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“For isekai watchers” is being used as a shorthand for a group of style and directorial decisions rather than an explicit plan you nimrod.
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Endorph posted:i havent read the original novels so i cant comment on accuracy The new one more accurately renders the LN. quote:But it was inconvenient that Yarei was this year’s Holo. Now Yarei would be locked in a granary stocked with treats until the festival was over—close to a week—and would be impossible to talk to.
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novel posted:“Nothing for it, I suppose…” 仕方ない
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Yeah, I remember Lawrence being much more distant from these kinds of things in the books. He is very much made out to be the type to not have anything to do with whatever local festival is happening, unless he had some business reason to.
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again though even in the original hes not, actively participating, the others are more just actively inviting him into it. that characterization is more interesting when presented in the way the og does imo
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IE: His detachment is highlighted even further by the villagers being so personally welcoming.
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Has there ever been a good remake of anything?
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Feldegast42 posted:Has there ever been a good remake of anything?
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Fruits Basket probably FMA: Brotherhood
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I liked the new first ep and hadn't seen the old series. I'm also a fairly new anime fan, only really seriously watching much in the last couple years since watching about 3 series in college about two decades ago. I just watched the first episode of the old series. I guess I can see what Endorph is saying, but to me it really just sounds like someone expressing a preference for what they grew up on to what's contemporary. And, to be clear, that's fine, but I do think the whole isekai fan framing is kinda hiding the ball.
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i didnt even really grow up with og spice and wolf, i first watched it in like 2014ish. and like i said its not like, one of my favorite series ever.
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I wouldn't count Brotherhood as a "remake" in the way we tend to use that phrase, it's just an adaptation of the same material that focused on being faithful to what the original adaptation didn't cover and condensing the parts that it did.
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Also, The Thing
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Oh, is the new The Thing good? I wasn't even slightly interested but I do like the original.
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Arist posted:I wouldn't count Brotherhood as a "remake" in the way we tend to use that phrase, it's just an adaptation of the same material that focused on being faithful to what the original adaptation didn't cover and condensing the parts that it did. Ironically, Brotherhood vs OG FMA would have a lot in common with the new S&W vs OG S&W. The OG one really diverges from the source material quite a bit, cutting out an entire LN volume over its run. This one (presumably) will be a more faithful rendition.
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Clarste posted:Oh, is the new The Thing good? I wasn't even slightly interested but I do like the original. Apologies for the confusion, I was not saying The Thing (2011) is a good remake of The Thing (1982) (I have heard it is not), I was saying that The Thing (1982) is a good remake of The Thing From Another World (1951)
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i think the last 6-7minutes is actually a bit stronger in S&W (2024) Yarei drunkenly and strongly denouncing Holo to Lawrence with the string music, then meeting Holo after who probably heard it all cause her hearing is OP was done well
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Endorph posted:i didnt even really grow up with og spice and wolf, i first watched it in like 2014ish. and like i said its not like, one of my favorite series ever. Yeah I'm not saying that you're some sort of og spice and wolf fan though, just that you prefer the set of stylistic and creative choices associated with average fantasy anime or light novel adaptations from a little while back more than the set that's common now. And since that set now is common across a lot more than just isekai shows, the whole isekai angle feels like it's taking away from my understanding of your perspective more than it's adding.
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Endorph posted:my ultimate suggestion would just be that if youre curious about this convo watch the first ep of the og and draw your own conclusions. i'll do that tonight i think. ultimately I can't refute any of what you're saying beyond your examples without doing that but i also can't disagree after seeing them? like yeah seeing those examples compared the remake does fall more in line with how modern isekai present themselves. that being said, if the OG took creative liberties with the LNs to make itself more dynamic and this one is more muted to more accurately reflect them then really, both have equal merit for different reasons. i mentioned not watching the original before but i also only began watching anime, christ, 6-7 years ago and not heavily until 2020 so i was far removed from an era that took more liberties and tended to have a different style than the modern anime adaptations which likely colors a good chunk of my perception that there's nothing majorly wrong with episode one
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Feldegast42 posted:Has there ever been a good remake of anything? Paper Mario TTYD Remake GOTY
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technically if you really think about it Holo isekai'd herself into Lawrence's wagon
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symbolic posted:technically if you really think about it Holo isekai'd herself into Lawrence's wagon Travelling by wagon is another world from walking everywhere.
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Had low expectations of anything this season, especially after Frieren was so good, but wow, the Train show's first episode owns. Like, it's impossibly good. Very surreal premise, incredibly smooth and endearing execution.
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I may try this train show. It's not the Shinkalion Mecha Train show, right? The other one?
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watched the first ep of og spice and wolf while eating dinner the writing in the old first ep is more natural. the new one has a habit of feeling like unnatural exposition dumping when talking about events while the old one assumes you're smart enough to figure things out via context. this really shines through in scenes like where craft gets shown the silver, or the flashback with yarei vs the conversation with chloe. style-wise it's a little like comparing apples to oranges - the old one definitely goes off model some but has some neat stylistic choices that the new one eschews in favor of being more straightforward. they painted this really sick giant wolf wicker man adorned with flowers in the background of the festival in the old first ep. in the new one it just turns into like, a small cg wicker wolf decoration fluttering in the breeze and a throwaway shot of a floral arch. the former was striking, the latter really isn't. i don't think this is a nostalgia thing. i don't have nostalgia for the original, and i think they trade blows on art style, but the setup in the old show was absolutely more engaging and better written. it's really interesting because it's such a minor difference, they are so close shot for shot, but i was more enchanted by the old first ep. Southern Cassowary fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 3, 2024 |
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I watched most of the old S+W but dropped it when it felt like the umpteenth episode where there was definitely going to be some character or plot progression, only then no, nothing changed and they were still in the same city. FWIW, I loved the original Kino's Journey and felt it held up on a rewatch just a few years ago, so I don't think it was just the slower pacing.
