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UFOTacoMan
Sep 22, 2005

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By Thomas B. Edsall

Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C., on politics, demographics and inequality.

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On Nov. 5, North Carolina will determine whether a slate of Republican candidates who believe that the 2020 election was stolen, who dismiss Donald Trump’s 88 felony charges and who are eager to be led by the most prodigious liar in the history of the presidency can win in a battleground state.

Pope McCorkle, a Democratic consultant and professor at Duke’s Sanford School of Public Policy, argued in an email that the results of this year’s Republican primary elections on March 5 demonstrate that “the North Carolina G.O.P. is now a MAGA party. With the gubernatorial nomination of Mark Robinson, the N.C. G.O.P. is clearly in the running for the most MAGA party in the nation.”

As they are elsewhere, MAGA leaders in North Carolina are confrontational.

In February 2018, Robinson, the first Black lieutenant governor of the state, described on Facebook his view of survivors of school shootings who then publicly call for gun control. They are “media prosti-tots” who suffer from “the liberal syndrome of rectal cranial inversion mixed with a healthy dose of just plain evil and stupid permeating your hallways.”

In a March 2018 post on Facebook, Robinson declared: “This foolishness about Hitler disarming MILLIONS of Jews and then marching them off to concentration camps is a bunch of hogwash.”

In an October 2021 sermon in a North Carolina church, Robinson told parishioners, “There’s no reason anybody anywhere in America should be telling any child about transgenderism, homosexuality, any of that filth. And yes, I called it filth.”


There are many ways to express MAGA extremism.

On May 13, 2020, Michele Morrow, the Republican nominee for North Carolina superintendent of public schools, responded on X to a suggestion that Barack Obama be sent to the Guantánamo Bay detention camp on charges of treason. Morrow’s counterproposal?

I prefer a Pay Per View of him in front of the firing squad. I do not want to waste another dime on supporting his life. We could make some money back from televising his death.

In Morrow’s world, Obama would be unlikely to die alone. Her treason execution list, according to a report on CNN, includes Gov. Roy Cooper of North Carolina, the former New York governor Andrew Cuomo, Representative Ilhan Omar, Hillary Clinton, Senator Chuck Schumer, Anthony Fauci, Bill Gates and President Biden.

As Morrow put it succinctly on Facebook in 2020: “We need to follow the Constitution’s advice and KILL all TRAITORS!!!”


The mainstream is worried. The North Carolina Chamber of Commerce voiced its concern in a statement on March 8:

Tuesday’s primary election results were a startling warning of the looming threats to North Carolina’s business climate. While we celebrate the victories of Chamber-backed candidates, many of the races we were watching turned for candidates that do not share our vision for North Carolina.

Particularly in Republican races, populist candidates enjoyed great success. In many instances, previously unknown candidates defeated sitting legislators and elected officials with stronger qualifications, pristine voting records and significantly more funding.

North Carolina Republicans have been able to maintain a slim advantage over Democrats, in large part because of the racial gulf between the two parties.

In 2023, according to a University of North Carolina study, white people were a minority of registered Democrats, at 40 percent, and Black voters were a plurality, at 46 percent, with the remainder being Hispanic, Asian American and other ethnicities.

Registered North Carolina Republicans, in contrast, were 88 percent white :thunk:, 2 percent Black, 2 percent Hispanic and the rest other ethnic groups.

The racial divide has turned North Carolina politics into a battle between overwhelmingly white rural counties and increasingly diverse urban centers like Raleigh-Durham, Charlotte, Greensboro and Winston-Salem.

Urban and suburban population growth has given the Democrats some advantage, but there has been a large and expanding difference in white and Black turnout rates.

Democracy North Carolina, a nonpartisan research organization, released a report showing a consistent gap between white and Black turnout in non-presidential-year elections from 2002 to 2022, from a six- to 11-point white advantage through 2020 to a 16-point white advantage in 2022.

The recent rise of MAGA forces in both the Republican electorate and the ranks of the state party has provoked a series of internal disputes, the result of which has been the marginalization of the once dominant establishment wing of the party.

In February 2021, for example, the North Carolina Republican Party censured Senator Richard Burr because he voted to convict Mr. Trump in his second impeachment trial.

