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Hammerite posted:what is it useful for Photorealistic pornography of from Mack from Cars and Dr.Zaius from Planet of the Apes.
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naem posted:the fine art industry is mostly a form of money laundering Looks like someone here has watched the movie TENET
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Poohs Packin posted:Looks like someone here has watched the movie TENET WHAT I CAN'T HEAR YOU THE CHRISTOPHER NOLAN MOVIE IS PLAYING.
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MrQwerty posted:after watching robots and people with no love for the game solder for years I'll tell you that there's good enough soldering, and then there's poo poo that has touch on it How true this is. I only wish I had the talent myself... All the hakko needles in the world can't improve my work.
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Mar 24, 2024 23:14
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Hammerite posted:what is it useful for Well LLM's, as they are, are good for text generation, question answering, language translation, sentiment analysis, summarization, code generation, tutoring and education, customer service, and research assistance. I use it all the time for all kinds of things.
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Oh not not the Hollywood that's crushed an infinite number of people under the wheels of sexual exploitation, union busting and nepotism! Not the Hollywood that churns out incredibly uncreative sequel after prequel after soft reboot! How could they do this 
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There are probably 30-40 art galleries within an hours driving distance of my place with hundreds of works of original art priced from $300-10,000. The stuff on the higher end is clearly a massive splurge for most people, but its hardly money laundering territory. Most cities have local art scenes and collectors, the vast majority of whom arent using it for laundering money. Im sure at the very top, the ultra wealthy are using it as a way to preserve and transfer wealth but thats a small minority of people. I just think the money laundering thing is a largely cynical take. https://www.theonion.com/man-always-gets-little-rush-out-of-telling-people-john-1819578998
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Mar 24, 2024 23:31
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Hammerite posted:what is it useful for Putting artists out of work to replace them with a soulless facsimile that can produce a vast amount of poo poo.
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Tarkus posted:Well LLM's, as they are, are good for text generation, question answering, language translation, sentiment analysis, summarization, code generation, tutoring and education, customer service, and research assistance. I use it all the time for all kinds of things. i love using tools for education that have no concept of correctness and can just make poo poo up whenever. i also had chatGPT completely fail to identify verbs in the spanish subjunctive the other day. confidently called them imperative. axe all human translators, imo.
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KakerMix posted:Oh not not the Hollywood that's crushed an infinite number of people under the wheels of sexual exploitation, union busting and nepotism! Not the Hollywood that churns out incredibly uncreative sequel after prequel after soft reboot! So... your take on Hollywood studios being relentlessly exploitative and lovely towards their workers is to support something that will just make them even more exploitative and lovely towards their workers? Did you not pay attention to one of the major issues that the unions they are trying to bust brought up in the strikes?
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Poohs Packin posted:Looks like someone here has watched the movie TENET I have a mastwrs digree
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khwarezm posted:So... your take on Hollywood studios being relentlessly exploitative and lovely towards their workers is to support something that will just make them even more exploitative and lovely towards their workers? Did you not pay attention to one of the major issues that the unions they are trying to bust brought up in the strikes? My take is the system is broken and ~AI~ is the latest distraction. It isn't the tool, it isn't the tech, it is the system itself that allows exploitation to an absurd degree. I guess you're ok with the other types of garbage that an industry like Hollywood does, but this time it's a bit too far.
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KakerMix posted:My take is the system is broken and ~AI~ is the latest distraction. It isn't the tool, it isn't the tech, it is the system itself that allows exploitation to an absurd degree. The idea that you can just effortlessly disentangle the the tech from the system that produces it is absurd, AI like this didn't just poof into existence in its current form as some neutral entity, it was built by gigantic tech companies and is being sold to similarly massive enterprises in other industries like entertainment because it promises to do stuff like this, slash the actual human workers out of the process of production to cut costs, confident that people won't care enough if the slop factory gets even sloppier now that its even more disconnected from actual human creativity and skill. If your response to say that you don't care because of other long running scandals in Hollywood, thanks I guess, that's added nothing.
