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For what it's worth, Cosmo Jarvis really doesn't have a lot of credits to his name and the biggest one is Peaky Blinders (with Tom Hardy). I imagine he's just pulling from what he knows. Seems like he's mostly a singer/songwriter.
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Cosmo jarvis would have probably been a disaster as the straightforward hero in a blackthorne-forward adaptation a la the 80s version. Fortunately he's pretty well suited to being a tom hardy esque lumpy goblin in an ensemble cast
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It is kind of funny then kind of sad then really loving sad that Blackthorn and Buntaro are just having a dick waving contest with sake, ignoring the women who don't think it's a great idea and at first you think hell yeah Englishman you know what you CAN do better than the Japanese? Pour back that BOOOZE, son! But then the fallout of an explosive, mean drunk who happens to also be a dangerous loving samurai manifests itself, so congratulations John. Now who has to end up paying the price for your pig headed hubris? The woman you're falling for, that's who. She's the one who gets beaten. Maybe you should have read the room before pouring kerosene on an open flame.
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Mar 21, 2024 02:14
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I vote for LESS eating scenes.
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Getting extremely poo poo faced drunk is a big part of Japanese culture
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TraderStav posted:In early episodes she does some fantastic eye acting with having them bounce back and forth trying to figure the situation out. I've really noticed how well her non-verbal presence is. Definitely A+ casting here In the book we have almost zero exposure to what Ishido's planning or doing. Martin Alvito is occasionally a POV character but the machinations in Osaka are mostly invisible until they're directly communicated to Toranaga
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hailthefish posted:In the book we have almost zero exposure to what Ishido's planning or doing. Martin Alvito is occasionally a POV character but the machinations in Osaka are mostly invisible until they're directly communicated to Toranaga Thanks, this is where I think the comparisons to GoT start to fall apart. I'm not sure what would be a more apt comparison off the cuff, but having the cloak of war surround the protagonists is a very different feel that GoT. While you got surprises, each character/opposing force was established and fleshed out along the narrative so when the surprise dropped, you put it all together. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out, but glad halfway through I see the disconnect and to stop looking to see what's happening on the other side of the veil.
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I wish they'd portray Ishido a little more sympathetically - I guess there's still time to do so though. He's kind of just been played up as Toranaga's rival (this is how it is in the book too) but the thing that gets glossed over, the main reason he opposes Toranaga so strongly, is because Toranaga is a serious political threat and Ishido firmly backs the young heir of the Taiko. He's taking his role as regent more seriously than anyone else on the council.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I wish they'd portray Ishido a little more sympathetically - I guess there's still time to do so though. He's kind of just been played up as Toranaga's rival (this is how it is in the book too) but the thing that gets glossed over, the main reason he opposes Toranaga so strongly, is because Toranaga is a serious political threat and Ishido firmly backs the young heir of the Taiko. He's taking his role as regent more seriously than anyone else on the council. Yeah, Ishido's equivalent was arguably the good guy of the conflict and Tokugawa was pretty openly amassing power for himself from the get-go. It's just it's called the Tokugawa Shogunate, and not the Toyotomi Shogunate, because he won.
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Mar 21, 2024 02:48
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I don't think toranaga or ishido are portrayed that sympathetically, but that's probably appropriate, they are both absolutely sociopathic schemers. One just happens to see the use in blackthorne, and is generally better at playing the manipulator game
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No Mods No Masters posted:I don't think toranaga or ishido are portrayed that sympathetically, but that's probably appropriate, they are both absolutely sociopathic schemers. One just happens to see the use in blackthorne, and is generally better at playing the manipulator game I think your take is correct if you take a look at it from 10,000 feet, but for most viewers Toranaga is definitely being perceived as "the good guy"
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Lady Ochiba speaks like an anime villain to my untrained ear - is there a term for that manner of speaking? The enunciation seems particularly sharp in comparison to most of the other characters, in a “each syllable is a reminder that I have a dagger to your throat” way.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I wish they'd portray Ishido a little more sympathetically - I guess there's still time to do so though. He's kind of just been played up as Toranaga's rival (this is how it is in the book too) but the thing that gets glossed over, the main reason he opposes Toranaga so strongly, is because Toranaga is a serious political threat and Ishido firmly backs the young heir of the Taiko. He's taking his role as regent more seriously than anyone else on the council. Yea, and I think that's something that's forgotten so far with Toranaga. He's portrayed as a sympathetic character, but he's also amassed a very large army well, he did previous to this episode, captured the mother of the heir and is trying to be, and is, very kind to the heir themselves. He's got a background of being a relative to Shogun, and denies it, but he seems to kind of be doing it anyway. He's consoled with a barbarian that basically just offered him info that hasn't been given to Ishido, because Blackthorne says so and has cannons? I dunno, but i'm getting more and more on Ishido's side.
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Jamwad Hilder posted:I think your take is correct if you take a look at it from 10,000 feet, but for most viewers Toranaga is definitely being perceived as "the good guy" This is part of why I think it could be genuinely interesting to take the story beyond sekigahara. You could take a lot of the bullshit evasive sheen off of toranaga watching him come directly to the point and finally ruthlessly obliterating ochiba and the heir
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No Mods No Masters posted:This is part of why I think it could be genuinely interesting to take the story beyond sekigahara. You could take a lot of the bullshit evasive sheen off of toranaga watching him come directly to the point and finally ruthlessly obliterating ochiba and the heir Yeah it'd loving rule and you'd get good stuff like Sanada Yukimura's "The Hero who appears once a century" defense of Osaka against the Tokugawa clan
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Nybble posted:Lady Ochiba speaks like an anime villain to my untrained ear - is there a term for that manner of speaking? The enunciation seems particularly sharp in comparison to most of the other characters, in a “each syllable is a reminder that I have a dagger to your throat” way. Maybe some variety of an Ojousama? The sort of haughty rich lady who covers her mouth while laughing "ooo-ho-ho-ho-ho" at the peasants. Scoss fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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Ojousama been plottin'
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The Pimps and Hos portion of the plot is essentially unavoidable and I hope it's great when we finally get it on screen.