In June 2023 the party censured Senator Thom Tillis, a mainstream Republican, for his support of gay rights, some moderate immigration initiatives and gun violence policies.

These intraparty rifts have left many traditional Republicans frustrated with their party. For some, that frustration may drive lower turnout, potentially hurting Trump and far-right conservatives running for state office this year.

Wayne King, a former party vice chairman, warned that the censure of Tillis “sends a terrible message to independents that the N.C. G.O.P. is no longer a big tent party.”

“If it continues,” King added, “North Carolina will become a blue state.”


In many respects, North Carolina stands apart from the rest of the South. Ferrel Guillory, a professor at the University of North Carolina, described by email the bifurcated character of partisanship in the state: “Republican presidential candidates carried North Carolina in 12 of the 14 presidential elections from 1968 to 2020. Over that same period, Democrats won 10 of the 14 elections for governor.”

Republicans hold veto-proof majorities in both branches of the legislature, but Democrats have won every election for attorney general for more than 100 years.

For decades, Democratic strategists have predicted that North Carolina would become a Democratic-leaning state in presidential elections, but these expectations have failed to materialize. The state voted Democratic in 1976, supporting Jimmy Carter, and in 2008, backing Barack Obama, in a very close race (47.7 percent to 47.3 percent). Obama lost North Carolina in 2012.

In an email, McCorkle wrote that ever since the archconservative Jesse Helms retired from the Senate in 2002, “winning Republican statewide candidates emphasized their solid, partisan conservatism while trying to avoid the way that Senator Helms always kept rocking the political boat.”

This, McCorkle added, “was the basic formula pursued by former G.O.P. governors Jim Martin and Pat McCrory, as well as Senator Thom Tillis and former Senator Richard Burr.”

Throughout this period, McCorkle continued, “beneath the surface, the more extreme right-wing spirit of Helms has continued to percolate. Now in the Trump era, it has been magnified and has boiled over inside the Republican electorate.”

This brings us back to Robinson and his nomination for governor this year. McCorkle wrote:

Robinson’s “cultural” positions on such issues as abortion and the repealed “HB2 bathroom bill” against gay rights even go beyond the right-wing stances staked out by Trump. Moreover, with the surprise primary win of Michele Morrow for state school superintendent, the N.C. G.O.P. is testing the outer limits of MAGAism: Morrow ideologically goes beyond Robinson with her background in QAnon theories, characterizing public schools as socialism-woke indoctrination centers and her startling calls for the public execution of Presidents Obama and Biden, as well as Governor Cooper.

McCorkle believes that the combination of Trump, Robinson and Morrow may prove toxic: “These days we don’t usually think of the races below affecting or influencing the presidential one at the top of a ticket. Trump, however, could have his hands more than full with the rest of the Republican ticket.”


There is considerable disagreement concerning the political consequences of the selection of hard-right Republican nominees this time around.

Asher Hildebrand, a professor of public policy at Duke, agreed that “extremist candidates” like Robinson, Morrow and Dan Bishop, the Republican nominee for attorney general, “are absolutely liabilities for the Republican ticket.”

But, Hildebrand cautioned, “whether President Biden reaps the full benefits remains to be seen. Trump remains popular here and will invest heavily in a state he can’t afford to lose.” Hildebrand pointed out that in 2020, “over 100,000 voters split their tickets between Trump and Josh Stein, then the Democratic candidate for attorney general. Robinson may drive this number up without necessarily producing Biden converts.”

“North Carolina is a deep purple state that isn’t turning redder,” Hildebrand wrote, “but it’s turning bluer more slowly than many expected. As a result, it is likely to remain a closely contested — and bitterly divided — state for the foreseeable future.”


David McLennan, a political scientist at Meredith College, was cautious in his assessment of the shift to the right among North Carolina Republicans, noting that he would not characterize the party as “full MAGA.”

But, he added in his email:

the primary voters that put these candidates on the ballot definitely reflect the MAGA ideology. In recent Meredith polls, we found that those with the strongest approval of Donald Trump were the most likely to vote in the primary elections. Put simply, the energy in North Carolina Republican voters reflects the MAGA wing of the party.

