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Also the big difference in approach between GURPS and FATE is with GURPS, all the tools are there and then you take things out to make an implementation, whereas FATE is a very basic framework that needs you to put things in to make an implementation, which is why there's fewer GURPS implementations out there than FATE ones. That and SJG being extremely cautious about licensing nowadays.
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Panzeh posted:What would you be looking for out of the read? Ultimately, the only two 'implementations' that kind of work as standalone books with all the rules are the Basic Books (2) and the Dungeon Fantasy books (4), though GURPS also has a pretty good reputation for having supplements written by people who know a lot about a genre or thing(though fewer of those are done nowadays than were done in the 90s). I'll read the lite PDF that was linked and if I'm still interested I'll look at the Basic Books, thanks both. It's largely academic interest; I'm not that into playing very crunchy systems at the moment but I find most RPGs worthwhile to read and the vast majority contain useful advice or tools or subsystems that change the way I think about RPGs
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GURPS only clicked with me after looking at lots of templates. Get the basics, then browse some implementations (Dungeon Fantasy is good because you probably already know how those archetypes are supposed to work). It's like Legos in that you rarely buy a box of loose Legos, you buy an example that you can change or remake.
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Is there a thread for people seeking critique and comments on a TTRPG they wrote? I started to get into writing some RPGs and am looking to get some eyes on it to see what it needs and can be improved on.
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Chip McFuck posted:Is there a thread for people seeking critique and comments on a TTRPG they wrote? I started to get into writing some RPGs and am looking to get some eyes on it to see what it needs and can be improved on. I'd try the Game writing workshop thread
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There's a thread for games people are designing: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3581530 There's also a dedicated thread to ask "is there a thread?", lol: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3956452
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Thanks! Don't know how I missed both of those.
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Twobirds posted:GURPS only clicked with me after looking at lots of templates. Get the basics, then browse some implementations (Dungeon Fantasy is good because you probably already know how those archetypes are supposed to work). It's like Legos in that you rarely buy a box of loose Legos, you buy an example that you can change or remake. Yeah this was kind of what I was alluding to when I brought up FATE. I sort of got it from reading fate core but Spirit of the Century was what made it make sense to me
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I went to convention today and played my first TTRPG in a couple decades, Pirate Borg with the Buried in the Bahama's adventure. I didn't particularly enjoy it, which I'll get into, but it was very useful as a way to dip my toes into what it's like to play a game after I've already got some strong opinions just reading... at least three dozen different systems over the past four months. I keep trying to write up my feelings on why I didn't enjoy it so much but it usually dips into arguments I don't really want to get into here so here is a quick and dirty version. There were three core issues, one was we obviously skipped some of the adventure which made it feel incomplete despite being billed as a convention one shot adventure. The second was combat, even when trying to think of and implement ways of it being more interesting, largely boiled to do your damage thing and move on. Finally all the fun I had was doing things that clearly were not the "right" answer as far as the system and adventure were concerned, but the GM letting me do it and adapting so the party wasn't punished too hard for having a character not resolving a situation in the expected manner. And I don't mean I was being silly or detrimental, just trying to find more interesting ways to play out a combat encounter than doing your main damage thing. Part of that may be the adventure though, there were a couple of encounters that would only result in a party kill but you actually only need to survive for a turn or do one specific thing to save you. My initial takeways are if I ever run a game at a convention or for just a single one shot, don't run a game or adventure that involves a lot of combat unless it has a more high level and less granular resolution mechanic. And I think I need to give up on the idea of finding a D&D style dungeon crawling adventure system and instead look something with a different theme but still involves some level of varied monster hunting/dungeon crawling style encounters.
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EightFlyingCars posted:uninown armies fucks, the one campaign i got to play was some of my favourite roleplaying i've ever done Unknown armies is the first rpg where I bulked at the price. It’s $40 for the ebooks, only, and $105 for the physical. Do you really need all 3 books to play?
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Do you really need all 3 books to play? I pirated the core set and only bought the hardcovers after I had a couple campaigns under my belt, like with Esoteric Enterprises.
