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OhFunny: Jun 26, 2013; EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC

Al-Saqr posted:

any details? is it a big bombing or like a limited drone strike?

This is the third day of drone and missile strikes this week.

31 drones were launched at Kiev on Thursday.

Aljazeera reported 60 drones and 90 missiles launched Friday.

Kharkov is still without power. Odessa is on generators.

Over a 1,000 miners trapped underground.

Not sure the size of last night's strike.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:44

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# ? May 26, 2024 11:02

Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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Enjoy posted:

stalin entered into an alliance with nazi germany and jointly invaded their neighbour. at a time when britain and france declared war on the nazis and were fighting to save europe from genocide, stalin continued to trade raw materials to fuel the nazi war machine

You probably won't actually get this through your skull but on the off chance:

1. Stalin tried for years to get literally anyone to sign an anti-Nazi pact with him. Every time he was told to gently caress off. By nations that signed deals with Nazis.
2. He begged Poland to ally with him. Poland told him to gently caress off. He offered a million soldiers to Poland in case of Nazi invasion. Poland told him to gently caress off and signed a treaty with the Nazis, eventually invading Czechoslovakia and annexing part of it.
3. After Poland refused, Stalin asked the UK and France to let him fight the Nazis without Poland's approval. He was told to gently caress off.
4. Stalin didn't invade Poland. Stalin retook territories without a significant Polish population taken by Poland just 10 years ago. When Good Countries do it they call that liberation. Do you also object to Ukraine not being Poland these days? In Polish school I was taught Stalin was evil for taking Ukraine from Poland.
4. As you well know, the US also extensively traded both raw materials and high end goods to the Nazis, but somehow people like you never find an issue with it.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:45

Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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crepeface posted:

here's my copy pasta:

The USSR tried to form an anti-fascist alliance with Britain and France but they refused

Many countries in Europe (Poland, Rumania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Italy, Denmark, Britain, and France) made non-aggression agreements/military alliances with Germany months before the Soviets did

The Polish territories occupied by the Soviets in 1939 were previously part of the Belarussian and Ukrainian SSRs until Piłsudski decided to attack them during the Polish-Soviet War of 1919

Interwar Poland and Finland were fascist dictatorships with concentration camps like the Bereza-Kartuska Prison or the East Karelian concentration camps

The Polish territories occupied by the Soviets in 1939 were not majority Polish (rather Ukrainian, Belarussian, Jewish, Lithuanian, etc.); these minorities within Poland were being oppressed by the Polish state

Poland took part in the partitioning of Lithuania and Czechoslovakia; the USSR returned some of the land like Vilnius to Lithuania

The Polish Government had already fled the country via the Rumanian Bridgehead by the time that the Soviets intervened; so the Polish State literally did not exist

Hitler publicly admitted in a Berlin speech on 3 October 1941 that he was embarrassed that he made the agreement

Socialism good, you can't criticise Stalin for socialism in one country while simultaneously criticising him for his expansionism

The most important reason of them all, it was preferable to giving the Nazis all of Poland. Did you know that of the 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust, over 3 million of them were Polish? The Soviet interventions in Poland, the Baltics, Rumania, Finland, and so on saved possibly millions of lives

beaten but even better

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:46

SplitSoul: Dec 31, 2000

Endman posted:

https://twitter.com/sethharpesq/status/1681912024203251712

It's not there on the Wikipedia page, in fact.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:53

Sancho Banana: Aug 4, 2023; Not to be confused with meat.

lol at calling a non aggression pact between two countries that despised each other an "alliance"

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:53

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

your all forgetting the funniest bit which is the french/british didnt want to help the poles at all and left them high and dry, thereby passing up the chance to defeat germany early because they were afraid of a lil bit of property damage and basically got themselves invaded and taken over all said n done. as a result they got bombed the hell out lol by the blitz+ allied bombing of france lol.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:57

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

the french had 4x-8x as many troops and a 40x artillery advantage but just sat around like a few miles from the border

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:59

Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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Homeless Friend posted:

your all forgetting the funniest bit which is the french/british didnt want to help the poles at all and left them high and dry, thereby passing up the chance to defeat germany early because they were afraid of a lil bit of property damage and basically got themselves invaded and taken over all said n done. as a result they got bombed the hell out lol by the blitz+ allied bombing of france lol.