McLennan noted that the state’s Republican electorate has

become more conservative over the last decade. At the Meredith Poll, we track political polarization and have found that the median self-described Republican voter in North Carolina has gotten about 10 percent more conservative on policy issues and their level of negativity toward the Democratic Party has gone up by about 15 percent since 2017.

The most recent Meredith poll, conducted Jan. 26 to 31, showed some significant differences between North Carolina Republicans and Democrats.

Asked whether “having a strong leader for America is more important than being a democracy,” Republicans agreed 48.7 percent to 46.3 percent, while Democrats disagreed 62.4 to 34.4 percent.

Asked whether they agree that “our American way of life is disappearing so fast, we may have to use force to save it,” Republicans agreed 61.1 to 31.5 percent, and Democrats disagreed 57.0 to 35.9 percent.

In many respects, demographic trends suggest that North Carolina should be a top target for Democrats. According to the census, the state’s population grew to 10.84 million in 2023 from 8.05 million in 2000.

Among key Democratic constituencies, the nonwhite share of the population grew to 38.5 percent from 28.8 percent over those 23 years, and the percentage with college degrees rose to 33.9 percent from 22.2 percent.

Sarah Treul, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, argued in an email that predictions of a purple North Carolina are overblown:

I think the speculation that the population growth in North Carolina around Raleigh and Charlotte would fuel the success of the Democratic Party was misguided or at least premature.

A lot of the growth around the Research Triangle area, for example, is occurring in suburbs and exurbs that tend to vote more Republican. Places such as Johnston County and northeast Wake County, including Wake Forest and Zebulon, are places seeing massive population growth and are also places where Republicans traditionally perform very well.

Treul wrote that

much of the success of the North Carolina Democratic Party decades ago was built on conservative or at least moderate platforms. As much of the national Democratic Party has shifted its attention to progressive politics, it should not surprise the party that counties that used to be reliably Democratic in the 1990s are now reliably Republican.

Reconnecting with these voters, in Treul’s view, “still needs to be a part of the Democratic Party’s strategy if it wants to win statewide office.”

Candis Watts Smith, a political scientist at Duke, described North Carolina in an email as “a purple state demographically” with a Republican Party that “has moved to the right faster than Democrats have shifted to the left.”

These trends, in Smith’s view, are likely to improve Democratic prospects:

Given the extreme culture-war-focused policy stances that candidates like Robinson are offering, many North Carolina Democrats may be inclined to turn out. If North Carolinians, like many other Americans, are not particularly interested in a rematch of the 2020 presidential election, they may certainly be watchful of down-ballot races — and Biden may benefit from that.

Smith provided data, however, that suggested that the rapid growth of North Carolina, including the influx of many immigrants from other states, has not worked to the advantage of Democrats. She cited a University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, report, “How Have Registered Voters in N.C. Shifted Demographically Over the Past Decade?,” that found that “North Carolina has added nearly one million new registered voters since 2013. In that time span, there has been an increase of over 210,000 new Republican voters, a decrease of over 350,000 Democrats, and an increase of over 960,000 unaffiliated voters.”

Jason Matthew Roberts, a political scientist at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, pointed out that ticket splitting, a practice in decline throughout most of the United States, remains a characteristic of North Carolina politics:

North Carolina voters do regularly split their tickets in statewide and national races. The current governor, Roy Cooper, is a Democrat who has managed to win two terms at the same time that the Republican presidential candidate won the state.


Given that, Roberts maintained,

it is not clear to me that nominees like Robinson and Morrow will necessarily help President Biden. It would not be at all surprising to see Robinson lose the governorship to Josh Stein, the current attorney general, while seeing Trump carry the state in the presidential contest.

Overall, Roberts contended in an email,

there are two countervailing political trends at work in North Carolina. The Research Triangle, or the Raleigh-Durham-Chapel Hill and surrounding suburbs, area is growing very rapidly, and it is also an area that is extremely well educated. Nationwide, we are seeing more educated voters move toward the Democratic Party, and you clearly see that in the Triangle and in Charlotte and its suburbs.

At the same time, a lot of rural voters who traditionally voted for Democrats statewide have started voting more Republican. So far the rural/Republican trend has counterbalanced the Triangle/Democratic trend, and the Republicans have won more times than not in statewide races in recent years.