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nessin posted:I think I need to give up on the idea of finding a D&D style dungeon crawling adventure system and instead look something with a different theme but still involves some level of varied monster hunting/dungeon crawling style encounters. I think the big problem here is that D&D and associated clones have had such an immense market capture of the concept of “monster hunting/dungeon crawling style encounters” that there basically is no alternative that lasted more than one or two books, and/or requires a lot of heavy lifting in building encounters and areas because there aren’t four+ decades of modules and monster manuals to draw from. If you’re fine with a less crunchy system than D&D that’s not necessarily a dealbreaker, (and I’m not even talking a Fate level of lightness here, like the Ars Magica-derived Rune or Burning Wheel-based Torchbearer are out there), but it depends on what exactly you want out of the dungeon crawl concept that D&D is not delivering for you. Do you dislike the specific d20 combat engine, or just want to deemphasize combat overall? If you’re not married to the dungeon bash aesthetic specifically but like it as a framework for picaresque weird mythic encounters, maybe Agon is worth a look.
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Where are people selling or trading 40k/AOS stuff?
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E2M2 posted:Where are people selling or trading 40k/AOS stuff? IRC
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Parkreiner posted:I think the big problem here is that D&D and associated clones have had such an immense market capture of the concept of “monster hunting/dungeon crawling style encounters” that there basically is no alternative that lasted more than one or two books, and/or requires a lot of heavy lifting in building encounters and areas because there aren’t four+ decades of modules and monster manuals to draw from. 13th age is d&d but good, and has eyes of the stone thief which is incredible.
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sebmojo posted:13th age is d&d but good, and has eyes of the stone thief which is incredible. Wait, I thought people here hated 13th Age now?
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Silver2195 posted:Wait, I thought people here hated 13th Age now? Why, exactly?
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Silver2195 posted:Wait, I thought people here hated 13th Age now? Real talk, the dislike for 13th Age is a combination of the awareness of a game's flaws that always comes with playing with it for long enough and Rob Heinsoo deciding Jonathan Tweet needed to be involved in the second edition despite Tweet being pretty universally considered an rear end in a top hat that didn't seem to add that much. 13th Age still has a lot of good points.
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Silver2195 posted:Wait, I thought people here hated 13th Age now? Yeah, nothing's perfect, but i think it's a great spin on dnd and can be thought of as an alternate 5e. I gmd it for like 4 years and it didn't get dull, fights were still fun, characters were powerful and versatile but still vulnerable.
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13th age is a less bad D&D with less problematic creators.
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13th Age is the only RPG on the market that deadnames me and for that I'll never play it again. 
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claw game handjob posted:13th Age is the only RPG on the market that deadnames me and for that I'll never play it again. I will call them up and make them change it to Claw Game Handjob immediately
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Griddle of Love posted:Why, exactly? The big criticisms I tend to see are:
I'm not saying it's uniquely bad, to be clear. You could make similar criticisms (or in some cases opposite criticisms) of many other D&D-adjacent games. But it's a lot less popular now than it was when it came out. Silver2195 fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Mar 24, 2024 |
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Silver2195 posted:The big criticisms I tend to see are: They do seem to be trying to address this in 2e. The alpha packet, irc, moved the martials to using standard A/E/D. But, Johnthan Tweet is working on it so god only knows how the beta in a few weeks come out.
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I just have issues with Tweet, I have no beef with 13th age itself. It's not getting my money so discussion of it is academic at best to me because I no longer pirate games, but there's lots of games people talk about in here I don't own.
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Silver2195 posted:The big criticisms I tend to see are: Aren't they always though? I'm curious about this. Can you go more into detail about 13th Age's Druids and Monks?
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Druids are a build-your-own class. You have three specialty points to spend between offensive magic, healing, animal companions, and animal shaping. Max of two points in any one specialty. It's VERY easy to make a weak druid that doesn't contribute to anything at full-strength comparative to other classes in their respective specialties. Monk is definitely the most complicated class in the game. It's very analogous to FF14's concept of monk, where you're in a stance at any given point, and you have several abilities that can be used in that stance, and using any of those will move you to the next stance in line, locking and unlocking available abilities. It's very strong but easy to choose a bad set of forms. I also wouldn't say it's necessarily more complicated than, say, a bunch of classes in PF2, let alone most classes in 4e. But that's also a matter of those games having way more build options and "pre-game" strategy.
