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040324_2
Apr 3, 2024
militarized A.I. is a complete pipedream at this point for this planet's bourgeoisie #Baankrupt.

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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Consolidated Ed
Mar 4, 2005
Lineman for Justice

Ham Equity posted:

"This AI thing is a huge time saver, just make sure you verify everything it tells you with other sources..."

If I have to verify it with other sources, wouldn't it just be faster to use those other sources in the first place?

"have a great weekend!" -- liberals, before ending the call and turning off the lights

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

spechtie
Feb 24, 2024


from 1923

spechtie has issued a correction as of 22:31 on Apr 3, 2024

Screaming Idiot
Nov 26, 2007

JUST POSTING WHILE JERKIN' MY GHERKIN SITTIN' IN A PERKINS!

BEATS SELLING MERKINS.

spechtie posted:


from 1923

But did they consider the vast wealth of anime we would have constant access to? Future's not so bad now, huh?

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

spechtie posted:


from 1923

little did they know the only people calling you would be robots who are very concerned about your car warranty, because everyone just texts instead

i am harry
Oct 14, 2003

blastron posted:

Reading the article, there really was an algorithm processing all of that data and identifying people’s purchases. The Indian workers were there to cover for when the algorithm wasn’t able to fully handle everything. As designed, intervention was only supposed to be necessary in 50/1000 of cases.

The punchline is that 700/1000 of cases required intervention.

how the gently caress does an algorithm mess up adding things lmao hahaha what

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


Nichael
Mar 30, 2011


https://x.com/Reuters/status/1775655880127574321?s=20

wow seems smart

Take the plunge! Okay!
Feb 24, 2007




they will make it work by completely nuking the free one and rendering it even more useless

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

they will make it work by completely nuking the free one and rendering it even more useless

Bing is back baby!

Ihmemies
Oct 6, 2012

Take the plunge! Okay! posted:

they will make it work by completely nuking the free one and rendering it even more useless

And I thought that would stop the garbage AI results appearing at search.

ArmedZombie
Jun 6, 2004


kagi search is becoming more viable by the day

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

I feel like this is a soft way to drop it completely because I've been in the experimental trial of this. It sucks poo poo, and they can't sell ads on it.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.
No the plan is to make regular search so unusable and inundated with ai poo poo that you have to use their paid search to find real poo poo.

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN
If a piece of information isn't on Wikipedia or wikiHow it effectively doesn't exist

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

No the plan is to make regular search so unusable and inundated with ai poo poo that you have to use their paid search to find real poo poo.

nah, paid chatbots that may or may not be lying to you

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan
that's like an incel starting to charge for sex

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001
I still don't get how a lot of the companies putting unbelievable amounts of money into AI expect to make money off it. Adobe and Microsoft I can at least see some way as they at least look to be adding it to preexisting paid for services they offer so there's at least like a path for it -although MS 100 billion investment in a dataceter for ai seems insane- but others it really seems to be pour cash into it now and figure out the fiances of it later.

I guess that is pretty common thing in tech investing, but it always seems a bit weird.

Also has anyone ever actually done a study into how much money is made vs lost in all the large investments into new tech start ups?

dr_rat has issued a correction as of 14:59 on Apr 4, 2024

Benagain
Oct 10, 2007

Can you see that I am serious?
Fun Shoe
I think it's also "if we aren't announcing dumping vast sums of money into the latest trend our shareholders will get upset"

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

dr_rat posted:

I still don't get how a lot of the companies putting unbelievable amounts of money into AI expect to make money off it. Adobe and Microsoft I can at least see some way as they at least look to be adding it to preexisting paid for services they offer so there's at least like a path for it -although MS 100 billion investment in a dataceter for ai seems insane- but others it really seems to be pour cash into it now and figure out the fiances of it later.

I guess that is pretty common thing in tech investing, but it always seems a bit weird.

Also has anyone ever actually done a study into how much money is made vs lost in all the large investments into new tech start ups?

Every federal agency is being required to hire an CAIO (Chief AI Officer) so the usual path to profitability of “overcharge the government for things that don’t work” is wide open for AI tech.

Plus OpenAI, Google, Amazon, etc are trying to position themselves on the selling shoves side of the gold rush. Let a thousand startups crash and burn and they’ll be the ones hoovering up the cash.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

ArmedZombie posted:

kagi search is becoming more viable by the day
I pay for it and it sucks rear end

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Heck Yes! Loam! posted:

No the plan is to make regular search so unusable and inundated with ai poo poo that you have to use their paid search to find real poo poo.

They made $240 BILLION on advertising on their search pages last year. They are not going to intentionally kill that for an AI play. Putting the AI search behind a paywall is them drowning it in the bathtub. It'll get no revenue and they'll decommission it in 2 years.