Anderson Clayton, the new chair of the state Democratic Party, Roberts wrote, “ran on a platform of trying to reach more rural voters. This fall it will be an interesting test to see how effective that strategy has been and to see if the growth trend has been able to overtake the rural trend.”

What is striking is how quickly and completely the North Carolina Republican Party has been taken over by MAGA Trump loyalists who, in turn, have repudiated the old guard.

Michael Bitzer, a professor of politics and history at Catawba College, described the takeover in an email, citing the results of the state’s 2022 and 2024 primary elections.

With this year’s primary election, Trump captured three-quarters of the N.C. Republican primary vote, compared to Haley’s quarter. With that as a base line, you look at the gubernatorial contest, with Trump-endorsed Robinson garnering two-thirds of the primary vote, to one-third for Folwell and Graham, both the non-Trump candidates.

This is comparable to the 2022 Republican nomination for U.S. Senate, where Trump-endorsed Ted Budd and Trump-aligned Mark Walker combined got two-thirds of the primary vote, while former governor Pat McCrory — the more establishment non-Trump Republican — got only a quarter of the vote.

So, Bitzer continued, “in my analysis, the North Carolina Republican Party — in terms of the party’s electorate, as an organization and in its candidates and, in general, its elected officials — is the MAGA/Trump Republican Party of North Carolina.”

The Trumpification of the Republican Party has not led to its dominance. Bitzer pointed to the 2004 election, when George W. Bush won the state by 12 points while Gov. Mike Easley, a Democrat, cruised to re-election by the same margin.

That election stands in contrast to the 2020 contest, Bitzer pointed out, when there was “a point-and-a-half spread between Trump’s 49.9 percent win and Cooper’s 51.5 percent win.”

Bitzer’s description of the current situation amounts to a good description of the 2024 election in the state and the nation as a whole: “North Carolina statewide candidates live on the knife’s edge when it comes to the margins of victory.”

What will be of particular interest this year is whether a MAGA-driven Republican Party that has no interest in reaching out to the center can successfully compete in a state as evenly balanced between left and right as North Carolina.

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the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Kopmala posted:

hello trump thread

i'm here to stay





emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.

titty_baby_ posted:

when they finish the trail linking my town the to next in a few years I'm getting an e bike to ride to work. I'll be able to get from my house to my office almost entirely on bicycle infrastructure

I was able to do that in California, when we lived in Santa Clara and the office was in Los Gatos (or Campbell, can't remember, probably it was both). Non-scary roads and bike paths.

Then when I got a job in Palo Alto I could ride Caltrain from the stop next to the old Apple buildings. I rode a lovely folding bike to there.

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys
i lived in dc for years and in the dc area for even more years and there's no fuckin way it's #8 for pizza

holtemon
May 2, 2019

Dancing is forbidden
I remember when our biggest problem was that dopey gently caress Madison Cawthorn lol those were the days

Kopmala
Mar 28, 2024




wtf Chicago isn't even on that list

what the gently caress

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

emfive posted:

I'm going to be a radical loon and say that I think electric vehicle hype is kind-of silly at present. Of course it would be nice to have less dependence on fossil fuels, but electric vehicles right now really aren't that great, and concentrating on those instead of real mass transit solutions and other stuff about this stupid hosed-up country is a distraction.

yep

kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



eighty eight felony charges you say

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

the milk machine posted:

i lived in dc for years and in the dc area for even more years and there's no fuckin way it's #8 for pizza

For real. There's a couple neopolitan places that are okay but they're also like $30 for a personal pizza so gently caress that

The rest is chain garbage

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!

holtemon posted:

I remember when our biggest problem was that dopey gently caress Madison Cawthorn lol those were the days

that was definitely not our biggest problem at the time lol

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


Kopmala posted:

wtf Chicago isn't even on that list

what the gently caress

Chicago deep dish is loving garbage

Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

Working hard, thank you!