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Nybble posted:Lady Ochiba speaks like an anime villain to my untrained ear - is there a term for that manner of speaking? The enunciation seems particularly sharp in comparison to most of the other characters, in a “each syllable is a reminder that I have a dagger to your throat” way. That courtly way of speaking comes from old jidaigeki period dramas (and kabuki I suppose). Anime then took that and ran with it. And now here we are seeing it in a modern period drama. Jamwad Hilder posted:The Pimps and Hos portion of the plot is essentially unavoidable and I hope it's great when we finally get it on screen. I'm really looking forward to it. If they do it right, it's going to be devastatingly bittersweet, and a bit gross. edit; wait, I just assumed this was when Blackthorne sees his men again, but you might be referring to something else? Nice Tuckpointing! fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Mar 21, 2024 |
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i assumed it was about toranaga legalizing a red light district in exchange for buying kiku to remove her as a distraction for omi and introduce her as a distraction to blackthorne
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Paper Lion posted:i assumed it was about toranaga legalizing a red light district in exchange for buying kiku to remove her as a distraction for omi and introduce her as a distraction to blackthorne Ah, righto. But there's still definitely hos hanging out with those filthy Dutch guys.
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The actor who plays Ishido is awesome. I find him impossible to look away from. I guess that’s called charisma.
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I guess they must want to do something with kiku considering she is in scenes but she feels like she's living on the borderline of being a cut character so far. And honestly I don't know if she should get a lot of time past the halfway point, having not really invested any before the halfway point
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Yeah, considering how efficient this show has been with who does what when, I'm sure we'll see more of her.
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Hoping one of y'all can clear up something that's been nagging me. They make a deal with the Black Ship that includes Blackthorne staying in Osaka. Then he's just like "nah gently caress that" and takes over the ship and follows them through the blockade and races them out of the harbor. Why is anyone on his ship obeying him in that situation?
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PostNouveau posted:Hoping one of y'all can clear up something that's been nagging me. I would say A. It's the same ship they took through the storm so he pretty much saved all of their lives, and B. they've been working for toranaga so they are themselves very far from safe in osaka and also kinda needed to get away
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No Mods No Masters posted:I would say A. It's the same ship they took through the storm so he pretty much saved all of their lives, and B. they've been working for toranaga so they are themselves very far from safe in osaka and also kinda needed to get away Ahhhh, yeah both those make sense. Thanks!
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(Vin Diesel voice) Because Captain-sama is family.
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Ohana means family, and family means no one is left behind or forgotten.
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I live my life a quarter of a koku at a time. Nothing else matters: not the ship, not the damned Portuguese , not my wife or my children I have never seen. It doesn’t matter if you win by an inch or a league. SHIGATA GA NAI this is my chosen family. The people in this room.
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Ballz posted:I wanna give the actress playing Fuji a shoutout, she really nails the The latest episode of the official podcast has an interview with her, and she talks about how she focused on gestures and looks to compensate for linguistic barriers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwGm3dti5TY Interview starts at about 8:25, but the producers talk about her character for a minute or two beforehand.
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So there's something I've been thinking about but I'm not clear on yet. What would have happened if Yabu actually caught the "spy" he was looking for, the real one or the scapegoat? Could he have gotten away with punishing/killing the spy? How does he tell Toranaga what happened? "Hey boss, I'm still totally loyal to you and would never lie or hide things from you. But also I found the guy that was reporting to you and I boiled him alive so he can't do that anymore. But I don't have anything to hide, I swear!" I know Yabu's playing both sides is kind of an open secret, but it seems like it would be hard to keep up pretenses after that.
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My assumption is that the spy would mysteriously "disappear" or be killed by "bandits", and Yabu and Toranaga would both pretend that they had no idea anything important had happened. The benefit for Yabu would be not having to worry about Toranaga immediately knowing things that Yabu didn't want him to (at least immediately).
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I love the laugh that Toranaga gives when Blackthorne offers him his swords, clearly knowing their true provenance.
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No Mods No Masters posted:This is part of why I think it could be genuinely interesting to take the story beyond sekigahara. You could take a lot of the bullshit evasive sheen off of toranaga watching him come directly to the point and finally ruthlessly obliterating ochiba and the heir William Adams' actual story is honestly also interesting enough to keep going with that thread, yeah. There's definitely something there.
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Scoss posted:I love the laugh that Toranaga gives when Blackthorne offers him his swords, clearly knowing their true provenance. "Tell the Anjin that I accept his mall kiosk swords"
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The final twist is revealing those same swords ended up in Stringer Bell's apartment.
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Scoss posted:I love the laugh that Toranaga gives when Blackthorne offers him his swords, clearly knowing their true provenance. Loved this moment. He acknowledges their past but their actions in the moment give the swords a new, more important meaning. Sort of like how Mariko said that words imbue otherwise unimportant things with meaning.
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