They do not intend for it to be poo poo; they are just incapable of keeping it from being poo poo and also making money off it. They're shoving ads in wherever they possibly can, which makes the product worse.

They've also made a ton of core search algorithm changes aimed at punishing people trying to "trick" Google into giving them good rankings with SEO tactics. This is the part they're failing miserably at. They put out a bunch of guidelines that are like, "Don't write content for Google; write it for users, and we will reward content that helps users," but it's really obvious from all the rankings that they have not figured out how to give good rankings to good content and punish bad content.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

gee who would have thought...
Washington's Lottery AI site turned user photo into porn

mynorthwest.com - Wed, 03 Apr 2024 posted:

A new Washington’s Lottery AI mobile site turned a user’s photo into softcore pornography, forcing them to take the website down “out of an abundance of caution.”

When Megan, a 50-year-old mother based in Tumwater, visited the new AI-powered mobile site from Washington’s Lottery on March 30, she thought she was in for some frivolous fun. Test Drive A Win allows users to digitally throw a dart at a dartboard featuring dream vacations you can pay for with the money you win in the lottery. Depending on where the dart lands, you can either upload a headshot or take one on your phone to upload, and the AI superimposes your image into the vacation spot.

Megan landed on a “swim with the sharks” dream vacation option. She was shocked at one of the AI photos Washington’s Lottery spit out. It was softcore porn.

## How did the the Washington’s Lottery site push out porn?

Megan says she used the in-site option to take a photo of her face to upload. The photo that was created shows a smiling AI version of Megan, but almost completely nude.

In the image, Megan is sitting on a bed, with a bathing suit bottom on, but no top. Her bare breasts are exposed. The background of the image appears to show the bedroom in an aquarium, with fish swimming around her. There is a Washington’s Lottery logo in the bottom right corner.

“Our tax dollars are paying for that! I was completely shocked. It’s disturbing to say the least,” Megan explained to the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH.

Megan feared that the image could potentially get out and that it would happen to another website visitor. She told a friend, who happens to know someone at Washington’s Lottery, what happened.

“I also think whoever was responsible for it should be fired,” she added.

### Washington’s Lottery pulled the site offline

It’s unclear how or why AI created this particular image, given the rules governing the content. The Jason Rantz Show on KTTH could not, of course, authenticate the image. However, a spokesperson for Washington’s Lottery confirmed they received a report that the image was created by the AI system.

Approximately three hours after an inquiry by the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH, Washington’s Lottery pulled the site offline. They also provided a statement.

“We were made aware that a single user of the AI platform was purportedly provided an image that did not adhere to the built-in parameters set by the developers. Prior to launch, we agreed to a comprehensive set of rules to govern image creation, including that people in images be fully clothed. We have not seen the image that the AI provided to this user, but out of an abundance of caution we took the website down,” the spokesperson confirmed to the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH.

The spokesperson did not confirm when they first heard of the issue. He also did not explain why Washington’s Lottery waited until after my inquiry before turning the site offline.

Megan is pleased the site has been removed. She says she hopes any back-end settings that need to be adjusted are, in fact, adjusted.

### UPDATE: 4/2/24, 7:38 p.m.

A spokesman for Washington’s Lottery sent the following statement to the Jason Rantz Show on KTTH Tuesday night:

quote:


We heard about this earlier this week. As soon as we did, we had the developers check all the parameters for the platform and were comfortable with the settings, but after further internal discussions today, we chose to take down the site out of an abundance of caution, as we don’t want something like this purported event to happen again.


JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.


can't fire the computer

oh drat the computer also says my rent has to go up, oh well

i can't have surgery? well, the computer speaketh

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


PostNouveau posted:

They've also made a ton of core search algorithm changes aimed at punishing people trying to "trick" Google into giving them good rankings with SEO tactics. This is the part they're failing miserably at. They put out a bunch of guidelines that are like, "Don't write content for Google; write it for users, and we will reward content that helps users," but it's really obvious from all the rankings that they have not figured out how to give good rankings to good content and punish bad content.

That last part is something I think about all the time. Google has an incentive to make their search work - it's the foundation of their economic legitimacy - but it's a cat and mouse game between them and SEO hucksters, and the SEO hucksters have been winning, and winning hard, the last couple years. LLMs have if anything advantaged the SEO hucksters more than any other group, since "grammatically coherent bullshit" is not useful for a lot of things but it is useful for getting highly ranked in algorithmic search engines.

