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Antigravitas posted:When discussing the forces involved in large ships, adjectives like "titantic" are fully appropriate. Even at only 4 knots there's enough energy to gently caress things up beyond repair. Dramatization: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNAPjN1rqcQ
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MononcQc posted:Annotated recording of the 4m40s before impact, showing the ship losing power, regaining it, losing it again, and so on. Wind was apparently blowing from right to left (on the recording).
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They rammed the bridge with the equivalent of 10 Eiffel Towers No, that is not an exaggeration
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quote:Maryland Gov. Wes Moore said crew on the ship were able to issue a "mayday" before colliding into the Francis Scott Key Bridge, which allowed authorities to stop traffic from going on the bridge. I was just wondering this, how much alert they were able to get out. First loss of power (presumably, who knows if they were dealing with any smaller issues on-board ahead of the apparent full-power-outage) to bridge strike was like four and a half minutes? Only so much local authorities could do to make it safe
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Megillah Gorilla posted:There's a picture of the area now that it's sunlight. Those electrical poles ahead of the bridge look like they have more collision protection than the bridge pylons.
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KoRMaK posted:yea our fragile infrastructure is way more terrifying than what politicians are drumming up about tik tok. its a national security issue for how vulnerable train traffic has revealed to be Is it fair to call it “fragile” when it was taken out by basically the worst possible option?
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the video of the ship with the power going off and on before it hits the bridge makes it look like they were trying to shoot one gap and probably could have made it if it hadn't gone out again
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Omnikin posted:I was just wondering this, how much alert they were able to get out. First loss of power (presumably, who knows if they were dealing with any smaller issues on-board ahead of the apparent full-power-outage) to bridge strike was like four and a half minutes? Only so much local authorities could do to make it safe Going by Google maps there are variable message signs on either end so presumably if you gave the dot enough warning they could switch them to a bridge closed sort of message. Not very helpful for anyone on the bridge but maybe they were able to stop a few minutes worth of traffic?
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Rectum? drat near killed em' (the bridge).
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hawowanlawow posted:the video of the ship with the power going off and on before it hits the bridge makes it look like they were trying to shoot one gap and probably could have made it if it hadn't gone out again Unlikely. The channel is 16m deep, and outside of the channel is 8m deep. Dali's draught was 12m at the time. They might have been trying to ground themselves. Beats the hell out of taking out a bridge.
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FuturePastNow posted:Those electrical poles ahead of the bridge look like they have more collision protection than the bridge pylons. Those poles are also more than 50 years newer than the bridge and spaced out wider than the bridge pylons can be.
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Neon Belly posted:Is it fair to call it “fragile” when it was taken out by basically the worst possible option? did a major transport corridor in a major US city collapse because traffic that regularly passes by it had a control issue? Did you happen to see what happened when a train derailed at low speed last year? have you been reading this thread at all in the last year or few noting the literal rusted out infrastructure? condo buildings collapsing? to answer your question, yes its completely fair to say its fragile. with the train derailment in East Palestine it demonstrated how you could nuke a whole city with simple derailers. those trains run right through the middle of many population centers. KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 16:35 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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KoRMaK posted:the infrastructure defender has logged on. this is an offensively privatized brain question Stop trying to view everything through the lens of your own hobbyhorse. That other things are examples of infrastructure in poor upkeep does not mean that this one is, and if “good infrastructure” means “bridge can take a hit from a 100,000+ ton cargo carrier,” I think you’re going to be disappointed with anyone’s infrastructure.
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Phanatic posted:Stop trying to view everything through the lens of your own hobbyhorse. That other things are examples of infrastructure in poor upkeep does not mean that this one is, and if “good infrastructure” means “bridge can take a hit from a 100,000+ ton cargo carrier,” I think you’re going to be disappointed with anyone’s infrastructure. poor upkeep and poor planning is what is causing these. its really putting the blinders on for you to containerize it in your brain and not see a potential systemic, recurring pattern
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KoRMaK posted:there just simply can not be anything done is what you are saying? Please explain how better bridge maintenance would have stopped this from happening. While you're at it, since when has cargo ships hitting bridges been a "systemic, recurring pattern?"
