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Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here

Deified Data posted:

I didn't even know the dragonforged existed until I was in the post-game, where the hell is he before that?

He's in a cave north of where you pick up blue crystals on the beach during the main quest.

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isk
Oct 3, 2007

You don't want me owing you

Deified Data posted:

I didn't even know the dragonforged existed until I was in the post-game, where the hell is he before that?

technically NE of Bakbattahl, in a small cave at the end of a cape, just north of Ambrosius (when you meet him during Flickering Shadows)

*edit: vvv thanks!

isk fucked around with this message at 18:08 on Apr 10, 2024

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



^ I think you mean NE

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Knowing about the postgame/NG+ mechanics now, I almost want to restart my character/pawn so I can finish the game at as low a level as possible and then level everything (esp my pawn) with the blessings you get from the Dragonforged. I wonder how much more powerful you'd be by level 80 if you did that from say level 20 as opposed to from level 60

It is weird that you only get this option halfway through NG+, when you're probably not going to be leveling much anymore, and might have stopped playing altogether.

I guess the truly insane min-maxer would start over with the xp nerf mod active until they reach him in NG+, but I'm just going to leave my pawn as is. I'm only going to start leveling her again when the equivalent to Bitterblack Isle comes out.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Apr 10, 2024

PantsBandit
Oct 26, 2007

it is both a monkey and a boombox

Deformed Church posted:

How do you not high five your pawns all the time? Just practically, they want it constantly and you will get dragged into it if you walk even vaguely near them, which is common when you've both been beating up the last guy in a fight. It's difficult to not high five them.

I'm a manlet and my pawns hands are out of reach

edit: Well whatever the cat version of a manlet is

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug
"I should switch out of archer, I have been rank 9 for a while."

*Harpy recolor immediately grabs underleveled broadsword fighter pawn that has survived the entire early trip from Vernsworth to Battahl, and throws it into the ocean for instant death while entire party fails to stop it*

God. loving. Damnit. They deserved at least a fruit snack. But yeah no wonder I sorta kinda enjoy being an archer, pawn AI is real bad at stopping that poo poo. I really, really hope dead instead of dismissed pawns still get paid :ohdear:

Section Z fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Apr 10, 2024

Sloober
Apr 1, 2011

Section Z posted:

"I should switch out of archer, I have been rank 9 for a while."

*Harpy recolor immediately grabs underleveled broadsword fighter pawn that has survived the entire early trip from Vernsworth to Battahl, and throws it into the ocean for instant death while entire party fails to stop it*

God. loving. Damnit. They deserved at least a fruit snack. But yeah no wonder I sorta kinda enjoy being an archer, pawn AI is real bad at stopping that poo poo. I really, really hope dead instead of dismissed pawns still get paid :ohdear:

it's much funnier as a thief where you can yeet them with implicate, sometimes spilling them into the very drink they are annoyingly hovering over

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Go find the dragonforged in ng+, he has a couple surprises for you :)

Well I guess I'll have to go make that trip slightly ahead of schedule! Granted I'm level 77 already so I'll just have to deal with being greatly overpowered instead of outrageously overpowered.

Benefits of a pawn with outrageously high knickknack: while doing some token hunting, an ogre jumped out at us near the Riverside Ruins. My pawn smacked it square on the nose with the tip of his sword. The ogre stumbled backwards about 20 feet across level ground, slipped off a cliff, and got brine'd. Kinda wish I'd thought to clip it in the moment.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

I don't care I'm not getting anything for it, I'm never taking the Spearhand skill that ejects goblins from reality off

Crowetron
Apr 29, 2009

RBA Starblade posted:

I don't care I'm not getting anything for it, I'm never taking the Spearhand skill that ejects goblins from reality off

Spearhand skills have dumb names so I've just been calling that one the Goblin Space Program

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

Your first move being named Dragoun’s Stabbe actually rules

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Owl Inspector posted:

Your first move being named Dragoun’s Stabbe actually rules

Extreme dungeon master energy

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Deified Data posted:

I didn't even know the dragonforged existed until I was in the post-game, where the hell is he before that?

This is weird because he’s literally part of the main quest? He and the oracle are the two people you talk to when investigation the Godsway.

