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Funky Valentine posted:Bozja is, so far as I know, the only time we see Garlean lalafell.  The Garlean enemy ranks had all playable races in 1.0 but they kind of simplified that for ARR. They still have lalafell-sized uniforms and the guards aren't immediately suspicious of the appearance of lalafell conscripts when you sneak into Castrum Centri so I can only assume they still number within their ranks off-camera. 
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Having Garleans be racist to lalafell probably cut against the high-level goal of never verbally acknowledging that lalafell are tiny and cute.
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FuturePastNow posted:I don't think Misija is the worst war criminal we see but she might be one of the dumbest. Not disputing any of your other points but I thought Menanaius' legion were known as the island of misfit toys, and that he was similar to Gaius in that he was clearly a war criminal but he naively viewed his actions as a necessary evil in order to empower himself enough to create a different, more inclusive empire for the people under his wing. iirc I think even the other legions regarded them as unorthodox weirdos, Menenaius' crew was the only place where a greasy shirtless 68-year-old Ala Mighan could gain a foothold and rise up the ranks
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As an aside: it's interesting the way we use terms like "war criminal" despite this being a reasonably modern and somewhat technical term - I mean it's totally clear what you mean and I agree. I'm just wondering what the common term you might use for "someone who conducts war with no regard for the sanctity of life, only results" before 1850 or so.
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I'm thinking specifically of Dabog, who was memory wiped and cloned (or uh melded with machines?) and forced to fight his former comrades for the IVth legion as a horrifying metaphysical slave. this all happened years before Misija under Menenaius' supervision
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I actually though it was Noah's legion but I can't remember the details.
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lines posted:As an aside: it's interesting the way we use terms like "war criminal" despite this being a reasonably modern and somewhat technical term - I mean it's totally clear what you mean and I agree. I'm just wondering what the common term you might use for "someone who conducts war with no regard for the sanctity of life, only results" before 1850 or so. Emperor, King and all feudal ranks below that 
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oh, yeah you're right I had completely melded the characters of Noah Gabranth and Menenius in my memory. whoops! it's hard to keep track of everyone when a lot of their development happens in collectable notes. So yeah, I would've said Noah was a war criminal but now I'm reading that Sicinius deceived him when he hypertuned Dabog so idk, it's pretty messy. in any case, I shouldn't be so quick to throw around such a loaded term wrt a fantasy game
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iirc, part of the reason there aren't very many Garlean lalas is that lalas are native to Eorzea, which hasn't been conquered by the empire. You can't have a bunch of conscripts from a place that hasn't been conquered. So they only have a hand full of lalas that moved or grew up outside of Eorzea for some reason.
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Failboattootoot posted:You're not wrong but you are being way weirder about this than they are about Misija.
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like its one thing to talk about wanting to beat up zenos some more or w/e but its another thing to scream in bold text and caps about how much you want to kill some rando sidequest villain most players only half remember the name of. get help
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Endorph posted:like its one thing to talk about wanting to beat up zenos some more or w/e but its another thing to scream in bold text and caps about how much you want to kill some rando sidequest villain most players only half remember the name of. get help GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Mar 31, 2024 |
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Funky Valentine posted:Bozja is, so far as I know, the only time we see Garlean lalafell. Lalafells don't need to be Garlean to be evil war criminals
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and then there's the weird scene with Gabranth at the end where he says he's run out of time because some unspecified something has caught up with him, and then he never appears again do fantasy Nazis go to fantasy South America to hide?
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Galaga Galaxian posted:Windcaller and a Bindi? Good taste. I kinda wish my bindi wasn't completely covered by the bandana. Usually I don't go for much in the way of makeup on my characters, so I've been channeling my frustration with Viera hats into exploring that while I am one.
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God Hole posted:oh, yeah you're right I had completely melded the characters of Noah Gabranth and Menenius in my memory. whoops! it's hard to keep track of everyone when a lot of their development happens in collectable notes. The messiness is one of the things I love about Bozja. They had all that space of Notes and Fates to explore different characters and they used it. I even like Misija as an antagonist, but I think how it was resolved dropped the ball in a way that spoils the taste of the rest of it.
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I was delighted at having another femroe npc to talk to and then all the other stuff happened
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FuturePastNow posted:and then there's the weird scene with Gabranth at the end where he says he's run out of time because some unspecified something has caught up with him, and then he never appears again GilliamYaeger fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Mar 31, 2024 |
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YggiDee posted:I was delighted at having another femroe npc to talk to and then all the other stuff happened and they give her primal form a custom model that looks like an elezen body with a roe head, it doesn't look right at all
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Jetrauben posted:Hell, she jacks Mikoto's Echo in a process highly implied to be very, very spiritually invasive and possibly having a significant cost in lives. I don't have a dog in this ridiculous race but it's worth noting that nero says he wants to yoink wol's echo in his praetorium speech
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Mister Olympus posted:I don't have a dog in this ridiculous race but it's worth noting that nero says he wants to yoink wol's echo in his praetorium speech Did he explicitly state that he wanted to extract it? Or just that they wanted to study and replicate it? I mean, yeah, the latter probably involves the former, but I didn't think that Nero outright said he wanted to stick the Echo vacuum on us.
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the_steve posted:Did he explicitly state that he wanted to extract it? Or just that they wanted to study and replicate it?
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When the mad scientist archetype took up his power armor and death hammer to make a six minute speech about his intent to continue working for the world conquering genocidal empire and that murdering me was a great career move while directly blocking my path to oppose the WMD he helped make operational, well, I knew one day he'd be a really cute and funny fanon gay ship. Hmm, this made me wonder if there are unironic Valens defenders and I don't think I have the courage to blind search it to find out.
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I'm still on board with Jessie Cox's theory that Nero will be the end game villain eventually.
