours away from me. Nenonen posted:It's also a lot harder to get away with two murders and then continue to the third one these days. The likelihood that they will find your DNA on both sites and start a manhunt is pretty good. And everyone carries a cellphone these days so you might get caught while attempting the first murder. It's hard to become a celebrated serial killer if they catch you before you get a good streak going, Netflix don't give participation trophies y'know. Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Yeah this is something different from a problematic character like Homelander. And I’m not saying it’s going to make anybody snap. i think the issue of true crime in general is that its extreamly easy to gently caress it up or be exploitive, like LPOTL and couple other shows walk a balanjce of "holy poo poo this is ghoulish and these guys are sad sacks of poo poo" to "look at the families they hurt". the issue is alot of true crime is either just gory details junkie shir, right wing fear monger poo poo, or "actually super killer was just super misunderstood/hero" poo poo. i like jack olsen because he correctly focuses on the victims and their families and the aftermaths but very clearly pains the monsters as human but really pathetic pieces of poo poo.
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Once Jodie Foster stopped ordering people to kill the President, the assassination attempt figures really dropped.Eric Cantonese posted:I'm also still amazed that guy was able to get close enough to throw a shoe at GWB, but I'm sure it's more challenging to keep things secure outside the US. He was a reporter who was sitting in the audience.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:People just don't want to serial kill anymore. i mean i think alot of it is "why go through all the effort when i can just walk into some public place and try to kill as many people before i kill myself, then i will be rememered forever"(unless its an under 10 body count, then no one will care after a day).
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Nenonen posted:It's incredible that Obama survived eight years not getting murdered by some white pride birther gun nut, and a testament to the surveillance state created after 2001. I honestly never thought he was going to live through 8 years when he was elected. It shocked me.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i mean i think alot of it is "why go through all the effort when i can just walk into some public place and try to kill as many people before i kill myself, then i will be rememered forever"(unless its an under 10 body count, then no one will care after a day). Shows that the new generation just doesn't have the attention span to do things properly and demands instant gratification
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:I honestly never thought he was going to live through 8 years when he was elected. It shocked me.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:People just don't want to serial kill anymore. There is this guy who says he has data to show serial killers are operating they're just getting ignored: https://www.forbes.com/sites/metabrown/2017/12/09/data-analytics-takes-on-serial-killers-aspiring-data-scientists-try-this-at-home/
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A tale of two housing policies: Arizona Governor vetoes a bipartisan housing bill over concerns that it isn't "balanced" in considering current homeownership home values and building new housing because it errs too far on the side of new construction. Also, because the Department of Defense objected to increased density and new construction near military bases. The DoD complaint seems like a fig leaf that could easily be changed and it is mostly about appeasing people who are terrified about new housing attracting traffic/crime or reducing property values. https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1769799663010349119 https://twitter.com/brahmresnik/status/1769802308370465074 On the other hand, the WSJ reports on Austin's rapid homebuilding project, but frames it as a negative because rents and home values have fallen 7% since they started allowing significantly more housing construction and engaged in "overbuilding" according to the WSJ. https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1769710393125974503 quote:Once America’s Hottest Housing Market, Austin Is Running in Reverse
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:A tale of two housing policies: No market response to price increases, number go up.
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