I don't know Hastings' ability as a historian, though his stuff was easy enough to read that a lot of it stuck with me. In Bomber Command, he makes the point of British fighting against Germany prior to the invasion of France.

One sortie. They did one sortie, and then went "job's done".

# ? Mar 24, 2024 12:59

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

weird how all the responsibility for actually fighting the nazis just so happens to fall on the soviets, wonder why that is :thunk:

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:03

Enjoy: Apr 18, 2009

Cerebral Bore posted:

weird how all the responsibility for actually fighting the nazis just so happens to fall on the soviets, wonder why that is

i think everyone had a responsibility to fight the nazis, and france and britain beat the soviets to it by a year

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# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:06

Al-Saqr: Nov 11, 2007; One Day I Will Return To Your Side.

the only real miscalculation done by stalin was that he underestimted how much the french were coward bitches.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:12

tristeham: Jul 31, 2022

speng31b posted:

congrats on finally working up the courage to post an epic tweet at the stalin loving red army admirers itt

lol

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:16

fanfic insert: Nov 4, 2009

crepeface posted:

here's my copy pasta:

The USSR tried to form an anti-fascist alliance with Britain and France but they refused

Many countries in Europe (Poland, Rumania, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Italy, Denmark, Britain, and France) made non-aggression agreements/military alliances with Germany months before the Soviets did

The Polish territories occupied by the Soviets in 1939 were previously part of the Belarussian and Ukrainian SSRs until Piłsudski decided to attack them during the Polish-Soviet War of 1919

Interwar Poland and Finland were fascist dictatorships with concentration camps like the Bereza-Kartuska Prison or the East Karelian concentration camps

The Polish territories occupied by the Soviets in 1939 were not majority Polish (rather Ukrainian, Belarussian, Jewish, Lithuanian, etc.); these minorities within Poland were being oppressed by the Polish state

Poland took part in the partitioning of Lithuania and Czechoslovakia; the USSR returned some of the land like Vilnius to Lithuania

The Polish Government had already fled the country via the Rumanian Bridgehead by the time that the Soviets intervened; so the Polish State literally did not exist

Hitler publicly admitted in a Berlin speech on 3 October 1941 that he was embarrassed that he made the agreement

Socialism good, you can't criticise Stalin for socialism in one country while simultaneously criticising him for his expansionism

The most important reason of them all, it was preferable to giving the Nazis all of Poland. Did you know that of the 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust, over 3 million of them were Polish? The Soviet interventions in Poland, the Baltics, Rumania, Finland, and so on saved possibly millions of lives

Endman posted:

�between the lines� lmfao

We�re out and proud Stalin appreciators ITT, friend

DaysBefore posted:

The Red Army ftmfw

crepeface posted:

stalin ftw

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:16

Jel Shaker: Apr 19, 2003

Al-Saqr posted:

the only real miscalculation done by stalin was that he underestimted how much the french were coward bitches.

they were itching to be taken over

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:19

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SplitSoul posted:

It's not there on the Wikipedia page, in fact.

literally edited out a few hours ago by a wikipedia janitor

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:39

Marenghi: Oct 16, 2008; Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you

Blaisedell posted:

Stalin was 70% good, 30% bad. Gorbachev was an idiot.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:41

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I will add that of the 30% of the time Stalin made a wrong choice, it was mostly when he trusted libs.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:44

Soapy_Bumslap: Jun 19, 2013; We're gonna need a bigger chode; Grimey Drawer

Lmao he isn't going to read it he's trolling

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:45

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

Homeless Friend posted:

your all forgetting the funniest bit which is the french/british didnt want to help the poles at all and left them high and dry, thereby passing up the chance to defeat germany early because they were afraid of a lil bit of property damage and basically got themselves invaded and taken over all said n done. as a result they got bombed the hell out lol by the blitz+ allied bombing of france lol.