And yeah it doesn't make much sense for google to pivot from something with low costs and high value to something with high costs and low value. Companies sometimes do that but it's usually smarter to assume they like making a profit.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Tulip posted:

That last part is something I think about all the time. Google has an incentive to make their search work - it's the foundation of their economic legitimacy - but it's a cat and mouse game between them and SEO hucksters, and the SEO hucksters have been winning, and winning hard, the last couple years. LLMs have if anything advantaged the SEO hucksters more than any other group, since "grammatically coherent bullshit" is not useful for a lot of things but it is useful for getting highly ranked in algorithmic search engines.

And yeah it doesn't make much sense for google to pivot from something with low costs and high value to something with high costs and low value. Companies sometimes do that but it's usually smarter to assume they like making a profit.

Well, the problem of SEO hucksters is like 4 or 5 years ago you could rank for just having more words about a subject.

But the issue now seems to be that in an effort to root out the SEO hucksters, Google's algorithm is just garbage. It's not that you get SEO huckster results, you get loving incoherent results now. They pulled some important components out of their hugely complex machine and now it barely functions.

All the school zone lights around me are off when they should be on, so I googled when spring break is for the local schools and the first result was a loving TripAdvisor article from 2018.

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


lol that all the biggies pivoted so seamlessly into this stuff from crypto's bloated corpse

Buck Wildman
Mar 30, 2010

I am Metango, Galactic Governor


there's always a new grift

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

All our male developers tested the revenge porn generator repurposed into a website widget and none of them got drawn with tits out, seems good enough

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:

can't fire the computer

oh drat the computer also says my rent has to go up, oh well

i can't have surgery? well, the computer speaketh

well number was already running everything and sentencing people to death, they're just giving number the ability to talk

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

dr_rat posted:

I still don't get how a lot of the companies putting unbelievable amounts of money into AI expect to make money off it. Adobe and Microsoft I can at least see some way as they at least look to be adding it to preexisting paid for services they offer so there's at least like a path for it -although MS 100 billion investment in a dataceter for ai seems insane- but others it really seems to be pour cash into it now and figure out the fiances of it later.

I guess that is pretty common thing in tech investing, but it always seems a bit weird.

Also has anyone ever actually done a study into how much money is made vs lost in all the large investments into new tech start ups?

the trajectory of “AI” in the last few years genuinely has been amazing so they all assume they’re going to make a ton on their investments and don’t consider that we’ve already hit a plateau

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

eSports Chaebol posted:

the trajectory of “AI” in the last few years genuinely has been amazing so they all assume they’re going to make a ton on their investments and don’t consider that we’ve already hit a plateau

Eh, I don't think we've hit that plateau just yet, there's still lots of regular improvements happening to the current big AI's, but also I don't think we're anywhere near the level of what a lot of what's being promised AI can do, or what corporations are wanting it to do. AI Chat still at heart has no idea what it's output means and there's only so much clever programing and hacks you can do to hide that.

Adobe seems smart on this, as they seem to just be offering it as a powerful image tool, but one that the end user is still expected to look over and correct and modify to make the output fit for end use. Well that's exactly the level of AI were at now, so they don't even have to over promise anything.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,
my personal hot take is that an LLM probably really could be AI with one small tweak: allow it to dynamically recalculate the weights in its model based on user input. hey it would probably only take a few terawatts of continuous power to do this today!

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

eSports Chaebol posted:

my personal hot take is that an LLM probably really could be AI with one small tweak: allow it to dynamically recalculate the weights in its model based on user input. hey it would probably only take a few terawatts of continuous power to do this today!

Look pretty sure fission reactors will be perfected any day now, so might as well just class that extreme power use as a solved problem.

Lets start shipping this tomorrow!

Edit: Wait we need to be realistic about this. Tomorrows a saturday, ship it on monday.

Insanite
Aug 30, 2005

mawarannahr posted:

I pay for it and it sucks rear end

that's because you're searching the internet, which is bad now

Biplane
Jul 18, 2005

eSports Chaebol posted:

my personal hot take is that an LLM probably really could be AI with one small tweak: allow it to dynamically recalculate the weights in its model based on user input. hey it would probably only take a few terawatts of continuous power to do this today!

I read all of the wikipedia articles about the AIs in the Halo video games, and I think youre on to something

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Biplane posted:

I read all of the wikipedia articles about the AIs in the Halo video games, and I think youre on to something

it is canonical that john halo's suit sucks him off

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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

eSports Chaebol posted:

my personal hot take is that an LLM probably really could be AI with one small tweak: allow it to dynamically recalculate the weights in its model based on user input. hey it would probably only take a few terawatts of continuous power to do this today!

"How do you dynamically recalculate weights in a useful way" is basically just saying make it an AI. LLMs are not, and will not, be true GAI.

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