Speaking of him, I started NG+ last night and the first thing I did (after getting through the intro / trip to Vernworth) was run straight to the Dragonforged to drop a portcrystal then kept going south to unlock Dwarven enhancement (and drop a crystal there too). Fun thing about this is you can now (in NG+) used the empowered blade to open the bath where you fight the colossus immediately and reach the volcanic camp that way, avoiding the dungeon on the south entirely

Magil Zeal
Nov 24, 2008

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Speaking of him, I started NG+ last night and the first thing I did (after getting through the intro / trip to Vernworth) was run straight to the Dragonforged to drop a portcrystal then kept going south to unlock Dwarven enhancement (and drop a crystal there too). Fun thing about this is you can now (in NG+) used the empowered blade to open the bath where you fight the colossus immediately and reach the volcanic camp that way, avoiding the dungeon on the south entirely

I saw a video that only the bottom part of the door has physics and you can totally levitate over the top if you start from a nearby pillar. Unless they fixed that in the recent patch.

Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Apr 10, 2024

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Happy Noodle Boy posted:

This is weird because he’s literally part of the main quest? He and the oracle are the two people you talk to when investigation the Godsway.

Speaking of him, I started NG+ last night and the first thing I did (after getting through the intro / trip to Vernworth) was run straight to the Dragonforged to drop a portcrystal then kept going south to unlock Dwarven enhancement (and drop a crystal there too). Fun thing about this is you can now (in NG+) used the empowered blade to open the bath where you fight the colossus immediately and reach the volcanic camp that way, avoiding the dungeon on the south entirely

I completed that step of the quest by talking to the oracle, after which point I was given no guidance to seek out the dragonforged.

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Magil Zeal posted:

I saw a video that only the bottom part of the door has physics and you can totally levitate over the top if you start from a nearby pillar. Unless they fixed that in the recent patch.

I tried getting over the spellseal door from the volcano side but ran into invisible walls

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Knowing about the postgame/NG+ mechanics now, I almost want to restart my character/pawn so I can finish the game at as low a level as possible and then level everything (esp my pawn) with the blessings you get from the Dragonforged. I wonder how much more powerful you'd be by level 80 if you did that from say level 20 as opposed to from level 60

I thought about this, but I decided to not touch the Dragonforged blessings until I've maxed every vocation and decided to settle on one. I think its main intended purpose is probably "a buff to the vocation you decide to settle on in the end."

I imagine it can't be *that* big of a difference. I think I only get a handful of stat points per level, so I wouldn't be surprised if the buff only amounts to like 20-30 strength/magic over 20-30 levels.

Hackan Slash
May 31, 2007
Hit it until it's not a problem anymore
The buff is probably not a big deal because there are capped base stats with a vocation adjustment. I've heard you probably hit it by level 200? There's also apparently some behind the scenes stat balancing on level ups


There's a post on gamefaqs that goes into more detail but the maximum base numbers are

|Health | Stam | Str | Def | Mag | MagDef
| 2100 | 600 | 350 | 310 | 350 | 350

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/371124-dragons-dogma-2/80739473

myDad
Jan 20, 2010

ce n'est pas ma mère
College Slice
Rushing to NG+ on a second playthrough and got an incredible goremino combo (also the blight daggers from Checkpoint Rest Town are really good!)

https://i.imgur.com/ocTeRgr.mp4

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!
I wish this game had a glamour system.

I want to continue to wear the charming corset forever. :colbert:

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Just wear it, armor barely matters

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Isn't the corset one of, if not the, best armor in the game?

NeurosisHead
Jul 22, 2007

NONONONONONONONONO
Does anything important ever come out of the escort quests you get from people with high affinity stalking you and showing up in front of your house?

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


Broken Cog posted:

Isn't the corset one of, if not the, best armor in the game?

I think most of the end game armor beats it but if you manage to get it early on its way, way better than anything else you can obtain.

NeurosisHead posted:

Does anything important ever come out of the escort quests you get from people with high affinity stalking you and showing up in front of your house?

Sara spotted me a sunstone, which was otherwise unobtainable at that point in the game.

120 RC also isn't bad, especially if it's a short trip. Elf dad asked me to escort him while I was in elf town, and it was like a 90 second walk. Sara's was similarly short.

And you aren't required to deliver them to the destination. They'll hang out with you and be an extra pawn for a game day or two, then leave on their own if it's clear you aren't going where they want to go. Obviously you only want to do this with characters that can actually fight.

Thundarr fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Apr 10, 2024

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug
Now that I am finally trying out mage personally (too poor after buying a desert house to deal with the fact I have found zero sorcerer staffs as well. At least have a passable mage staff), What is the trick to having lock on for spells to matter for large monsters?

Lock on to head of a troll or griffin or whatever, cast, and... only one levin bolt actually hits them. The rest decide to attack a useless spot nowhere near the monster. Random goblins? Lightning nuked with perfect precision. Griffin on the ground or troll in a cave? "Well gosh, it just wouldn't be fair to zap them more than once."