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Doomykins posted:When the mad scientist archetype took up his power armor and death hammer to make a six minute speech about his intent to continue working for the world conquering genocidal empire and that murdering me was a great career move while directly blocking my path to oppose the WMD he helped make operational, well, I knew one day he'd be a really cute and funny fanon gay ship. i legit dont remember, did Valens actually have like, a (badly-reasoned) moral stance or goal? wasn't his entire purpose in life just career advancement? the only thing I remember about Valens is that he was a weirdo and the milk meme. i feel like the Garlean Defenders would go towards someone with actual philosophies, barring the people just trolling.
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Rand Brittain posted:The main distinction is that Misija betrayed, enslaved, mutilated, and murdered people who were supposedly her comrades in arms, as opposed to strangers or enemies, which is the really dirty bit. Again it's bad but the story and the fanbase is Even more sympathetic to way way worse people so calling her out specifically as the worst person ever on screen is stupid.
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Sunday Morning posted:I'm still on board with Jessie Cox's theory that Nero will be the end game villain eventually. Nero's Counterattack
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Her victims were the equivalent of the officers bad mouthing Fordola in all he scenes with Zenos but just on this side of the playing field. There's a lot of bozja that's talking about how the political situation pre garlemald and post imperial break up was very bad for some former nobles and great for a lot of the lower class and how this isn't the clean easy revolution we say on places like Doma. The old society was rotten enough that many were happy to see it fall through. It's why there's a mix of true pieces of poo poo and generally nice and normal people fighting on both sides of the war. Many of the reoccurring fights in both zones would, under different circumstances, probably be people we had befriended and fought alongside and some of the people we fought alongside with were people we would have been actively opposing getting back into power. You got insane pyromaniac wizards on one side and former royal knights talking about the good old days when they could have spit on people like her in the street and that was good and just on the other but you've got loyal honest people that believe in what they're building being better like Pepaga and Lyon fighting against people like us. Her realizing the new world can't be built by the so called comrades that actively look down on her and wish they could mistreat her in the way they used to do to people like her is broadly correct. Her actions after that are hosed up but I don't think it even gets her in the ball park of....a Nidhogg or an Emet Selch or even just a Zenos or Gaius.
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Doomykins posted:Hmm, this made me wonder if there are unironic Valens defenders and I don't think I have the courage to blind search it to find out. I'm not sure on defenders but I checked and there is definitely a contingent of people who have the hots for the guy. Which is wild, to me, but I also found a honest to god Vauthry defender
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I believe Valens started on the bottom of the ladder (as far as native born Garleans go) since they say he 'rose high up the ranks,' so his motivations are probably a pretty simple case of guy who got pushed around being desperate to be the boot himself.
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 Alright, here's what I ended up with for my DRK hotbars (DRK being the class I know the best). I futzed around with the various settings for ages, but this is what I ended up with - this is with Hold crossbars and WXHB and ExXHB. I also have a reminder bar for cooldowns and so forth. I am interested in people's thoughts: this seems to work better for me than any prior attempt, at least. I really wish it was possible to configure the target of the WXHB and the ExXHB on a hotbar-by-hotbar basis: being able to, say, use Hotbar 2 and 3 for the WXHB and ExXHB of Hotbar 1 and then Hotbar 5 and 6 for the same for Hotbar 4 would be really cool, and would give a lot more flexibility. But this is fine I think. A similar setup seems to work on GNB, and I've also managed to make BLM fit into the same paradigm, so that's a promising sign.
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goblin week posted:I'm not sure on defenders but I checked and there is definitely a contingent of people who have the hots for the guy. Which is wild, to me, but I also found a honest to god Vauthry defender I suspect the sweaty shirtless Estinien we got this post-expansion msq was just actually them re-using the sweaty shirtless Valens model from the Werlyt storyline
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Endorph posted:like its one thing to talk about wanting to beat up zenos some more or w/e but its another thing to scream in bold text and caps about how much you want to kill some rando sidequest villain most players only half remember the name of. get help Fondly remembering the Sorrow of Werlyt discourse right now for no particular reason
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Misija probably isn't even in the top 10 worst people to get sympathy or redemption in FFXIV TBH. She is a bad person but she did bad things for a specific goal that makes sense for her as a person and character using the tools she had available and eventually sacrificed herself, but to get into the top 5 in general you probably need to be an Ancient just on the sheer scale of horrifying crimes you were party to.
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I've seen Asahi simps, there is no level of love or hate for a character that can astound me any more.
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YggiDee posted:I've seen Asahi simps, there is no level of love or hate for a character that can astound me any more. I have a good friend who ships Asahi/Hancock. The world is strange.
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lines posted:I have a good friend who ships Asahi/Hancock. The world is strange. Dear god, the two of them together would be so greasy the would have to skate around any room they're in.
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YggiDee posted:I've seen Asahi simps, there is no level of love or hate for a character that can astound me any more. asahi is funny so he's far from the worst to annoy your comfort character with
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the ffxiv community would be much happier if they realized that liking bad characters is funny
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ImpAtom posted:Misija probably isn't even in the top 10 worst people to get sympathy or redemption in FFXIV TBH. She is a bad person but she did bad things for a specific goal that makes sense for her as a person and character using the tools she had available and eventually sacrificed herself, but to get into the top 5 in general you probably need to be an Ancient just on the sheer scale of horrifying crimes you were party to. It's not that her crimes are the worst, it's that she as a person is among the most lacking in positive interpersonal qualities. Misija isn't the most evil, in any utilitarian sense, but she's probably among the most toxic personalities. Nobody likes being betrayed! That's all. It's a perfectly reasonable reason to go "gently caress this lady in particular," especially since a lot of her fans like her most because she's a Mean FemRoe. People have silly emotional responses!
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