Even funnier (not funny but very sad/enraging) because the French did cross the border in force and realised how weak the Germans were around Alsace but then withdrew and did nothing until they got decisively owned in the Low Countries a year later. But yes surely this is the fault of the Soviets

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:50

Zeppelin Insanity: Oct 28, 2009; Wahnsinn
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DaysBefore posted:

Even funnier (not funny but very sad/enraging) because the French did cross the border in force and realised how weak the Germans were around Alsace but then withdrew and did nothing until they got decisively owned in the Low Countries a year later. But yes surely this is the fault of the Soviets

In a roundabout way it is the fault of communists for failing to seize power in France, UK, Germany, Poland, Italy and the US :ussr:

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:55

DaysBefore: Jan 24, 2019

The incompetence of the French generals and doctrine is stunning even in a war with a lot of incompetent generals and plans on all sides

# ? Mar 24, 2024 13:55

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

It's impossible to convince liberals of any of this because no amount of evidence meets their standard of proof. They're still like that, today, about the Phoenix Program and MKULTRA.

Over a decade of "we don't torture" and then "enhanced interrogation is not torture" and "extraordinary rendition is not us torturing" which then shifts overnight into "we tortured some folks" and combined with "look forwards, not backwards" and poof that's it.

You can't convince them of it because they don't want it to be true because of what it implies about them and their worldview. You need a literal reeducation camp like the Soviets and North Koreans used to change this.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:07

CODChimera: Jan 29, 2009

America bad

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:11

Orange Devil: Oct 1, 2010; Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Blaisedell posted:

it's inscribed on cspam's banners:

Stalin was 70% good, 30% bad. Gorbachev was an idiot.

This is only when talking to actual leftists.

When talking to liberals Stalin didn't do a single thing wrong in his entire life. Same with Mao.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:18

Ardennes: May 12, 2002

The whole discussion over ISIS or not is pretty hilarious considering they were on a highway directly going to the Ukrainian border and the Russians already said they probably had some coordination from that side.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:29

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Weka posted:

A cursory google search suggests the taboo extends throughout central Asia. It is also in south Asia.

It's possible they just hung the flag the wrong way, something I read said the photo was from after the attack so they may have been in a rush. It's thin justification but who knows

Even here, the left hand is �sinister�. You wouldn�t shake hands, wave, or salute with your left hand.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:41

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

Even here, the left hand is �sinister�. You wouldn�t shake hands, wave, or salute with your left hand.

I would, wtf

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:42

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

If, after a tipoff to Russia that there might be an extremist attack, an extremist attack by Islamic extremists occurs, ISIS claims outright that they did the attack, and the attack was in a country (Russia) where Islamic extremists have conducted multiple terror attacks in the past several decades, then sometimes a third party international terror attack is just a terror attack and not some weird chess move by Ukraine.

While it might be a political move to say "actually, this was Ukraine-coordinated" or generically blame the instability of the Ukraine war for allowing such an attack to occur (i.e. resources pulled away from counter-terror or security work because of war with Ukraine), I bet Russia's professional security and intel apparatus isn't stupid enough to look at all that and decide that actually this attack is not about ISIS; this was a Ukraine-coordinated plot.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:44

Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

cool now tell us who did nordstream

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:48

mlmp08: Jul 11, 2004; Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration; Nap Ghost

I still don't know, but if a group put out a video saying they did it with video of them doing it, I'd take that into consideration.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:50

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

mlmp08 posted:

If, after a tipoff to Russia that there might be an extremist attack, an extremist attack by Islamic extremists occurs, ISIS claims outright that they did the attack, and the attack was in a country (Russia) where Islamic extremists have conducted multiple terror attacks in the past several decades, then sometimes a third party international terror attack is just a terror attack and not some weird chess move by Ukraine.

