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Brawnfire posted:"This... This enterprise."
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zoux posted:I see my stele is raising a lot of questions answered by my stele thread title
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CrypticFox posted:Yeah names for objects go way back. The Sumerian king Gudea is known for commissioning a bunch of inscribed statues of himself, and they generally have specific names. One of them (Statue D) was named "The king whose immense power no foreign country can withstand." Makes sense to me, I know people who name any houseplant they hang onto for a year, and given that sailors are often a type of professional who change what ship they're working on it feels like it'd just be flat out more inconvenient to live a life being like "I spent 2 years on the...uh, the one owned by Jackassicus, the smaller one not the bigger one." Sick. Also my 'study' of Egyptian history, aka "listening to the history of egypt podcast sometimes," has trained me to treat that name as incredibly stereotypical of Egyptian naming conventions.
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Jazerus posted:thread title Current one is sublime
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Another clerk at a post office I used to work at told me they were a kemhetist. Like with total sincerity.
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Well, Re spends the day sailing across the sky in His solar barque which is named Millions of Years, so we know that at least one Egyptian boat had a name. The one He travels in through the twelve caverns of the Underworld which are the hours of the night has a way less badass name, which is just plain old Night Boat.
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Mad Hamish posted:Well, Re spends the day sailing across the sky in His solar barque which is named Millions of Years, so we know that at least one Egyptian boat had a name.
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Mad Hamish posted:Night Boat. Sounds like an 80s action show
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Brawnfire posted:Sounds like an 80s action show I would watch the hell out of a show about Re solving crimes in the underworld
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Brawnfire posted:Sounds like an 80s action show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoV1-fsFCmw
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That's what it was! My brain works, just not for my benefit!
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"Father Re, why did you name Millions Of Years that?" "Because that's how long I will love them for." "and what of my name, Night Boat?" "same"
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May or may not be related that Norse sagas have even the tea kettle of the gods given a name. Apparently, to cast magical enchantments on an object requires it to have a name you can address it by. Makes sense to me! Also Night Boat strikes me as possibly one of those things where it has a name, but rarely spoken of because it's considered dangerous to speak of it. Hades was apparently rarely directly referred to by name.
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did charon's boat have a name in greek and was it mister rowboato
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Orbs posted:It would make sense for boats to have names, especially big, important ones like triremes. Ships take a lot of effort to build and maintain, and that effort is usually toward a specific intentional purpose. That's the kind of endeavor that always seems to make humans want to go "we should name this thing, this great complex endeavor we're doing." "Stone...uh..henge?" "Fucks sake, Steve, it's not a henge!"
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"Horizon" is such a cool sounding way to remark cultural periods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Periodization_of_pre-Columbian_Peru
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Actually, while I'm thinking of it, the pyramids in ancient Egypt also had names. The Great Pyramid's proper name is Khufu's Horizon, and the name of Djedefre's pyramid (Khufu's successor) is Djedefre's Starry Sky.
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Elissimpark posted:"Stone...uh..henge?" Mad Hamish posted:Actually, while I'm thinking of it, the pyramids in ancient Egypt also had names. The Great Pyramid's proper name is Khufu's Horizon, and the name of Djedefre's pyramid (Khufu's successor) is Djedefre's Starry Sky.
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Interested in the source on that one, since the Iliad namedrops Hades a few times and you'd expect that to be spoken aloud quite a bit. Is it a matter of different names?
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Orbs posted:I wonder what the original name of that monument was, I don't think it was Stonehenge iirc. I bet the original name was way more rad. Possibly, but it might also translate to "The People-What-Live-On-Hills Fancy Circle of Very Big Rocks"
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It was called ENEMY PORTAL
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Orbs posted:I wonder what the original name of that monument was, I don't think it was Stonehenge iirc. I bet the original name was way more rad. No, I think that was an early mediaeval term. And Stonehenge not being a henge proper is a modern thing. Something to do with where the ditches are or something from memory. Mad Hamish posted:Actually, while I'm thinking of it, the pyramids in ancient Egypt also had names. The Great Pyramid's proper name is Khufu's Horizon, and the name of Djedefre's pyramid (Khufu's successor) is Djedefre's Starry Sky. Either '60's British psych bands or strains of hash. (but that's pretty cool, I didn't actually know that!)
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Mister Olympus posted:Interested in the source on that one, since the Iliad namedrops Hades a few times and you'd expect that to be spoken aloud quite a bit. Is it a matter of different names? The Iliad is also full of people getting pierced, slashed, mangled, crushed with pointy rocks, flung down to the dust by the hand of god, etc. The horror of death and the grave is a major theme from the beginning. It’s fitting for Hades himself to be evoked in such a context…but if you believe the Iliad is a divinely inspired work and its conception of the gods is true or mostly true, you probably wouldn’t want it to happen to you. By historical times the name Plouton had come to be used for Hades. Whence Latin Pluto, for example. I don’t think it was a total taboo to say the original name or anything. But like the Furies (or the fairies, or the devil…) it’s better not.
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Orbs posted:I wonder what the original name of that monument was, I don't think it was Stonehenge iirc. I bet the original name was way more rad. According to medieval legend, it was called the Giant's Dance before the British stole it
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Tunicate posted:According to medieval legend, it was called the Giant's Dance before the British stole it I'm intrigued by this, mostly because it introduced me to the idea that parts of other stone rings and "henges" were moved to create new ones. Such as the postulated movement of stones from Waun Mawn stone circle in Wales to Stonehenge. I wonder how often stones were moved, and if it was an act of conquest, religious revivalism, or something else.