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Again, you're putting on blinders. I said our infrastructure is fragile. Is part of that maintenance, yea sure, but i didn't cite maintenance, im citing planning and mitigation. if traffic that regularly runs under that bridge can cause the whole thing to collapse and shutdown a major corridor it is by definition fragile. The recurring pattern is lack of investment into safety in an environment of pathologically lowering costs. we're in the OSHA thread and still you're not getting how the pursuit of profits is shortcoming safety KoRMaK fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Mar 26, 2024 |
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It reminds me of the Sunshine Skyway collapse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Skyway_Bridge You can see the old and new bridges here. Including the protective dolphins they added for the new one. And the main towers are basically on islands. 
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So just never build bridges ever, then?
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KoRMaK posted:there just simply can not be anything done is what you are saying? The bridge didn't collapse because of poor upkeep. It collapsed because a ship had a major engineering casualty and wasn't able to recover in time. That's an allision that is going to destroy most if not all bridges on the planet. A 100 ton ship moving at four knots is carrying a fuckton of momentum. If there are failures, it's with the ship, and no one will disagree that capitalism has hosed things up beyond repair in that industry.
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Log082 posted:So just never build bridges ever, then? Yes, like helicopters they inherently try to defy gravity and will inevitably fail at it
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Antigravitas posted:When discussing the forces involved in large ships, adjectives like "titantic" are fully appropriate. Even at only 4 knots there's enough energy to gently caress things up beyond repair. So you are saying they should have put icebergs around the bridge? 
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Can't ship here mate 
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Simply build 11 effiel towers to protect the bridge. dunno what you all aren't getting about our options here
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don't talk to kormak about national and international systems of infrastructure until he has had his coffee
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KoRMaK posted:question - is the ship part of a national and international system of infrastructure? Infrastructure is the immobile fixtures of civil engineering, so no
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Mr. Nice! posted:If there are failures, it's with the ship, and no one will disagree that capitalism has hosed things up beyond repair in that industry. I'm pretty sure that you'll find people absolutely willing to disagree that it's capitalism's fault. For example, this guy. 
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I wanted to joke infrastructure weak about this too but the infrastructure weak assessment in this case depends on the outcomes over the next weeks on opening the shipping channel and evaluating road traffic impacts and the ability to do stuff like implement band aids like ferries in weeks instead of months to years. The resultsis probably going to be infrastructure weak but it's an inaccurate joke about what happens when a ship plumb runs into a bridge.
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haveblue posted:Infrastructure is the immobile fixtures of civil engineering, so no It doesn't seem that immobile on the video
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Zero One posted:It reminds me of the Sunshine Skyway collapse. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Skyway_Bridge
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you can see the ships lights cut out for a bit right before it makes contact, having power failures https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...eb3d95ade181c7&
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KoRMaK posted:theoretically, how many of those dolphins would have been needed to arrest the ship? a million? a thousand?
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Dolphins, the sheriffs of the sea
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The Alchemist posted:Dolphins, the sheriffs of the sea adab
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KoRMaK posted:theoretically, how many of those dolphins would have been needed to arrest the ship? a million? a thousand? I'm confused, are you arguing that if 1000 dolphins are needed to prevent a freak accident, we should build 1000 dolphins?
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Scholtz posted:I'm confused, are you arguing that if 1000 dolphins are needed to prevent a freak accident, we should build 1000 dolphins? Are you saying we shouldn't? Well maybe like orcas would be more effective since I assume you wouldn't need as many
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mobby_6kl posted:Are you saying we shouldn't? Pilot whales are even more bad rear end, get those instead imo
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Scholtz posted:I'm confused, are you arguing that if 1000 dolphins are needed to prevent a freak accident, we should build 1000 dolphins? They are the unique Allied naval unit, so we might as well use them.
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biden is about to deploy the orcas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiv25vplgL0
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