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symbolic posted:Paper Mario TTYD Remake GOTY however, it does get rid of the SON OF A SUBMARINER line so I must unfortunately dock it down from a perfect score
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https://twitter.com/BonVantius/status/1775025808211603794?t=gC8cNp37r5owBUoHVVVWcQ&s=19
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Arc Hammer posted:I may try this train show. It's not the Shinkalion Mecha Train show, right? The other one? train to the end of the world
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Oh lol Endorph beat me to the moviefight. And picked a bunch of the same shots too. Well hell, might as post it anyway.   Wolf in forest shot is a classic. In 2008 it's distant, looming, inscrutable. In 2024 it's ugly as hell and doing a weird rearing howl for no reason? 2024 feels like a big animal where 2008 feels like a Princess Mononoke god.   So both OPs feature a sad Holo scene about 2/3 ~ 3/4 of the way through, but they differ in I think kind of interesting way. The 2024 scene is a short progression from sad to happy with her ears perking up as it goes (which is why she has all that empty space over her head). The 2008 scene starts with a long shot of her curled up in a chair at night, before cutting in to this close up of her looking absolutely miserable. I don't think I actually agree that 2008's Holo is more gremlinish, at least not as far as this episode goes- there's not a lot of gremlin energy in either version. Where I do think 2024's Holo feels flatter is that 2008 is a lot more interested in playing up her melancholy and yearning, and this is I think emblematic of that.   This scene with the cart inspection outside the church is a lil interesting, not for its content so much as how it starts- 2024 has a short sequence where Lawrence spots the church and makes a couple of curious grunts. 2008 cuts straight into the conversation. I noticed this three, four times in the episode? Where 2024 has expository/scene setting dialogue, or opens a scene with Lawrence looking at a thing or trundling towards, 2008 often prefers to jump directly into the meat of it. 2024 feels a lot more worried about the viewer getting lost between scenes, which feels kinda unnecessary given how straightforward the plot here is.   2024 Holo got loving robbed. Her 2008 version gets a building-sized effigy while she has to make do with tiny little dolls? What a rip-off!       I think in general, whenever it comes to depicting the village and village culture, 2008 beats the ever living piss out out of 2024. 2008 wants the village to glow, to feel vibrant and prosperous and alive. 2024 wants it to dissolve into the landscape.     It's Chloe! Chloe's here. And that guy whose name I've already forgotten. Chloe's pretty compelling, I think? She's got desires and ambitions and an emotional tension with Lawrence. And a cool loving mask, I love thing Guy person doesn't have any of those, I don't think; he's just there to underscore the things the mayor said about the Earl's new farming techniques making the village rich, and how the village has lost faith in Holo as a result. They're also both identified with Holo in some sense- Chloe very explicitly, in a bunch of ways, and the guy with the jerky. I might be stupid but I don't actually know what that association is doing, narratively, in 2024? In 2008 it's obvious: Chloe is the Wrong Holo, jerking Lawrence around to realising that he wants to hang with the cool hot wolf chick that woke in his cart more than her even though she is offering to be everything Holo is in a socially-acceptable package. In 2024, none of that is there, so: ???   Not a serious note but I do like the fact that 2024's coins look like they could plausibly have been stamped out of a die. The 2008 ones look... sculpted?       I do think 2024 does solid work with the "Holo under the moonlight" scenes. Holo is flatter in the dialogue, I'll grant you, but she's incredible in motion. She feels otherworldly, imposing, menacing- like, all the energy the forest wolf god in the OP should have been bringing is present here. It features 2024's only instance of Good Horse Animation. Everything is there. About my only complaint is that 2024 goes for a lot of green in the background where 2008 is very clear that all the light here is blue blue blue.     Back in the mayor's house things are a little more mixed. Holo being revealed as Lawrence drops back into bed is a lot more fun than her popping out from under the covers, and the final shot of her lit up by moonlight is... 2008 picks vulnerable, where 2024 goes with imposing again, and I think vulnerable is the right call. Also, the composition reminds me of Phryne before the Arepagus? Which is a painting I like, so 2008 takes it.
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KOGAHAZAN!! posted:2024 Holo got loving robbed. Her 2008 version gets a building-sized effigy while she has to make do with tiny little dolls? What a rip-off! IMO, I think a dinky Holo effigy/doll is way more appropriate for how little stock they put Holo these days.
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Motto posted:new wolf sucks because her ears are too small this
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The wolf is not spicy enough
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gently caress it im going full contrarian. gremlin Holo sucks, gently caress your rip-off Wicker Man effigy, and Chloe who?
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your heart isnt in this much like spice and wolf 2024
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Endorph posted:your heart isnt in this i know
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as someone only vaguely aware of the name "spice and wolf" those older images pretty universally look more compelling than the newer ones
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Mid 2000s to early 2010s digital painting has a certain style to it. It's more refined than the early digipaint days of the early 2000s. My biggest takeaway from the 2024 pictures is that everything feels kinda washed out and overly soft.
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