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Helical Nightmares posted:Aren't they always though? I'm curious about this. Can you go more into detail about 13th Age's Druids and Monks? I actually like what I think was the thinking behind the 13th Age Druid. Druids in 3.5 were overpowered because they did too many things; they were full casters with a list containing both element-themed spells and plant/animal-themed spells, and they could spontaneously cast Summon Nature's Ally, and they had wild shape, and they had an animal companion, and they had a few ribbon abilities I don't remember the details of. So how to you make a class that's recognizably a Druid to people familiar with 3.5, but not overpowered? By making it a sort of point-buy-based class, where the only things all Druids have in common are the ribbon abilities.
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The 13th Age druid is funny because, well, say you're making a wizard. You get, for free, automatically, full access to your spell list, full access to certain wizard spell list sub-mechanics like "cyclic", etc. Then on top of that you get to pick three "Talents", each of which might give you some big bonus like maximizing attack spells' damage rolls or spending extra actions to cast spells with improvised bonus effects. Now you go to make a druid. You get, for free... nothing. You're a complete blank slate except that it's got its base defenses and weapon die filled in. Then you pick three talents, and each class is half of some D&D-appropriate druid skill set like shapeshifting, armed combat, nature magic, or healing. So you can be 1.0 of a spellcaster and 0.5 of a shapeshifter, or add 0.5 healing on top of 1.0 shillelagh, or whatever. ...but then you realize you haven't actually gotten talents!! You had to spend all your resources on clawing your way up to basic proficiency in the first place, but that basic proficiency isn't actually better than what anyone else gets right out of the box!
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That's because Tweet hates druids and only put them in the game because he felt he had to, same with monks, he thinks they're overpowered.
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To be clear, when I said I didn't like the thinking behind it, I didn't mean that it actually worked out well. They nerfed the Druid a little too hard (despite the Wizard still being quite strong, though not to 3.5 levels).
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Everway owns. I don't know what y'all are on about. Tarot Star Trek forever!
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Kwyndig posted:That's because Tweet hates druids and only put them in the game because he felt he had to, same with monks, he thinks they're overpowered. Do you mean that Tweet hates Druids for being overpowered, and also hates Monks for some other reason? Or does Tweet actually believe that Monks have ever been overpowered?
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Tweet believes both classes are overpowered. Nobody said he was a good game designer.
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I just went and picked up the Avatar the Last Airbender TTRPG from a con. Haven’t even opened it up yet, but I’m wondering if folks have any experience with how it plays?
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13A adept shifter druid makes lizard brain happy because hee hee hoo hoo stacking templates and optimizing stat bonus builds
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Kwyndig posted:Tweet believes both classes are overpowered. Nobody said he was a good game designer. This is why I honestly was happy he left...and so mad Rob Heinso thinks his worthless rear end was worth keeping. Regalingualius posted:I just went and picked up the Avatar the Last Airbender TTRPG from a con. Haven’t even opened it up yet, but I’m wondering if folks have any experience with how it plays? It is a good game. Some people have complained that it doesn't focus enough on martial arts and bending, but I don't mind. It is focused first and foremost on teenage drama and developing as a person. In that, it succeeds very well. The big quirks, in my opinion, are two things. The first is that, despite having an order of operations, all actions in combat resolve simultaneously. It feels weird there is even an order to how to reveal actions if there is no initiative present in your action choice. It feels like there once was an initiative action and that was cut, but the order mechanic was kept. Secondly, balance can be annoying because every character has a unique two values per each playbook. Masks A New Generation had everyone share the same labels to make it easy to keep track of them all and come up with ways of influencing them. By giving everyone their own principles, it can be a lot for the GM to keep track of in larger groups.
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I learned about Tweet's shittiness right after purchasing Over the Edge 3e.
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He was an ok dude up until his wife died and he turned part chud. Was he lovely before then? I can remember talking to him about half orcs and being weirded out about his answer but later I reached out via Facebook and he had a whole different approach to life.
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