While it might be a political move to say "actually, this was Ukraine-coordinated" or generically blame the instability of the Ukraine war for allowing such an attack to occur (i.e. resources pulled away from counter-terror or security work because of war with Ukraine), I bet Russia's professional security and intel apparatus isn't stupid enough to look at all that and decide that actually this attack is not about ISIS; this was a Ukraine-coordinated plot.

if, after the US president says he'll stop nordstream, nordstream gets stopped, the US/allies are smugly celebrating the attack and the attack is on a planet (Earth) where US black ops have conducted multiple terrorist attacks in the past several decades, then sometimes a international terror attack is just a terror attack and not some weird chess move by russia

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:52

Comrade Koba: Jul 2, 2007

glory to our martyrs, abu bandera and mykola al-galiziyya

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:54

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

oh, i forgot the golden rule when dealing with this stupid dickhead: stfu mlmp

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:54

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Zeppelin Insanity posted:

I don't know Hastings' ability as a historian, though his stuff was easy enough to read that a lot of it stuck with me. In Bomber Command, he makes the point of British fighting against Germany prior to the invasion of France.

One sortie. They did one sortie, and then went "job's done".

The first year of the western front is literally referred to as the Phoney War because the UK and France barely did poo poo after supposedly declaring war on Germany.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 14:54

Organ Fiend: May 21, 2007; custom title

mlmp08 posted:

I still don't know, but if a group put out a video saying they did it with video of them doing it, I'd take that into consideration.

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1490792461979078662

# ? Mar 24, 2024 15:02

Nix Panicus: Feb 25, 2007

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

Another aspect of liberals is they just cannot or will not conceptualise that the same people are in charge now as in the past.

Even if they acknowledge past US policy was bad, they think current must be good. If you tell them the same people are in charge, they just crash and reboot.

I think part of the reason is the focus on elections as the totality of politics. Especially in the US, eras are measured in presidential administrations, and each new one is completely fresh (even if it's the incumbent that won). Americans conceive of the president as the totality of government, to the point where "the civil service exists" became a scary or absurd conspiracy theory.

lmao that the scary 'deep state' is just the civil service with an absurd puffed up name to make it easier to discount

# ? Mar 24, 2024 15:03

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

mlmp08 posted:

If, after a tipoff to Russia that there might be an extremist attack, an extremist attack by Islamic extremists occurs, ISIS claims outright that they did the attack, and the attack was in a country (Russia) where Islamic extremists have conducted multiple terror attacks in the past several decades, then sometimes a third party international terror attack is just a terror attack and not some weird chess move by Ukraine.

While it might be a political move to say "actually, this was Ukraine-coordinated" or generically blame the instability of the Ukraine war for allowing such an attack to occur (i.e. resources pulled away from counter-terror or security work because of war with Ukraine), I bet Russia's professional security and intel apparatus isn't stupid enough to look at all that and decide that actually this attack is not about ISIS; this was a Ukraine-coordinated plot.

Russian intelligence doesn't have to abide kayfabe you know? They know isis is controlled by the CIA. This is insulting, frankly.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 15:04

genericnick: Dec 26, 2012

mlmp08 posted:

I still don't know, but if a group put out a video saying they did it with video of them doing it, I'd take that into consideration.

# ? Mar 24, 2024 15:07

Corky Romanovsky: Oct 1, 2006; Soiled Meat

SplitSoul posted:

It's not there on the Wikipedia page, in fact.

Wikipedia isn't a static document.

I haven't looked at the entire chain of edits or sources, but here's a idk what is Wikipedia editors call it: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shahab_al-Muhajir&diff=prev&oldid=1159348779&title=Shahab_al-Muhajir&diffonly=1

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# ? May 26, 2024 11:02

Regarde Aduck: Oct 19, 2012; c l o u d k i t t e n; Grimey Drawer

Oh he's just pretending he doesn't understand what proxies are, I see

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