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I contend that the post is so pitch accurate to real weeb things I've heard on this website that I cannot be expected to assess it for sarcasm
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It's kind of like how a lot of Japanese media has a term that gets translated a lot as 'fortune hunter', literally someone who is 'going out to seek their fortune', basically the conception of an adventurer. This is how Samus got labelled as a 'bounty hunter' in the original Metroid when her actual thing is just meant to be 'fortune hunter', a generic space adventurer. But honestly mercenary sounds fine to me as Cloud's job description? The only alternatives I would even consider are 'sword-for-hire' or 'sellsword'.
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deoju posted:When I hear "merc," I think some blackwater gently caress in a balaclava ready to mow down a bus full of kids for a nickel. It's actually funny that i had this playing while reading this post https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLFlZRMOUwk
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Cloud is a girl Friday
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The only consideration is whether or not the word fits Barret's lines. Get down here, merc.
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bewilderment posted:This is how Samus got labelled as a 'bounty hunter' in the original Metroid when her actual thing is just meant to be 'fortune hunter', a generic space adventurer. deets fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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Dang it. I just came back to rebirth after a month away and now I'm in danger of bouncing off of it because Fort Condor is kicking my rear end. And there's a hard mode somehow? Gods I suck at lane defense games. ChrisBTY fucked around with this message at 11:21 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:"Authentic" translation time, just have them say "do everything man". Or nandemoya with a Translator's Note about how it's impossible to convey this in another language More literally it means "anything shop." As in, you can pay them to do anything. Which is almost exactly what "mercenary" means in English, although merc has another more literal sense as well. But that one also fits, because part of that "anything" is killing monsters. Edit: That said, it has a very different connotation, more like an unemployed/self-employed person looking for whatever work they can get, a freelancer. Rather than a ruthless warrior. Clarste fucked around with this message at 11:31 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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Apr 10, 2024 11:29
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Clarste posted:More literally it means "anything shop." As in, you can pay them to do anything. Which is almost exactly what "mercenary" means in English, although merc has another more literal sense as well. But that one also fits, because part of that "anything" is killing monsters. Oh this also explains the joke in Remake where a bunch of randos in Sector 7 think Cloud is literally a merchant
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Apr 10, 2024 11:34
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For what it's worth, I'm like 99% sure they only translated it as mercenary because that's how it was translated in the OG FF7, and they felt it was iconic for whatever reason.
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Apr 10, 2024 11:40
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popped into Junon undercity, and my blood pressure shot through the roof when I heard the voice of loving Rosche
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Clarste posted:For what it's worth, I'm like 99% sure they only translated it as mercenary because that's how it was translated in the OG FF7, and they felt it was iconic for whatever reason. It makes sense for a former SOLDIER anyway
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ulvir posted:popped into Junon undercity, and my blood pressure shot through the roof when I heard the voice of loving Rosche Yeah I was excited too
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Cloud is mercenary by definition regardless how it is translated because the first job he takes is attacking Shinra for money.
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RatHat posted:It makes sense for a former SOLDIER anyway Less sense for Kyrie.
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Also I really love the cast of this game to the point that when “stupid” remake only characters popped up again in this one I was like “gently caress YES they brought back these idiots” Like it has the power to go back and make you like characters everyone was complaining about. Everyone is so drat likeable no idea how they pulled this off
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WaltherFeng posted:Cloud is mercenary by definition regardless how it is translated because the first job he takes is attacking Shinra for money. I mean, whether or not he fits the description is less important than the fact that he goes around town introducing himself as one and people respond with "cool, could you go find my cat for me then?"
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I'm listening to this soundtrack and am somehow encountering stretches of multiple consecutive tracks that I don't remember hearing in game. Amazing.
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Clarste posted:I mean, whether or not he fits the description is less important than the fact that he goes around town introducing himself as one and people respond with "cool, could you go find my cat for me then?" Its perfect and the sort of absurdity the Remake tends to go for. Anyway some NPCs in the game call him "the merc that will take on any job" which is probably the closest translation they could come up with WaltherFeng fucked around with this message at 13:06 on Apr 10, 2024 |
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Perhaps you have all had very different experiences hiring mercenaries compared to me (I can't say I've ever had much cause to), but I don't necessarily think of it as a ruthless or dangerously violent phrase? For me the main meaning is "buyable loyalties person who can handle themselves in combat", which seems to work. FF14 seems to use the word "adventurer" to mean something very similar really.
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The word as an adjective means someone untrustworthy because they have no loyalty to anyone but themselves. Sure, maybe you can buy it temporarily, but you never know when a higher bidder will come along, so you can never fully trust them. That's the connotation in English anyway. Historically speaking, mercenaries are only a small step away from bandits (or rather, a bandit is a mercenary who hasn't gotten a paycheck recently).