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Brawnfire posted:I'm intrigued by this, mostly because it introduced me to the idea that parts of other stone rings and "henges" were moved to create new ones. Such as the postulated movement of stones from Waun Mawn stone circle in Wales to Stonehenge. I wonder how often stones were moved, and if it was an act of conquest, religious revivalism, or something else. stealing cultural artifacts is a proud british tradition
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zoux posted:Current one is sublime
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Brawnfire posted:I'm intrigued by this, mostly because it introduced me to the idea that parts of other stone rings and "henges" were moved to create new ones. Such as the postulated movement of stones from Waun Mawn stone circle in Wales to Stonehenge. I wonder how often stones were moved, and if it was an act of conquest, religious revivalism, or something else. Merlin's orders.
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The new book arguing that enslaved people co-authored the Bible Looks interesting, but I don't know enough about bible history to tell if it's guff or not.
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I haven't read the book but the basic premise doesn't seem too wild, enslaved scribes/copyists were fairly common in the Roman empire, so its not a big leap to think that New Testament authors would have made use of them. Also, the author seems to be a perfectly legitimate academic with the necessary background to write such a book.
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CrypticFox posted:I haven't read the book but the basic premise doesn't seem too wild, enslaved scribes/copyists were fairly common in the Roman empire, so its not a big leap to think that New Testament authors would have made use of them. Also, the author seems to be a perfectly legitimate academic with the necessary background to dictate the book to a scribe.
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I'm now disappointed that I can't think of a hacky scifi short story set in a future where robots have full rights and in a history class everyone is just like "yeah using a typewriter makes you a slaver." TBH it seems odd for the graun to describe this hypothesis as 'shocking.' It makes sense to me that early Christianity would involve enslaved people, because 1) there were a lot of enslaved people and 2) early Christianity was most popular among urban workers which is going to involve people who work frequently with and around slaves.
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Hell, it was popular with slaves.
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Mad Hamish posted:Hell, it was popular with slaves. Yeah, I feel kind of dumb that I couldn't quite make a grammatical sentence that emphasized that while the main popularity of early Christianity was the urban free poor (from what I've read, apologies if I'm wrong), that very much bled into being popular with the urban unfree poor.
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I will be in southeast sicily near Syracuse for 4 weeks in May. What are some ruins I should visit? I will probably do a 1-3 day trip to Palermo but I figure most of my time will be in Central and Eastern Sicily. My preference is off the beaten path type ruins but am happy to do popular tourist spots if the spot is a must see type of place.
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spoon daddy posted:I will be in southeast sicily near Syracuse for 4 weeks in May. What are some ruins I should visit? I will probably do a 1-3 day trip to Palermo but I figure most of my time will be in Central and Eastern Sicily. I had a blast in Syracuse. So many ruins to see and the museums were good for their size. Amazing food of course. Do not pass on Catania. There is a Roman/Greek theater that was well preserved because it got turned into housing and stores. Wonderful views from the cathedrals and the underground ruins were very neat too. Be on the lookout for platters with whacked-off boobies everywhere in street graffiti and statues. It's kinda distracting once you realize what they are. Etna was a lot of fun to up the gondola too. The ruins of Taormina were amazing too however I got stung by a jelly on the beaches there. Then you got Messina. It took a lot of damage during WW2 so the architecture is a lot more modern but there still many impressive buildings and the museum there has a Caravaggio. I immensely enjoyed my week there and was quite happy just going up the easter board. I'd post pictures but it's too much work and I'd have a hard time picking the best shots and would get all depressed because I'm likely never going back to such ancient beauty.
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Been listening to the prehistory season in Tides of History over the past month or so; on all the stuff about Indo-European migrations now. I've just been kind of in a weird state of horror and awe about prehistoric migrations in general? And how it seems like there is actually evidence a lot essentially were genocidal. I remember for a long time being under the impression that human population replacements essentially didn't happen, and movements even where languages changed were seldom more than a ruling elite; European immigration to the Americas spearheaded by disease being one of only a handful of exceptions where it was more total. In recent years I've been reading (although I wouldn't say comprehending) more journals talking about genetic evidence that seems more and more to contradict that and getting pretty confused about my preconception. The podcast's host brought up that this whole set of notions is just a shift in the academic consensus -- a long time back it was vogue to think of every archaeological cultural change as a movement of people. That was pushed against, with later archaeologists arguing material changes were mostly simply material, with people adopting new superficial goods and not being replaced with different people. In recent years a whole bunch of new genetic evidence has come to light* and it's becoming clearer that no, actually people really did move around, a lot, even if in a more complex way than archaeologists of the early 20th century would assume. And more than that, that a lot of these migrating groups had staggering impacts on the genetics of the regions. Farmers near the world over seem to have crowded out foraging peoples before them -- in that instance often not genocidally, but just by nature of being able to support such large populations in comparison that it was essentially genocide as a fait accompli in the end. But some later migrations also seem to be surprisingly destructive and leave staggering marks on genetics without having subsistence strategies that allowed for massively higher populations in the same way. As in, they really did go and kill a huge number of people? I know there was some disparaging of War Before Civilization here but Neolithic wars seem weirdly primordially terrifying. With states the victims are usually sold into slavery and such, and at least their descendants can hope for better someday. In societies without the capacity to take on captives that same way, they just outright murder... and so many groups of peoples seem to essentially die out entirely? I don't know, weird scrambled thoughts in the middle of the night. I'm just finding myself peculiarly shook by the implications of what all these migrations actually mean, and how newer evidence seems to support much more brutal conclusions than what I thought was the consensus in the past. *lots of mind blowing stuff here incidentally -- genetics has come leaps in the past like, 5 years, and a lot of old assumptions are getting overturned
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