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KakerMix posted:I guess you're ok with the other types of garbage that an industry like Hollywood does, but this time it's a bit too far. It's possible to acknowledge that a system is broken or bad and to also be against things that will make it worse!
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I encourage everyone to try a conversation with chatGPT about a deeper aspect of a subject you are very knowledgeable about, because you probably aren't coming out out of it impressed, and tbh that says a lot to me.
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Prolonged Panorama posted:It's possible to acknowledge that a system is broken or bad and to also be against things that will make it worse! Yes yes yes, we know that there is an inextinguishable fire at the tar pits thats making everyone within a few 100 metres cough blood. But let me remind you, these are the nasty-rear end tar pits that nobody liked in the first place! How many of you have lost livestock to those very pits? So, I say warm yourself by the eternal fire!
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Poohs Packin posted:Yes yes yes, we know that there is an inextinguishable fire at the tar pits thats making everyone within a few 100 metres cough blood. But let me remind you, these are the nasty-rear end tar pits that nobody liked in the first place! How many of you have lost livestock to those very pits? So, I say warm yourself by the eternal fire! I like what this guy is selling!
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syntaxfunction posted:I encourage everyone to try a conversation with chatGPT about a deeper aspect of a subject you are very knowledgeable about, because you probably aren't coming out out of it impressed, and tbh that says a lot to me. the point of these tools isn't that they live up to the hype--it's that they're plausibly useful to the sort of people who subscribe to an executive book summary service.
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Tarkus posted:Well LLM's, as they are, are good for text generation, question answering, language translation, sentiment analysis, summarization, code generation, tutoring and education, customer service, and research assistance. I use it all the time for all kinds of things. Congratulations on being the kind of credulous moron that assumes that a) you actually understand these topics b) the LLM is reliable and correct. Hope you don't do anything important.
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Tarkus posted:Well LLM's, as they are, are good for text generation, question answering, language translation, sentiment analysis, summarization, code generation, tutoring and education, customer service, and research assistance. I use it all the time for all kinds of things. ok but we were talking about Sora, the video-generation thing OpenAI are currently teasing
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syntaxfunction posted:I encourage everyone to try a conversation with chatGPT about a deeper aspect of a subject you are very knowledgeable about, because you probably aren't coming out out of it impressed, and tbh that says a lot to me. Anything technical in my field and it literally tells me to engage a professional consultant lol
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hng good god yallHammerite posted:what is it useful for absolutely nothin
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Duck and Cover posted:
never noticed his tiny boner congrats
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khwarezm posted:The idea that you can just effortlessly disentangle the the tech from the system that produces it is absurd, AI like this didn't just poof into existence in its current form as some neutral entity, it was built by gigantic tech companies and is being sold to similarly massive enterprises in other industries like entertainment because it promises to do stuff like this, slash the actual human workers out of the process of production to cut costs, confident that people won't care enough if the slop factory gets even sloppier now that its even more disconnected from actual human creativity and skill. I don't really want to be that guy saying "wow capitalism sure does suck huh" but the fact that the power is concentrated in the hands of a few dumb as poo poo executives means this was always going to happen. Of course any tool that makes things cheaper is going to be adopted wholesale by the system that directly rewards this. I know where the tech came from, and I know who is buying it. It's a big giant bubble filled with the same braindead idiots that were just shilling NFTs and blockchain and whatever the hell else. If I had my way Hollywood studios would be employee owned which snips all out since employees would never outsource themselves. If I *really* had my way, nobody would have to work so goddamned much to support themselves, but that's me screaming "CAPITALISM!" again. Point out the flaws and complain, highlight the downfall of society, fine, sure, go for it. I just can not believe that this is surprising to anyone at all, this was written in stone long ago. If cheaper in the short term = yes, that's the one thing you can count on in all of this. Generative AI is going to undo these big entertainment companies from the inside out because they are stupid enough to adopt it wholesale which means the tech advances, and soon enough people will be wondering why we need to get entertainment from conglomerates. If they provide soulless dead-eyed AI garbage, why pay them for that privilege when you can generate that yourself? Legislation isn't going to stop this, licensing isn't going to stop this. LLMs (today's "AI" ) is here and it isn't going anywhere. We know how to do it, there isn't anything special about it. If not here, some other nation. If not this company, some other one. If not a company, some guy with a GPU in his apartment. A GPU farm in Ecuador. The information used to train these things is analog, text, pictures, audio, video. You can't stop it, you can't protect that stuff unless you never share it. AI is an overblown mess, but it isn't slashing labor budgets or killing jobs, that's people doing those cuts, making those calls, destroying livelihoods. People in Google are destroying the usefulness of their very own search tool. People at Amazon are the ones selling low-effort AI generated novels on their website. It's a tool that artists use (generative AI is directly built into Photoshop now, don't you know), allow them to do more, extend their creativity. It's also used to con people to go to a lovely Willy Wonka 'experience'. To blame AI is to allow those people making poo poo worse to keep doing it. Also as people have said, never trust an LLM.