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ulvir posted:popped into Junon undercity, and my blood pressure shot through the roof when I heard the voice of loving Rosche my heart skipped a beat and I grabbed a mirror to fix my hair
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Honestly, mercenary is a really weird word at the best of times even though it has a very specific and uncomplicated meaning; classically a mercenary is a soldier for hire without specific national allegiances. Note that already there are negative implications at work; these people don't believe on anything, they have no loyalty, they will turn on you for money, unlike normal soldiers, who are of course pillars of morality. You can use "mercenary" as an adjective of any person to suggest that they are basically only in some job for the money and have no specific loyalty to their employer or whatever. This is... kind of weird, when you think about it, because it applies to almost literally every employee of every company on earth. But almost everybody understands that when you talk about mercenaries you are talking about private military contractors and all the implications that come with that, which are almost all negative, as distinct from soldiers who are loyal to a nation state. So anyway here is a world that quite notably doesn't really have nation states anymore, where everything has been taken over by a private corporation, which actually does have an entirely private military, including a wing literally called SOLDIER, from which a former employee is distinguishing himself by calling himself a mercenary. You gotta laugh, right? It's not really wrong, because he does a soldier work in exchange for money, and Shinra is basically a nation state at this point. Nothing about the state of affairs presented is really confusing or contradictory. It's just kinda funny when you think about it. I think mercenary is a fine translation, such as it is, of whatever that specific phrase is. Cloud's just a guy with a big sword who can do stuff. I don't understand why Kyrie is set on specifically emulating Cloud when she has an extremely obviously different skillset and background. But drat, she clearly has a contact who's a talented composer. That's the real mercenary work in this setting.
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Goddamn did the game just pull FFX2’s 1000 words part 2 on me Does it always play out the same way? My date is with aerith so couldn’t tell how much they were focusing on it
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I mean, just the idea that you are willing to kill someone for money (ie: in a war you care nothing about) is already pretty sketchy. Soldiers do that too, but are theoretically patriotic and that makes it okay I guess.
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The Kyrie thing actually kind of pisses me off BC her character was part of such an interesting smattering of side quests and it felt like they knew they wanted to include her but couldn't be bothered of thinking of a storyline for her and it just got left until the last minute
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Fedule posted:I don't understand why Kyrie is set on specifically emulating Cloud when she has an extremely obviously different skillset and background. But drat, she clearly has a contact who's a talented composer. That's the real mercenary work in this setting. She seems like the sort of person who encounters somebody successfully bucking the system and says "I'm going to do what they're doing!" without understanding a thing about what that entails. She's cargo culting merc work and gets carried by her confidence and the fact that it's such a niche thing to claim to be. It would have been nice if her side story didn't kind of peter out, but it did end with a pretty cool character moment with Yuffie. And it's basically a guarantee she'll be back in part 3.
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Even Cloud probably wouldn't actually be a good merc if his friends weren't constantly pushing him to suck it up and help somebody.
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Caidin posted:Even Cloud probably wouldn't actually be a good merc if his friends weren't constantly pushing him to suck it up and help somebody. Yeah, Cloud is actually really bad at being a professional (probably because it was never actually his profession) and needs to be surrounded by beautiful women who remind him to do things like "politeness" and "accept jobs" in order to keep his business afloat. It's basically a reverse Charlie's Angels.
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Cloud wasn't much of a merc in the OG game. He does like 2 jobs for AVALANCHE before poo poo hits the fan, and the plot starts going. The Remake games keep the merc thing going just by virtue of having side quests.
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Rhonne posted:Cloud wasn't much of a merc in the OG game. He does like 2 jobs for AVALANCHE before poo poo hits the fan, and the plot starts going. The Remake games keep the merc thing going just by virtue of having side quests. That, and the increased focus on Cloud's psychological state, so that the tension between his belief that he is a professional mercenary and his complete lack of small-business-owner skills becomes more critical.
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Fedule posted:I don't understand why Kyrie is set on specifically emulating Cloud when she has an extremely obviously different skillset and background. But drat, she clearly has a contact who's a talented composer. That's the real mercenary work in this setting. When I got that Kalm sidequest to go look for the merc, I was like, 'oh man, it's gonna be Roche trying to copy his BFF!' I was utterly disappointed.
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MH Knights posted:Better have CHO! CO! BO! Just bought the digital soundtrack off of Amazon and I don't know if that one made it on there. That or the track is named something I'm not expecting and I just can't find it. 
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I love dressing up my chocobo at the chocoboutique.  It's probably the best addition.
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LadyPictureShow posted:When I got that Kalm sidequest to go look for the merc, I was like, 'oh man, it's gonna be Roche trying to copy his BFF!' Sorry but if you don’t like Kyrie’s theme song you are a soulless shell of a human Edit: I could have bought a physical copy of this game and finished it by now instead of waiting for this drat patch. Ah well, at least it gave my wife enough time with the PS5 to beat Baldur’s Gate 3.
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Roche has this grating, brash personality, but it is stolen from him by the degradation. He's a tool, but he doesn't deserve that, nobody does.  Its good writing is really what I am saying.
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deoju posted:Roche has this grating, brash personality, but it is stolen from him by the degradation. He's a tool, but he doesn't deserve that, nobody does. It's even sadder because he pretty obviously knows he's not got much time left even before he volunteers for Hojo's experiment, which to me implies he's increasingly overcompensating with this loud, bombastic persona as more and more of his identity is stolen from him, trying to feel something, anything.
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WOW the queens blood storyline really goes somewhere huh. Love this big dumb game
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Also I guess I lost cait sith for all open world stuff now? I can always beat the game and come back and do it right. Once I enter last dungeon I’m assuming I’m locked in until I finish? I still didn’t finish some of the prototelic quests, and I wanted to get some of those ultimate accessories too
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