No wonder people love walkthrough grade sorcerer meteor. Lock on wrangling with magic has been more frustrating than manually aiming a bow.

"Would you like slow turns, AND extreme close up of your shoulders making it a bastard to aim at heads in a cave or canyon?" Locked on to a harpy? It isn't even moving? Sorry, it missed. Griffin hovering in the air preparing to run away with it's last health bar? Why did you even bother trying.

Frigor also keeps flipping between "Haha, basic enemies ragdoll. This rules" and "Am I... even dealing damage? gently caress it I'm going to manually throw this ice brick at their ankles and get visible damage on their bar at least" So that sure is not helping the gameplay feel. Maybe I should suck it up and go back to flamethrower, but I don't want to be poo poo out of luck when in the downpour canyon of minotaur chimera minutaur combo my disdain for fire magic made a lot easier on the way in.

Section Z fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Apr 10, 2024

Vargs
Mar 27, 2010

Section Z posted:

Lock on to head of a troll or griffin or whatever, cast, and... only one levin bolt actually hits them. The rest decide to attack a useless spot nowhere near the monster.

Followup attacks with Levin keep striking the same spot, so you want to cast it when your target is going to be stationary for a bit.

Thundarr
Dec 24, 2002


With Levin, keep hitting the attack button to keep zapping that original target spot (this will drain your stamina though).

Frigor will work better if cast right up against a big monster so it hits as many of their target points as possible, but mages with sketchy equipment aren't going to be doing big damage to bosses most of the time. Use Levin to keep them off balance or Halgol to slow them down so the pawns can work them over.

Section Z
Oct 1, 2008

Wait, this is the Moon.
How did I even get here?

Pillbug

Vargs posted:

Followup attacks with Levin keep striking the same spot, so you want to cast it when your target is going to be stationary for a bit.

Thundarr posted:

With Levin, keep hitting the attack button to keep zapping that original target spot (this will drain your stamina though).

Frigor will work better if cast right up against a big monster so it hits as many of their target points as possible, but mages with sketchy equipment aren't going to be doing big damage to bosses most of the time. Use Levin to keep them off balance or Halgol to slow them down so the pawns can work them over.

:eng99: This seems so obvious in hindsight, and is a real mother fucker given how even dizzy enemies love to dramatically flail around. The tiny scatter sometimes was giving me the impression it tried to track targets not actively evading, instead of "Enemy reeled in pain, now out of range".

I do love hired sorcs with Hagol, though. Thoughts of switching to sorcerer have always been sidelined by "I need to pay for a house/fighter/archer/mage not sucking-ooh! Another free warrior weapon!" But at this point everything is "Before/Looted on the way to" Battahl tier, aside from a better cross class robe. A lot easier to keep casting with defenses of almost 500 (after fighter augment) instead of barely 300. Which I got a reminder of hiring a fighter with a half decent sword and shield, getting absolutely wrecked with worse defense than the lv20 fighter that endured my long walk earlier.

Yeah, I don't feel bad buying that new robe to train up mage before getting new staffs or shields now.

Nemo2342
Nov 26, 2007

Have A Day




Nap Ghost

Section Z posted:

"I should switch out of archer, I have been rank 9 for a while."

*Harpy recolor immediately grabs underleveled broadsword fighter pawn that has survived the entire early trip from Vernsworth to Battahl, and throws it into the ocean for instant death while entire party fails to stop it*

God. loving. Damnit. They deserved at least a fruit snack. But yeah no wonder I sorta kinda enjoy being an archer, pawn AI is real bad at stopping that poo poo. I really, really hope dead instead of dismissed pawns still get paid :ohdear:

This is why I am still using my MA bow while using Warfarer to level up a bunch of other Vocations.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Oh hey, the not-Zero Punctuation review also straight up lies about microtransactions.
It's almost as if these people are just parroting each other with no fact checking.

I guess it's about time I stopped watching those.

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Jack Trades posted:

Oh hey, the not-Zero Punctuation review also straight up lies about microtransactions.
It's almost as if these people are just parroting each other with no fact checking.

I guess it's about time I stopped watching those.

Until he announced he was making his own Not ZP channel I had no idea Yahtzee was still relevant, or that anyone cared what the person who used to dress as a nazi clown actually said

What a gaffe!

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



It's why I would encourage people to write Steam reviews, even if it's a negative one, just to drown out the initial review bombing from people who hadn't played the game at all.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005

Yeah, the microtransactions are such a non-issue in this game. I'm pretty sure most large releases have significantly worse microtransactions or "digital deluxe" bonuses, and the stuff you can buy is almost completely meaningless.