Kopmala posted:

hello trump thread

i'm here to stay

i like to vlog face

in a major way

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


the milk machine posted:

i lived in dc for years and in the dc area for even more years and there's no fuckin way it's #8 for pizza

vocellis owns, though

bene mangia and all that

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

For real. There's a couple neopolitan places that are okay but they're also like $30 for a personal pizza so gently caress that

The rest is chain garbage

yeah. i can think of a few places that are pretty good if you want a pie, but i'd never bother telling people to seek it out. go eat some of the amazing immigrant and fusion food in the area

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


Professor Pope McCorkle

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys

Rudeboy Detective posted:

vocellis owns, though

bene mangia and all that

hmmmmmmmmm..................

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

pizza snobs are insane

Rubellavator
Aug 16, 2007

who makes the best chicken tendies

FunOne
Aug 20, 2000
I am a slimey vat of concentrated stupidity

Fun Shoe

Rubellavator posted:

pizza snobs are insane

I have very strong opinions about my cheesy bread

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


the milk machine posted:

hmmmmmmmmm..................



They were founded by a Turkish guy as “pizza outlet” and then changed the name to Vocelli’s to seem more authentic lmao

the milk machine
Jul 23, 2002

lick my keys
Pizza Outlet is a cool name for a pizza chainn though!

Beached Whale
Jun 27, 2009

The world as will and idea
I had a friend hype up Ledo's for years and then I finally tried it, up there with In n Out as something that people grew up with and have nostalgia for but is objectively not very good

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


come on down to crazy emilio's pizza outlet we got da pies half off all the time our mangia so cheap me nonna call me pazzo pizza

magiccarpet
Jan 3, 2005




Deep dish is just soup in bread

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.
I don't even have to leave the house today to make dinner, I have green beans which I'm going to quick-fry in very hot oil to get the outsides toasted and then I'll cook them with pasta and make a veg "sauce" kind-of

I predict I will eat it while watching Star Trek "Voyager"

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.
I have a full, rich life

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.
There's no good pizza in Austin. There are places in Dallas that are OK.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

the milk machine posted:

hmmmmmmmmm..................



If you want to support a local chain, the only answer is Lost Dog

Their pizza is just okay but their onion rings are delicious and they deliver beer

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


This is a polarized Pizza Outlet, please make sure your pizza plug is properly oriented

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


that sounds like a very voyager kind of meal

I like to pair ds9 with a meal of smashed crispy potatoes and some kind of greasy protein to set the mood

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.

Rudeboy Detective posted:

that sounds like a very voyager kind of meal

I like to pair ds9 with a meal of smashed crispy potatoes and some kind of greasy protein to set the mood

I am going to make sometime soon a potato+cabbage dish that seems to be endemic to Britain (speaking geographically), potato, cabbage, leeks, cheese maybe, dairy milk, all prepared as a slab of mush one way or another

sometimes with boiled eggs

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


I blew off work today and there’s baseball at 4:00

SyRauk
Jun 21, 2007

The Persian Menace

emfive posted:

There's no good pizza in Austin. There are places in Dallas that are OK.

Home Slice?

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

Chicago deep dish is loving garbage

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


kaleedity
Feb 27, 2016



Rubellavator posted:

pizza snobs are insane

actually kind of endearing that someone posts a pizza ranking chart and 90% of the responses are wtf, pizza here sucks rear end

Rudeboy Detective
Apr 28, 2011


slap two of those babies together face to face and you got a meal

emfive
Aug 6, 2011

Hey emfive, this is Alec. I am glad you like the mummy eating the bowl of shitty pasta with a can of 'parm.' I made that image for you way back when. I’m glad you enjoy it.
I've posted this important cooking tip before, but it's Spring so now's a good time for a reminder: if you're making a slab of mush baked dish with cheese, such that there are layers of mush, you can prep a base layer with cheese on top and slam that into the really hot oven for like five minutes to melt that cheese and possibly get a little char on it, then pull it out and add the top layer of mush and cheese and then slam that thing back in the oven for final melting and charring while you high-five all the other mother fuckers hanging around, gently caress yea

holtemon
May 2, 2019

Dancing is forbidden
I'm going to Italian fine dining with my parents tonight hell yeah I might even do something different besides chicken parmesan lol yeah right

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Sherbert Hoover
Dec 12, 2019

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emfive posted:

There's no good pizza in Austin. There are places in Dallas that are OK.

there's lots of good pizza in austin. it's dough, tomato sauce, cheese, and toppings, it's not rocket science.

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