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AndrewP posted:The guy in the video above suggested that the ship may have just drifted along its intended course under the main channel of the bridge had they not reversed the engines when it woke back up. Yes but with no instruments to tell you your intended path, what would you do? Assume you won't hit the bridge or try to avoid hitting the bridge altogether by throwing it into reverse?
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dr_rat posted:Even just building a barrier to take that into account would be difficult. Yeah but how much would building a flimsy barrier make you look like youre tackling a problem? Thats more indicative of if it would be done then actual technicals
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Lamar Jackson quarterback of the Baltimore ravens kept saying his catchphrase Big Truss and now this happens to our big truss bridge. We need to find out what he knew and if he was trying to warn us.
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Medullah posted:Nah the only deterrent is a good ship with a gun Just looked it up, an aircraft carrier apparently weights about 100,000 tons. Just going by weight in a collision a cargo ships would win!
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CommieGIR posted:Yes but with no instruments to tell you your intended path, what would you do? Assume you won't hit the bridge or try to avoid hitting the bridge altogether by throwing it into reverse? Yeah totally not throwing blame at all, hitting all the brakes you have seems like the best solution to a layman like me. just more of a potential possibility that tragically did not occur
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AndrewP posted:The guy in the video above suggested that the ship may have just drifted along its intended course under the main channel of the bridge had they not reversed the engines when it woke back up. He was just watching the same low-angle, long-range youtube video we were. No one knows what was actually happening yet.
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It also seems like something the captain only has a few seconds to think about too.
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thunderspanks posted:This is what my city did a few decades ago after an adrift ship had a near miss It's going to get a bit busier there for a bit. The traffic going to the basin is going to suck for the ferry. But ships that large can't go there anyway.
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bolind posted:My armchair analysis: Bridge wasn't closed, the Fire Department didn't even know it had collapsed until like 6 minutes after getting dispatched to a call for a "possible vehicle in the water". https://audiomack.com/aramshabanian...7WlVlMZjvx3n5c8
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Radio! posted:Bridge wasn't closed, the Fire Department didn't even know it had collapsed until like 6 minutes after getting dispatched to a call for a "possible vehicle in the water". It was closed with like a minute or two to spare, except for the DOT guys working on the bridge. https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/1772629105881632880
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HugeGrossBurrito posted:Were trying to stop boats not store our grain buddy
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I'm no harbor master but I thought tug boats were often used in tight passages like this in harbor.
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One of my favorite youtubers is Brick Immortar, who specializes in maritime disasters underpinned by safety oversights or negligence. "lessons learned style video essays" as he puts it. I have 0 doubts he'll eventually cover this, though likely not for a while as he usually sources heavily from NTSB reports. Here's his piece on Sunshine Skyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3htwtaJI2nM
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watch bush start a war
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redshirt posted:I'm no harbor master but I thought tug boats were often used in tight passages like this in harbor. Nah, usually they just help the ship leave the dock and pull away, but the ship was effectively under its own power and already maneuvering so the tugs go off to move the next ship.
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There weren't nearly enough guns involved to stop the out of control captain
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SpannerX posted:It's going to get a bit busier there for a bit. The traffic going to the basin is going to suck for the ferry. But ships that large can't go there anyway. Yeah I'm a bit curious what the shipping traffic increase will be. Also living in a city where a mouse farting in the suburbs will make bridge traffic gridlocked for an hour, I can't even wrap my head about what Baltimore will be dealing with post-collapse. Jesus.
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what we needed here was a good guy with a boat
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:There weren't nearly enough guns involved to stop the out of control captain Only a good guy with a cargo ship can stop a bad guy with an out of control cargo ship.
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MasterSitsu posted:Good mourning Baltimore every day's like an open sore
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dr_rat posted:Also with cargo ships, look how much the bow of the ship can extend in front of where the ship meets the water. the nose under the water also sticks out like a submarine  it makes the ship more efficientbut it's not like a ship is a 100% solid object, it's gonna deform a bit and ride up onto the barrier. whatever anti-ship barrier you make has to be big enough that it stops the ship and stops it far enough away from the bridge supports to be safe. so I don't know that this: thunderspanks posted:This is what my city did a few decades ago after an adrift ship had a near miss is gonna stop a mega-size container ship. (but requiring them to have tugs means you don't need to worry about a full speed impact)
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Please don't make a movie after this with Marky Mark as the protagonist.
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CommieGIR posted:Yes but with no instruments to tell you your intended path, what would you do? Assume you won't hit the bridge or try to avoid hitting the bridge altogether by throwing it into reverse? You do what's called "head-up navigation" and do whatever the hell you can with whatever you have and hope that the thousands of hours the master and pilot have under their belts count for something.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Please don't make a movie after this with Marky Mark as the protagonist. Another one?
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dr_rat posted:Also with cargo ships, look how much the bow of the ship can extend in front of where the ship meets the water. Im no expert on maritime stuff, but have cargo ships always been this large and loaded with shipping containers? Or is it something where everythings been growing over the years like American trucks and SUVs?
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Please don't make a movie after this with Marky Mark as the protagonist. *heavy Boston accent* we have to get these sex assholes to Sri Lanka I dont give a drat about no bridge
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You Are A Werewolf posted:Im no expert on maritime stuff, but have cargo ships always been this large and loaded with shipping containers? Or is it something where everythings been growing over the years like American trucks and SUVs? That ship was literally the largest container ship in the world when it was launched in 2019, if that helps guide you to an answer.
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You Are A Werewolf posted:I’m no expert on maritime stuff, but have cargo ships always been this large and loaded with shipping containers? Or is it something where everything’s been growing over the years like American trucks and SUVs? Kinda steadily growing, but this looks to be a PANAMAX ship (max dimensions you can be and still fit through the Panama canal) which has been around for a while. I think the Knock Noris/Jhare Viking or whatever is still the biggest ship, but it doesn't ship anything anymore if it's even still afloat.
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CommieGIR posted:Nah, usually they just help the ship leave the dock and pull away, but the ship was effectively under its own power and already maneuvering so the tugs go off to move the next ship. posting about tugging is bannable
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Personally I think they should have somehow Tokyo drifted into not hitting the bridge
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thunderspanks posted:That ship was literally the largest container ship in the world when it was launched in 2019, if that helps guide you to an answer. Oh, so they are getting larger. Thanks for the answer 
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Ships are gonna get big as gently caress once the Panama canal dries up and others take its place.
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Jimbone Tallshanks posted:You do what's called "head-up navigation" and do whatever the hell you can with whatever you have and hope that the thousands of hours the master and pilot have under their belts count for something. Which would be great if you had propulsion or steering
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thunderspanks posted:That ship was literally the largest container ship in the world when it was launched in 2019, if that helps guide you to an answer. It's a panamax so no, it wasn't
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Has anyone considered that they should build the bridge out of the stuff they make airplane black boxes out of?
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Klyith posted:the nose under the water also sticks out like a submarine That's a fair point- I don't have any idea what the average CS size entering our port is. I know there is no size limit on paper, excepting that ships with more than a 45 meter draft need special permission. We had the Marco Polo come through a few years back and it was all over the news. But also ships these sizes were not things when those barriers were constructed. I have no doubt (there's already been panic posting on our local subreddit) that someone's going to be talking to the port authority about "but is it good enough?"
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500excf type r posted:It's a panamax so no, it wasn't ok I'll say I was wrong if you can find a better source  https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-england-suffolk-49610297
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thunderspanks posted:ok I'll say I was wrong if you can find a better source Define "largest". Length? Tonnage? Capacity?
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