The only real issue IMO is the fact you can't make multiple characters, and that's still not a huge deal (and they fixed the Objectively Bad aspect where you couldn't replace your current game - I still have no idea what the gently caress they were thinking with that).

Edit: I think the game actually does a remarkably good job of balancing the fast travel. You always seem to have enough that you can use them to avoid tedium, but not so many that you use them for trivial stuff (well, until the late game when you can trivially spend the 10k on them).

Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:54 on Apr 10, 2024

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
Honestly for a game as absurdly well balanced as it is in terms of economy, it's hilarious how unbalanced it is in terms of difficulty

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Jack Trades posted:

Oh hey, the not-Zero Punctuation review also straight up lies about microtransactions.
It's almost as if these people are just parroting each other with no fact checking.

I guess it's about time I stopped watching those.

i've only seen a single content creator i actively follow (joshua strife) actually issue a redaction and apology after the fact. i'm not unsympathetic to the relentless pressure youtube creators are under to get videos out and get ahead of the controversy to court views, but if you're not gonna do due diligence, then at least practice due courtesy and say sorry when your script is carrying water for falsehoods

Deified Data posted:

Honestly for a game as absurdly well balanced as it is in terms of economy, it's hilarious how unbalanced it is in terms of difficulty

i think they painted themselves into a corner with the overall design of the rest of the systems: making combat too challenging overall means you run the risk of the game becoming too tedious when combined with the larger map and greater frequency of backtracking, so they erred on the side of caution and let you turn your team into a wood chipper. i think the solution here would be dynamic encounter scaling, more frequent pops of increased challenge ala the garms in battahl, and more encounter randomization to help break up backtracked encounters, but that's all poo poo that costs resources, and the size of the team for this thing in comparison to what they delivered tells me they probably didn't have much wiggle room left

Vermain fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Apr 10, 2024

Mordiceius
Nov 10, 2007

If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Jack Trades posted:

Oh hey, the not-Zero Punctuation review also straight up lies about microtransactions.
It's almost as if these people are just parroting each other with no fact checking.

I guess it's about time I stopped watching those.

"Content creators" are a loving blight on the industry - well, any industry. They gotta drive clicks somehow. Hence why you'll never usually get measured takes. Everything has to be the BEST/WORST THING EVER.

General gaming content creators are bad, but the MMO ones are probably the lowest of the bunch.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Vermain posted:

i've only seen a single content creator i actively follow (joshua strife) actually issue a redaction and apology after the fact. i'm not unsympathetic to the relentless pressure youtube creators are under to get videos out and get ahead of the controversy to court views, but if you're not gonna do due diligence, then at least practice due courtesy and say sorry when your script is carrying water for falsehoods

I saw that, and I do respect Josh Strife for actually making a correction video.

I'm serious when I say I hope more people write DD2 reviews on Steam, it currently (barely) has a lower score than Starfield does, and that's just unacceptable

Owl Inspector
Sep 14, 2011

I completed 10 sphinx riddles and the giant chest is still locked. did I gently caress something up

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

Kill her

Sioux
May 30, 2006

some ghoulish parody of humanity
I just came back to Vernworth after what must be weeks ingame in the Battahl area. The charnel house is still full of the original people my pawn massacred. I found Wilhelmina in there, but I could not Wakestone anyone anymore. So I guess eventually there is a limit for the dead to be wakestoned.

Also I immediately got a quest from some dude near one ox-cart station to go pick up some noble in a carriage somewhere in Checkpoint Rest Town and another quest to investigate the phantom ox-cart . Why these quests only decided to pop-up now, after the nuking of the city and me disappearing for a few weeks, I don't know...

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The Cheshire Cat
Jun 10, 2008

Fun Shoe

Sioux posted:

I just came back to Vernworth after what must be weeks ingame in the Battahl area. The charnel house is still full of the original people my pawn massacred. I found Wilhelmina in there, but I could not Wakestone anyone anymore. So I guess eventually there is a limit for the dead to be wakestoned.

Also I immediately got a quest from some dude near one ox-cart station to go pick up some noble in a carriage somewhere in Checkpoint Rest Town and another quest to investigate the phantom ox-cart . Why these quests only decided to pop-up now, after the nuking of the city and me disappearing for a few weeks, I don't know...

Some of the quests are gated by overall story progress, where they simply won't be offered until you've already done some unrelated things. The "pick up the guy in Checkpoint Rest Town" quest though has a very specific prerequisite you have to do in Battahl first, which seems unrelated but will make sense once you actually do the quest.

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