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Hammerite posted:what is it useful for How filthy is your imagination?
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Cabal Ties posted:How filthy is your imagination? Just let the avatar speak for itself
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Bouillon Rube posted:scored a sweet non-euclidean comforter at Bed Bath and Beyond right before they closed shop dead Cthulhu sleeps for strange eons all cozy and bundled up
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KakerMix posted:I don't really want to be that guy saying "wow capitalism sure does suck huh" but the fact that the power is concentrated in the hands of a few dumb as poo poo executives means this was always going to happen. Of course any tool that makes things cheaper is going to be adopted wholesale by the system that directly rewards this. I know where the tech came from, and I know who is buying it. It's a big giant bubble filled with the same braindead idiots that were just shilling NFTs and blockchain and whatever the hell else. If I had my way Hollywood studios would be employee owned which snips all out since employees would never outsource themselves. If I *really* had my way, nobody would have to work so goddamned much to support themselves, but that's me screaming "CAPITALISM!" again. Then in the interest of being a person very concerned about capitalism and its effects on people I know well, not to mention myself, I'm still going to hate the effects that Generative AI are going to have, because when studios and the like want to slash the labour force and damage the average worker, they can't just do that automatically, they need the leverage and power to do that, and AI provides it, in that sense something like AI in this form is essentially the sawblade they need to get cutting. This reasoning isn't foreign to Marxism, a lot of the reason Socialist ideology got going in a major way during the 19th century was because the massive development of technology at an unprecedented rate was considerably upending the relationship between the owners of capital and the workers, generally in favour of the owners, who could lesson their need for workers, and skilled labour in particular, as technology improved, degrading the bargaining position of Labour. This process has never actually stopped in a major way since then, and I think we're just entering the newest era of that with things like AI, as I said earlier, these technologies aren't neutral, they never really were even going back to things like mechanization of textiles, but I think generative AI for art is particularly galling because it doesn't even have the argument that its for crucial goods or services where there's tangible quality of life benefits that comes with the greater production behind mechanization despite the costs for the workers, at least with industrially produced clothing the drop in costs for producing the average shirt did carry over to the average consumer and its arguable that it was better for society as a whole as a result. Doing this to intrinsically creative industries turns my stomach, nobody fundamentally needs a decorative picture in the same way they do for clothes, food, housing etc, the main effect will be that artists who make a living off of this will get their livelihoods pulled out from under them, especially in more commercial sectors where a lot of people make an actual living. Soon enough most imagery you see in your day to day life that was made by real people, adverts, product design, and increasingly major corporate entertainment from TV, Films and Videogames, will increasingly be superseded by more and more AI produced content. At the end of the day, I suppose I am just an old man yelling at a cloud but I loving hate this thought, its the very last thing I would want to see automated by AI, it brings to mind a point I saw elsewhere on the internet that its pretty on brand for capitalism to automate away jobs that people would be passionate about in the creative arts instead of the jobs people actually hate.
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hang on gpt4 is acting up I'll have my little essay about how I'm being a mentally ill internet communist the correct way, unlike all you posers, in a minute
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Internet Old One posted:Photorealistic pornography of from Mack from Cars and Dr.Zaius from Planet of the Apes. pretty sure deviantant had that down like 20 years ago pal. you’re just taking jobs away from hardworking lunchpail union vore artists at this point
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Bouillon Rube posted:pretty sure deviantant had that down like 20 years ago pal. you’re just taking jobs away from hardworking lunchpail union vore artists at this point Good. gently caress those elites demanding exorbitant prices for my run of the mill sonic vore requests. Extra for inserting me into the art? You want what for a background? Look I just wanted seven characters and you said "sure but it'll cost more". gently caress.
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Bouillon Rube posted:pretty sure deviantant had that down like 20 years ago pal. you’re just taking jobs away from hardworking lunchpail union vore artists at this point Didn't DeviantArt have some shady changes to their Terms Of Service regarding machine learning some time before AI art clogged up all the tubes of the Internet? lol.
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Bouillon Rube posted:pretty sure deviantant had that down like 20 years ago pal. you’re just taking jobs away from hardworking lunchpail union vore artists at this point I'm really failing to think out of the box here. Let me try harder: The philosophical concept of free will X the color blue as a series of erotic haikus recited by Blippy. We gotta wait until a generation of people raised on 5 hour AI generated Youtube videos comes of age. If we think "Totally Spies" did a number on our generation we haven't seen nothin yet. Or maybe I'm just getting old, in any case I think it won't be any more socially damaging than the dragons X classic cars stuff out there today. I hope. I'm more concerned about what will happen when people start training AI on the perfect series of color, shapes, and sounds to keep a hyperactive toddler entertained and quiet for hours. Internet Old One fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Mar 25, 2024 |
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Blitter posted:Congratulations on being the kind of credulous moron that assumes that a) you actually understand these topics b) the LLM is reliable and correct. Lol, ok. Hammerite posted:ok but we were talking about Sora, the video-generation thing OpenAI are currently teasing Ah, I see. Yeah, even the good ones like sora are next to worthless as they are and look like poo poo. Even image generation, while kind of fun, is more like a slot machine. There's no feeling of intent because there largely isn't one. I don't think Hollywood has anything to worry about from these video generation models right now except for maybe stock footage people. I think that's a genuine concern.
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The execs might be dumb enough to buy Sora being useful but the producers are going to use transformers to do completely typical Hollywood BS like post processing cheap DFX from overseas into something presentable, or making more Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters sequels with the leads post processed into something that doesn't look like they just left their own wake.
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zedprime posted:or making more Indiana Jones and Ghostbusters sequels with the leads post processed into something that doesn't look like they just left their own wake. This is Ghost Egon Spengler erasure
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:This is Ghost Egon Spengler erasure erasure is no less than that abomination deserves
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Smugworth posted:I printed out the big green one using rasterbate on 50 pieces of paper in grey scale and I couldn't figure out how to get rid of the margins but I think it was a good approximation and it stunk 
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AI POETRY SLAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6xor2SLNU It's a 53 minute video which diligently reviews several published collections of AI poetry. Spoiler: the poems are bad The first book "I Am Code" actually has an interesting hook where the authors write about their reasoning and how they went about their experiment and they actually interview several established poets and the videographer admits that although most of the poems are bad a handful are good-ish. Of course the authors did make the LLM churn out more than ten thousand poems and then selected less than 100 for the collection so there was human bias at work in putting the collection together to start with and the good-ish poems are pretty much just the cream skimmed from a slightly more advanced "one million monkeys on typewriters" simulation
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syntaxfunction posted:I encourage everyone to try a conversation with chatGPT about a deeper aspect of a subject you are very knowledgeable about, because you probably aren't coming out out of it impressed, and tbh that says a lot to me. I really hate how "is this just AI output?" is something I have to increasingly think about everything. Images, soon video, any text or information. The AI industry is putting billions into eroding reality with convincing enough fakes. Elukka fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 28, 2024 |
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